Upgrade/Rebuild List - sanity check!

[Imperial_16v]

Hello all.

Following on from my brief introduction here http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41240 please see my rebuild list below which I've compiled. But I need some help with some parts. Also, is there anything I could do cheaper without sacrificing quality, etc? (Parts in bold are my questions).


Clio Williams - Rebuild
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Brakes (Front)
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KTR Big Brake Kit 285mm - £233.83 inc. VAT

Uprated Front Pads - EBC Redstuff - which part no. to fit bigger carriers?

Brakes (Rear)
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KTR Fast Road Rear Kit (inc. Wheel Bearings) (ABS Model) - £151.58 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=200&appid=1)

Uprated Rear Pads - EBC Redstuff DP3983C - £41.33 inc. VAT
(http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m31b0s3075p17745)

Braided Brake Lines (Set of 4) - £57.58 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=204&appid=1)

Brakes (Misc)
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Carbone Lorraine Dot 4 Brake Fluid (500ml) - £14.10 (x3) - £42.30 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2947&appid=1)

Handbrake Cable (731RE0080) Clio 16v/ABS - £8.80 inc. VAT
(http://www.gsfcarparts.com/index.asp)

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TOTAL = £535.42
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Tyres
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185/55/15R -> oversize and change to 195/50/15 - Uniroyal Rainsport 2 - £35.10 (x4) inc. VAT
(http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m53b0s99p60615)

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TOTAL = £140.40
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Engine
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6l Motul 6100 Synergie 10w-40 + UFI 23.418.00 Filter (service Kit) - £40.06 inc. VAT
(http://www.opieoils.co.uk/product-finder/car/engine-oil/renault/1995/clio/PETROL/clio/27049/product-finder-2.aspx)

UFI Fuel Filter 31.500.00 - £8.11 inc. VAT
(http://www.opieoils.co.uk/product-finder/car/engine-oil/renault/1995/clio/PETROL/clio/27049/product-finder-2.aspx)

Cambelt & Tensioner Kit - £116.33 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1748&catid=5&appid=1&pic=1)

Aux. Belt / Fan Belt - £13.99 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-CLIO-WILLIAMS-2-0i-Alternator-Fan-Drive-Belt-/180492191075?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a062c4563)

Distributor Cap & Rotor Arm - £44.65 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1426&appid=1)

Denso Iridium Spark Plugs (IK20) - £37.98 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-X-DENSO-IK20-IRIDIUM-POWER-SPARK-PLUG-SET-PERFORMANCE-/150526837299?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item230c194233)

Magnecor KV85 Leads - £75.41 inc. VAT
(http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detprod.asp?productcode=MGN4552&PID=162679)

Piper Cams (Stage 1) - £246.75 inc. VAT (Exchange basis, refundable surcharge)
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=178&appid=1)

Piper Vernier Pulley - £222.08 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=460&appid=1)

Piper Competition Cam Belt (TBP16) - £46.00 inc. VAT
(http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=TBP16)

Piper Valve Spring & Spring Kit (VDSMEG) - £234.00 inc. VAT
(http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=VDSMEG)

Hydraulic Lifters/Followers (set of 16) - £62.50 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-HYDRAULIC-LIFTERS-F7R-F7P-CLIO-WILLIAMS-MEGANE-/380193051396?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5885459304)

Head Gasket Set - £81.08 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=191&appid=1)

Head Bolts (set of 10) - £44.65 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=193&appid=1)

Low Temp Fan Switch - £17.63 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2356&appid=1)

KTR Uprated Engine & Gearbox Mounts - £183.30 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2958&catid=5&appid=1&pic=5)

Water Pump (inc. Gasket) - £19.50 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-CLIO-WILLIAMS-1-8-2-0-16V-1-9-DTI-WATER-PUMP-/110620310539?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19c17bfc0b)

Lucas Alternator (Part No: 401745091) - £160.98 inc. VAT
(http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Renault_Clio_2.0_1995/p/car-parts/car-electrics-and-car-lighting/electrical/alternator/?

401745091&1&4f1d32b21e3db3c3aef8634f1c104be17ba50d80&ALTR)

Starter Motor (9 teeth) - £91.99 inc. VAT (9 or 11 teeth?)
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Starter-Motor-Renault-Clio-2-0i-16v-Williams-06-94-04-/190351577237?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c51d69095)

Powertec Stainless Filter (PT33-10) - £97.82 inc. VAT
(http://www.ruderacing.co.uk/Air_Filters_/_Induction_Kits-Induction_Kits-Renault_Induction_Kits-Renault_Clio_Mk1_(1991-98)_Induction_Kits-Renault_Clio_Mk1_

(2.0)_Induction_Kits/c1_5842_5937_6149_6153/p45920/Powertec_SL1_Air_Induction_Kit_for_Renault_Clio_Mk 1_2.0_(16v)_[PT33-10]/product_info.html)

Stainless Air Filter Heat Shield (140mm long) - £9.99 inc. VAT
(http://www.ruderacing.co.uk/p72090/Stainless_Steel_Air_Filter_Heat_Shield/product_info.html)

Samco Hoses (Main Coolant / Oil Breather / Ancillary) Red - £369.00 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=215&appid=1)

Remap - £? how much

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TOTAL = £2,223.80
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Exhaust
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Ashley Competition Mild Steel 3" Round Tip (ARTS10) - £169.65 inc. VAT
(http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detprod.asp?productcode=ASH-ARTS10&PID=363093)

KTR Sports Cat - £264.38 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2036&catid=8&appid=1&pic=1)

KTR Mild Steel Manifold - £233.83 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=380&catid=8&appid=1&pic=7)

Manifold Exhaust Wrap - ? what size? what amount? necessary?

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TOTAL = £667.41
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Suspension
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Apex Suspension Kit (-30mm) - £268.59 inc. VAT
(http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detprod.asp?productcode=SP150-4010-40&PID=436276)

Powerflex Poly Bush Kit (Wishbone & Antiroll bar) Set of 8 - £101.05 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2207&appid=1)

Powerflex Uprated Lower Engine Mount Bushes - £34.08 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2518&appid=1)

OMP Strut Brace - £POA
(http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detprod.asp?productcode=O-MA/1672&PID=262335)

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TOTAL = £403.72
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Transmission
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Group N Spec Uprated Clutch Kit - £152.75 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=197&appid=1)

Clutch Cable - £? where from? part no?

Accelerator Cable - £9.60 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-CLIO-91-98-ACCELERATOR-CABLE-OE-QUALITY-/120631603198?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c16342ffe)

KTR Short Throw Gearlever - £175.08 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=198&catid=16&appid=1&pic=1)

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TOTAL = £337.43
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Interior
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Flocked Dash - £?

Custom Car Mats (Blue, white edge, 16v motif, heel plate) - £70.00 inc. VAT
(http://www.autostyle.co.uk)


Sound System
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Pioneer DEH-6200BT Tuner (CD/MP3/Bluetooth) 50wx4 - £134.99
(http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/25/121/61/DEH-6200BT/index.html)
(http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/12973.html)

Speakers (Front Dash) Pioneer TS-1002i - £25.99 inc. VAT
(http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-1002i/index.html)
(http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/10873.html)

Speakers (Rear Shelf) Pioneer TS-E6902i - £99.99 inc. VAT
(http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-E6902i/index.html)
(http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8022.html)

Speakers (Door) 10cm? 13cm? - £? what size are the door speakers?

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TOTAL = £260.97
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Exterior
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Body work - £?

Alloy Wheel refurb - £?


Misc
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Valeo Twin Pack (R45) Universal Flat Wiper Blades (18") - £14.70 inc. VAT
(http://www.wiperblades.co.uk/products/detail/valeo-compact-revolution-retrofit-flat-wiper-blade-1-and-valeo-compact-revolution-retrofit-flat-wiper-blade-1-

twin-pack/)

Main Beam (H4 472) Philips X-Treme Power - £22.25 inc. VAT
(http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=43)

Front Fog (H1 448) Philips X-Treme Power - £22.50 inc. VAT
(http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=160)

Clifford G5 Concept 650 MkII Thatcham Cat1 Alarm System - £?

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TOTAL = £59.45
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GRAND TOTAL = £4,628.60
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I guess the main questions are the teeth on the starter motor and also the clutch cable. But any help, pointers, mistakes, changes please let me know your thoughts. :)

Thanks for reading!

[stevie_b]

Having just done the brakes on mine I can tell you that you can get Goodridge braided brake lines on a well known auction site for a bit less than on your list. Also the brake fluid you put seemed expensive - Castrol SRF is the best I am aware of, with its only downside being its cost, and even that looks on a par with what you posted. You won't need 1.5 litres - I reckon you could just about do a change with 500ml but if you buy 1 litre it will be more than enough.

[16v_paddy]

EBC redstuff pads are utter utter shite!! Avoid like the plague.

No point "urgrading" the rear brakes as they do next to sod all, new OE stuff will be more than adequate & quite a bit cheaper I should think

Don't waste your money on the k-tec big brake stuff, rip-off price tbh, buy these http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2351805.htm and get some OE 172 discs - 280mm iirc - will probably bring the cost of pads down a bit as well :wink:

In fact most of the stuff from k-tec is the same as what you can get elsewhere without their mark up added to the price

Get the clutch cable from renault only, can't find the part number but I expect it to cost £30-40

[MatBrown]

Acko was selling a KTR big brake kit.


Mat.

[Imperial_16v]

Thanks for the replies, exactly what I was after. :wink:

I'll set about getting the list changed and will post up a new one.

Cheers!

[Imperial_16v]

Ok, re-worked the brake list just quickly. Managed to knock off over £80 with your help so far and hopefully, not skimp on the quality. I have left the KTR kit in and also 1.5l of brake fluid for now. See below, for the new brake list:-

Brakes (Front)
KTR Big Brake Kit 285mm - £233.83 inc. VAT
(http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=201&appid=1)

Uprated Front Pads (DS2500) - £?

Front Wheel Bearings - £? ABS? (Ebay)

Brakes (Rear)
EBC Plain Rear Brake Discs - £61.99 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBC-BRAKE-DISCS-REAR-RENAULT-Clio-2-0-16v-Williams-93-9-/190419482206?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c55e2b65e)

Ferodo DS2500 Pads (FCP558H) Bendix - £70.41 inc. VAT
(http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/detprod.asp?productcode=FCP558H&PID=1096847)

Rear Wheel Bearings - £? ABS? (Ebay seems cheapest £10 - £20)

Goodridge Braided Brake Lines (Set of 4) - £43.95 inc. VAT
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Goodridge-Braided-Brake-Hoses-Renault-Clio-Mk1-16V-/190398693949?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c54a5823d)

Brakes (Misc)
Motul RBF600 Dot 4 Brake Fluid (500ml) - £11.35 (x3) - £34.05 inc. VAT
(http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b0s4403p57244)

Handbrake Cable (731RE0080) Clio 16v/ABS - £8.80 inc. VAT
(http://www.gsfcarparts.com/index.asp)

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TOTAL = £453.03 - £82.39 saved.
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[stevie_b]

Rear brakes are the same as Clio 172/182 iirc, so if you search for them too you should find more options and even cheaper - I found a pair of EBC ones just now for ~£50. There are also a few 'package deals' around that include the bearings already pressed in (worthwhile I would think), and pads too if they meet your requirement (didn't notice any that included the DS2500's though)

[MatBrown]

Standard rears are fine and you only need to worry about ABS if you get a willy 3.
http://www.renaultpartsdirect.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=288&category_id=51&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
£112 posted for discs, pads and bearings.

[Imperial_16v]

:D

Thanks again, had no idea that 172/182 rear brakes were the same, cheers for the info. Yeah it would be ideal to get the bearings in as well at the same time.

Thanks for the link Mat, they look spot on and saving me more money. ABS = Willy 3; noted.

Do you chaps know about the teeth on the Starter Motor? Seems that you can get 9 or 11. Is it a case of whip out the unit installed and count them as it can vary?

Managed to save some more money, also found the head gasket set on eBay and the cambelt kit. Result.

[stevie_b]

I know the number of teeth can vary. As for whether they are interchangeable or need to be replaced like for like I'm afraid I don't know - I'm sure someone much more knowledgeable (Matt :wink: ) will be back along in a minute to assist... But you can't go wrong counting what you have and replacing it with the same of course, as you suggested.

[MatBrown]

:D

Thanks again, had no idea that 172/182 rear brakes were the same, cheers for the info. Yeah it would be ideal to get the bearings in as well at the same time.

Thanks for the link Mat, they look spot on and saving me more money. ABS = Willy 3; noted.

Do you chaps know about the teeth on the Starter Motor? Seems that you can get 9 or 11. Is it a case of whip out the unit installed and count them as it can vary?

Managed to save some more money, also found the head gasket set on eBay and the cambelt kit. Result.

Starter motor is usually 9 teeth on the williams.
Check the place i linked you to for the gasket set and cambelt kit, good price for genuine stuff.


Mat.

[MatBrown]

http://www.renaultpartsdirect.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&category_id=121&page=shop.browse&limitstart=0&limit=50

Renault Clio Williams Fuel Filter (Motrio) Everyday: £7.71
Renault Clio Williams Cam Belt Kit Everyday: £81.78
Renault Clio Williams Alternator Belt Everyday: £14.49
Renault Clio Williams Engine Seal Kit Everyday: £78.41
Renault Clio Williams Alternator Everyday: £119.38
Renault Clio Williams Starter Motor Everyday: £111.86
Renault Clio Williams Clutch Kit Everyday: £82.24
Renault Clio Williams Clutch Cable Everyday: £23.99


Mat.

[MatBrown]

Williams 1 and 2 shouldn't have door speakers, only came on the 3.
Wheel refurb is £360 from Pristine, do one of the best jobs.


Mat.

[MatBrown]

Dizzy cap and rotor can be had from GSF as can standard spark plugs NGK BKR6EK.


Mat.

[MatBrown]

KV85 leads won't fit into the tray very well, 8mm are a push.


Mat.

[Imperial_16v]

Wow, excellent, again thanks for the help. :D I'll look at making some amendments.

Just formatted this all into a lovely Word document, well pleased with myself. lol. :lol:

Hopefully, this should be attached and uploaded to this post. Easier to read than a notepad file, if people want to have a quick look through.

Cheers.
James

[kj16v]

...Remap - £? how much...

Remap: Just £150 - from me! :D I can also time-in your cams on the dyno for best performance. See my ad for more info:

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=393987#393987

[Imperial_16v]

...Remap - £? how much...

Remap: Just £150 - from me! :D I can also time-in your cams on the dyno for best performance. See my ad for more info:

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=393987#393987

Thanks for the post, I will keep you in mind! Where abouts are you located roughly?

Can I ask a question, would the car be "runnable" and "driveable" with the cams in and not setup correctly? (Just thinking if I fitted them, but then had to drive to get them setup correctly, would that be unwise).

Thanks.

[kj16v]

The car should be driveable as long as you get the cam timing within the right ballpark. If you get the timing to far out then the car won't idle.

If you can, or know someone who can do it for you, time them according to the manufacturers' specs. This will get the timing very close.

And most importantly: make sure you turn the engine over by hand to check the valves don't hit the pistons before you run the engine!

If you need any more info feel free to PM me or txt/tel: 079003 24331 any time.

[Imperial_16v]

The car should be driveable as long as you get the cam timing within the right ballpark. If you get the timing to far out then the car won't idle.

If you can, or know someone who can do it for you, time them according to the manufacturers' specs. This will get the timing very close.

And most importantly: make sure you turn the engine over by hand to check the valves don't hit the pistons before you run the engine!

If you need any more info feel free to PM me or txt/tel: 079003 24331 any time.

Thanks for the info, will do. :D