Inner and outer sills and archs

[Woody_clio]

Can anyone point me in the direction of getting both inner and outer sills for both sides and both archs.just bought a Williams 2 and needs plenty of welding to save it but I work in a bodyshop and not scared of loads of work if it means saving another Williams

Any help greatly appreciated,I know you can't get flared archs but what's the alternative

[16v_paddy]

The alternative is to shape the non flared arches with good old fashioned panel beating skills, the best place most people have used is http://www.carz2.co.uk/renault-16473-c.asp

[Woody_clio]

Great thanks mate I'm a beater myself so the arches will be good shaped with a standard panel.inly thing I can't find is inner sills but I'll try and make some if not

[PhilW]

Once you remove the outer sills you will see that the inner sills are dead easy to re-create. You dont need to buy replacement sections 👍

[Woody_clio]

Thanks Phil I'm actually a panel beater myself but been years since I've fabricated anything lol.do you know if I make the rear archs where they attach to the outer quater once I've flared the new sections.i don't think the quarters are folded over the inner arch and I'd like to make it as good as possible.also where does the flare start and end on the archs as I have the repair panels for the standard clio.

Cheers in advance

[PhilW]

The best way that I can help you is by locating some measurements that I took of the original sill flair before I took it off the car.
you could use these to recreate the end of sill correctly.
I'll have a look now and see if I can find them on my ipad, I'm feeling a bit rough and need to get my head down so if I cant locate it in the next few minutes I'll post tomorrow.

[PhilW]

OK, I found them.
You may need to print these out so you can work out my logic (It makes sense to me).
I took all these measurements from original bodywork and as you will see I measured from the bottom of the swage line to the vertical point of the sill lip.
http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8569&stc=1

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8570&stc=1

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8571&stc=1

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8572&stc=1

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8573&stc=1

I hope that this helps 👍

[PhilW]

Looking at the drawings after posting, I would ignore the first one and go with the more detailed measurements which I did in steps.

[Woody_clio]

That is spot on mate I really appreciate that that will help me perfectly,I'm gonna fit the whole sills and as much of the repair arches as possible.really appreciate that mate top man

The front is quite rotten too and inner archs etc so it's got a hell of a lot of work to be done probably not worth it but the work will be done myself and I'd rather save another Williams than break it for parts

[PhilW]

The front of the sill is as per the MK1 Clio std sill, so no problem for you.
As mentioned above, the inner sill is an easy fix.

[16v_paddy]

Watch out if you're using the full sill as it will be a non-16v item so isn't the same length

[PhilW]

Watch out if you're using the full sill as it will be a non-16v item so isn't the same length

Good point, well made 😀

[Woody_clio]

I meant the front part of the car behind the headlights etc but That's great mate I'm gonna be fitting 2 complete new sills so chopping them and using ur measurements will be perfect,also gonna fit 2 complete arch repair panels.the car has had 2 new sills and 2 new archs done in the last year by what can only be described as stevie wonders first day at panel beating

Car is a right mess but because of the lack of projects for sale and the rise in value I thought I'd save this one,looking forward to the many surprises in rot I find along the way but will try and post pics and progress for anyone interested

I'll also get some pics of the current sills and archs that some moron has fitted and he owned a bodyshop apparently.

[Woody_clio]

Will the non 16v/Williams sill just need cutting down and matching the rear arch,is there any resto threads available so I can see what the work is involved in modifing the poverty spec arch and poverty sill panel

[16v_paddy]

the car has had 2 new sills and 2 new archs done in the last year by what can only be described as stevie wonders first day at panel beating

he owned a bodyshop apparently.

I wonder if the same guy did the arches & sills on my Valver :lol:

The non-16v sills are longer is all so just a simple case of cutting them down

[Woody_clio]

It could well have been the same guy :shock: the guy I got the car off paid £1000 for the work as well it's shocking

Have you still got your valver paddy,any pics always loved a valver especially the turbine wheels

[16v_paddy]

Oh I've still got it, that's not leaving my posession until I'm dead :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/VUFvyHa.jpg

[Woody_clio]

Lovely looking example and I've not seen many in that steel grey sort of color,what's that lurking in the garage looks a tasty track car 8-)

[16v_paddy]

Lovely looking example and I've not seen many in that steel grey sort of color,what's that lurking in the garage looks a tasty track car 8-)

It's lovely as long as you don't look closely :lol: It's original (apart from the arches & sills that have been done 3 times :roll: ) only 1 old lady owner since it was 6 months old which is the main reason I wanted it.

Yeah it is a tasty track car, overbored & high comp Williams block with forged rods, megane head, piper 300 cams with uprated valve springs & retainers, solid lifters, 172 gearbox with gripper diff, wilwood 4 pts with 300mm discs. It's only 225bhp atm but ready to go back to EFI Parts for some more mapping as there were a few issues limiting what could be done since it got rebuilt. The old setup was 240bhp on milder cams but that blew up at Castle Combe back in 2014

I've got a build thread on here but the photos are now useless with photobucket stopping their 3rd party image hosting :evil:

Here's the 2 together in the paddock at Donington

https://i.imgur.com/MGVTYOJ.jpg

[Woody_clio]

I know what you mean this Williams I've got is on its second set of sills and arches and I'm about to put the 3Rd on but fo it properly this time:neutral:

I'll have to check that build thread out looks a quality motor that I bet don't hang about,225bhp in a car that light is more than enough bet not much kept uo with that

[16v_paddy]

There's more to come from it yet :lol:

[Woody_clio]

I'll look forward to seeing what's to come from it and keep a close eye on its progress 8-)

[bauderline]

It's lovely as long as you don't look closely :lol: It's original (apart from the arches & sills that have been done 3 times :roll: ) only 1 old lady owner since it was 6 months old which is the main reason I wanted it.

Yeah it is a tasty track car, overbored & high comp Williams block with forged rods, megane head, piper 300 cams with uprated valve springs & retainers, solid lifters, 172 gearbox with gripper diff, wilwood 4 pts with 300mm discs. It's only 225bhp atm but ready to go back to EFI Parts for some more mapping as there were a few issues limiting what could be done since it got rebuilt. The old setup was 240bhp on milder cams but that blew up at Castle Combe back in 2014

I've got a build thread on here but the photos are now useless with photobucket stopping their 3rd party image hosting :evil:

Here's the 2 together in the paddock at Donington

https://i.imgur.com/MGVTYOJ.jpg

As mentioned on FB if you right click on the photobucket blank image and select open in new tab you can see the original image. It's a royal PITA but handy if you want to look at a specific image.