W1 Sales levels

[Dickymint]

I'm trying to establish the current market price for the W1. In most cases there are plenty of cars for sale to use for comparable evidence but i haven't seen a W1 for sale for a while.
Mine is no 092 with approx 70k on it having had a full mechanical overhaul. Photos of all the work. Good history, all the correct bits present
Original car with no rust.Was resprayed prior to my ownership with photos.
Interior is very good.
Absolutely everything works.

Any ideas? im contemplating putting it to auction especially with the crazy prices GTi's are making.

thanks in a anticipation

[Ayli Carper]

I think the auction idea is a good one. (Was thinking of this myself.;-))

My theory is this - someone with a great big load of money in their pocket arrives to buy something like a F40, finds it goes for £100k more than they can afford, but they had/wanted/liked a Clio back in the day, and it rolls up with a reserve of £10k or something. What a bargain!

If you have two people in the room with that thought, you're on a winner because if you have that cash then £20k is still going to feel like a bargain to that kind of person. 70k is a little on the high side because that kind of person buys, or rather, invests, on mileage rather than condition, but it's probably okay.

You need the right auction Silverstone or above.

If it's exactly as you say. Original no rust condition is highly unusual.

But the answer to your question is as ever: it's only worth what someone is willing to pay. I think if you put it on the market at 10k you'd get your hand slightly bitten off, but if you put it on at 20k you'd get interest but not a massive load of offers. It's also a funny time of year.

Anyway, I don't know anything.

[ianbirch]

If it's exactly as you say. Original no rust condition is highly unusual.


Its been resprayed...

[Dickymint]

Its been resprayed...Yes. Paint not original. By original I meant unmodified and complete.

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[Danno]

I've not gone to town with advertising at this moment, but mines got 88k on the clock, needs a little work with regards to the arches and a few other bits n pieces. I'm looking at 10k ono. I've a few people interested aswell ....a few people have laughed at that price and kindly said no chance , but it's a sellers market, finding a good/excellent example is becoming increasingly difficult. It's a win win investment, whoever buys it can't loose in my opinion.

Dan

[Dickymint]

I've not gone to town with advertising at this moment, but mines got 88k on the clock, needs a little work with regards to the arches and a few other bits n pieces. I'm looking at 10k ono. I've a few people interested aswell ....a few people have laughed at that price and kindly said no chance , but it's a sellers market, finding a good/excellent example is becoming increasingly difficult. It's a win win investment, whoever buys it can't loose in my opinion.

DanCould you link to your advert please.

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[Danno]

Not done a proper advert yet, just put a post on cars for sale and had people message me etc. If mine had been as good as yours sounds, I'd have probably gone auction myself to be honest.

[Ayli Carper]

Interesting to see an original* W2 up for a plain Ebay auction at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-CLIO-WILLIAMS-2-LOW-MILEAGE-IMMACULATE-CONDITION-/272895539499?hash=item3f89d7792b:g:4q8AAOSw63FZ6mO k currently £8150 with six days to go no reserve mentioned which is refreshing. I'd say it's as roughly along the lines of your car as you can get by way of comparison (Yours W1+ that one W2--, Yours 70k- that one 49k+ or ++, yours repainted - that one Original +, so maybe add some on to yours, and potentially more in right auction on right day).

Also nice to see another broken spring on an MOT failsheet - has anyone's car NOT had a suspension spring break?

*So it says and I believe anything I read if I'm not buying it myself. I'd like to say it's the other way round when I'm buying a car but I think I go even blinder and less caveat emptor when I'm buying one than just speculating.

[Dickymint]

I'm not sure the non numbered cars have the collectability. It does look a very nice example and i hope it sells although im not a fan of non original numberplates.
Interesting to see an original* W2 up for a plain Ebay auction at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-CLIO-WILLIAMS-2-LOW-MILEAGE-IMMACULATE-CONDITION-/272895539499?hash=item3f89d7792b:g:4q8AAOSw63FZ6mO k currently £8150 with six days to go no reserve mentioned which is refreshing. I'd say it's as roughly along the lines of your car as you can get by way of comparison (Yours W1+ that one W2--, Yours 70k- that one 49k+ or ++, yours repainted - that one Original +, so maybe add some on to yours, and potentially more in right auction on right day).

Also nice to see another broken spring on an MOT failsheet - has anyone's car NOT had a suspension spring break?

*So it says and I believe anything I read if I'm not buying it myself. I'd like to say it's the other way round when I'm buying a car but I think I go even blinder and less caveat emptor when I'm buying one than just speculating.

[Ayli Carper]

I'm not sure the non numbered cars have the collectability. It does look a very nice example and i hope it sells although im not a fan of non original numberplates.

With you on the numberplates. I think you may well be right, and Ebay is the place for a W2 where it's more likely to attract someone, from a larger audience, who wants to buy it as a car. Somewhere like Silverstone is where someone would buy a W1 as an investment, from a smaller audience with a larger purse. I think they're comparable because I think the different markets could rest at similar prices. If you want a car to drive there's little to compare with a 1 and a 2, and if it's as original as it says it is (ask the people on here who have taken 'good' cars to pieces and seen what 'original' can truly mean) then that's worth a big premium over a restoration.

And as far as I remember the highest public price paid for a Williams was not for a W1.

[Ayli Carper]

So that W2 went for £9494 and on that basis the current market price (as in real money in your pocket after selling it) for yours is around £10k in my opinion. More if you held out and/or got lucky, less if you were in a hurry. Not a good time of year to sell really.

[northy]

Have a look through the williams register. There are a few cars that you can track going from what was a 2 - 3k car that is now up at 8 - 10k due to the demand rising.

What was the highest price paid for a williams Ayli ?

[mrodz]

There was that W2 at 4star classics for 15k GBP.

Several cars in Europe have gone for 25+k EUR at auction.

http://www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=3118++++++90+&refno=10591062
https://www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=3117%20%20%20%20%20156%2 0&refno=10581239

[Ayli Carper]

26k Euros, in February 2017, for a 22k km W1 in absolutely original condition, is very very different to a 70k miles W1 which has been repainted in Autumn 2017. If 0014 came on the market I wouldn't price it at less than £30k. Very different cars.

I'm not sure how the European market is - more LHD cars sold, larger potential market, who knows?

The 4star W2 and this Ebay one show, I think, a current greater acceptance of the W2 than you might expect. After all, you wouldn't go to the trouble of mocking up a 16V and passing it off as a W2, you'd go the whole hog and make it a W1 and stick an outrageous price on it. And I think that at the moment there are more drivers than investors buying them, partially because of the nervousness inherent in investors about getting ripped off. (More fool them, I say.)

The OP asked for an opinion on price, at the moment, and I'd stick by my tracking that Ebay auction as fairly close to the realisable price for his car as described. In the long term the W1 will be 'the one', but I think it's a little simplistic to say that now, as well as being rather sad.

Personally I think it's unlikely they'll be a real classic car hit in the foreseeable future, but that is my opinion, and also in a way a hope. People don't drive investments.

[mrodz]

Ayli, have a look at the two links I pasted. 26k EUR is not the record.

The first link is the "absolutely" original W1 you mention - which I wouldn't call absolutely original. The gold filled bump strips, the incorrect Williams stickers, the additional Renault badge and 16S boot strip on the boot. Really don't know why these easy to fix changes weren't fixed prior to the auction. Think it could have gone for more.

The second link is a W2, which looks to be more "absolutely original" and, despite 10k km more and being a W2 (albeit one of the numbered ones), went for more than the W1, at 27.4k EUR (Oct 2016).


Also - wonder how much Renault UK paid to get 0001 back :)

[ianbirch]

A couple of very good W2 or W3 sold for over 20K at Classic Cars or Fast Classics....i thought I had kept a pic but couldn't locate it.

I'm sure Northy would remember these...maybe a couple of years ago now.

Regards Ian

[16v_paddy]

The highest I've seen is the 2 W2's that sold for £22k & £24k about 2 years ago now.

There's a couple of threads on here about them iirc, 1 of those cars was bought at auction for £16k after fees etc before being sold on for 22 or 24k - can't quite remember which off the top of my head

[northy]

i was just wondering if i had missed any - but the Williams 2 & 3 were the highest ones i have seen for sale for a while.

Paying 20k for a Williams in a few years will seam cheap guys lol

[S.Edmonds]

How are Williams 2 & 3's going for more than the Williams 1? That doesn't make sense.

Do you think that's because there are more of those going for sale in the recent market, and those with Williams 1's are sitting tight?

[Dickymint]

has anyone seen a W1 sold?

[ianbirch]

How are Williams 2 & 3's going for more than the Williams 1? That doesn't make sense.

Do you think that's because there are more of those going for sale in the recent market, and those with Williams 1's are sitting tight?

No W1 have come up for sale in the same condition.

Regards Ian

[16v_paddy]

I think the W2's & 3's that have sold for good money have done so because of almost no W1's being on the market so perhaps some people have been prepared to settle for what they can get rather than what they'd really want :dontknow: