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ThRaXaIR
15-06-2010, 19:40
im at the of my tether with this car know..its being sold if it continues.
but for now.... on returning home from track yesterday my supersprint downpipe sheared straight off at the flexi joint. can this be rewelded or is it Fubar'd?
i'll get a photo...
LEIGH-ANNE
15-06-2010, 20:05
Glad u made it home! at least....
Good luck with this :(
:shock: is this the stainless one?
ThRaXaIR
15-06-2010, 21:13
just one thing after another lately. i could hear it going on the way home leigh-anne then just as it went in the barn..it toally fell off, so yeh good timing! and yes its stainless. had to get my bro to take photos cos im away and to be fair his iphone was not upto it but hopefully you can make out the severed flexijoint. so can the flange be welded back on?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x223/JingosLingo/IMG_0046.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x223/JingosLingo/IMG_0044.jpg
LEIGH-ANNE
15-06-2010, 21:15
i reckon that was the noise as we were going around
hahaha supercrack f t w!!!
Can be welded mate.
Clio-Girl
15-06-2010, 23:46
mines snapped on 2 occasions, had it welded both times and its been fine for ages now **touch wood**
and 'end of your tether' and 'sell the car' dont be a muppet :wink: :lol:
i've had mine welded twice already, and its now in need of welding a third time... mine always goes at the manifold flange to head.
needs a "proper" flexi joint putting in. i.e. one of those braided jobbies.
Can you buy these felxijoints? Is it a case of just cutting some pipe and welding it in or is the flexi thing that spring on the flange????
yeah might be worth taking it too or phoning a custom exhaust centre powerflow etc and askng them to modify it with a flexible section..
what dog bone are you using and what are the condition of your engine mounts
Can be tig welded easily mate.
Clio exhausts are pretty crap in that respect. They've got just one hanger at the rear holding up the entire system. Not good enough.
I noticed when I was mapping your car that the exhaust vibrates. That's probably what caused the stress fracture. The ideal solution would be to get another hanger welded to the chassis to take the weight at the front of the exhaust system, by the decat.
BTW besides all the other non-related problems :) you still enjoying the car post-remap?
you can get it welded in a custom zorst shop and it needs
to be welded with s/s wire setup .
but it will snap again from the weakest point , best is to
get a proper length of flexi joint and get them welded in between .
however i would personally fit the flexi section on the vertical
axis ( downpipe )
cause when the engine moves back and forward along with the exhaust system you need the down pipe to flex and not carry the impact
along the rest of the system imo .
thought williams had a centre hanger by the decat..
... best is to
get a proper length of flexi joint and get them welded in between .
however i would personally fit the flexi section on the vertical
axis ( downpipe ) ...
That would be perfect but unfortunately it can't be done on Clio downpipes because of the layout of the tubes.
When I fabricated my Turbo downpipe I put a very short flexi joint on the horizontal part just before the cat' flange.
I wont be running a dogbone on mine coz my engine is going to be fully subframe mounted. All the mounts will be new so i think i might not have any trouble but i still want to put one in just for piece of mind.
Also the williams has got a centre hanger by the decat. GLP has one ;)
... best is to
get a proper length of flexi joint and get them welded in between .
however i would personally fit the flexi section on the vertical
axis ( downpipe ) ...
That would be perfect but unfortunately it can't be done on Clio downpipes because of the layout of the tubes.
When I fabricated my Turbo downpipe I put a very short flexi joint on the horizontal part just before the cat' flange.
i thought williams had a single tube at the downpipe ? no ??
or was that the meggy downpipe ?
ThRaXaIR
16-06-2010, 19:50
ok so where can i source a flexi joint from that can be fitted to the supersprint? surely powerflow wont have something off the shelf?
Justin..
16-06-2010, 19:57
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=exhaust+flexi+&_cqr=true&_nkwusc=exhuast+flexi&_rdc=1
LOADS on ebay
ThRaXaIR
16-06-2010, 20:14
ah that is spot on justin, didnt know such a thing existed. ok so what happens with this.... get my decat cut in two and get this fitted? i wouldnt of thought it would fit on my downpipe?
Justin..
16-06-2010, 21:45
any pics of down pipe?
ThRaXaIR
16-06-2010, 21:52
not till weekend when i remove it. keep u posted.
few pics of my supersprint which i had to modify last month due to the shitty std clamps not sealing properly causing the manifold to leak :roll: anyway some pics... not sure if there is room for a added flexi section?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/005.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/002.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/007.jpg
ThRaXaIR
17-06-2010, 17:33
jay, what have you done? :lol: i see the two joints on the downpipe but...what do they do? somesort of flexing device? :?
cheers
hmm my mild steel one has the same tiny clamps on,do they leak bad then?
haha bit butchered is'nt it lol :D anyway as u can see in the top pic the original clamps were a little worse for wear with one of the screw bits snapping along with the bracket that holds the dp to the top half :roll: this meant the dp started to work its way off the top half with all the vibrations etc. i decided to use some mikalor clamps ( things in pics u see ) to secure the dp on but the original clamps/bracket were in the way and would not let the clamps go all the way up to the split where it was leaking. i decided as they were ****ed anyway id cut them off to get the clamps on properly., done that and its been ok so far but im not happy with it and am on the hunt for a new downpipe. i emailed supersprint yesterday to see if they would sell me a new dp, didn't think id get a reply but got this today :D
me:
hello, i need a new down pipe for the supersprint manifold 871101. is it possible to order this part on its own ? my has broken and has started to leak but i dont need the top half that connects to the exhaust ports, its the bottom half that connects to the cat that i need.
i look forward to hearing form you :)
jay.
supersprint:
Hello Jay,
We believe that you are referring to the 2-1, downpipe section of the 87.11.01 manifold.
Also, do you need the small, outlet flange and the pressure springs&sealing ring / mounting kit?
Please confirm.
Best Regards
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
:D seems like they do sell them on there own , fingers crossed. I'll let you know what he says
ThRaXaIR
18-06-2010, 18:51
o hello sailor, supersprint now do a flexi flange ( :shock: ) thing???
group buy? ;)
Clio-Girl
18-06-2010, 20:26
i need one to, a flexi thingy!!
hmm just got this back, wonder if they will still repair it even if ive cut off the original clamps lol. i'll give it a try as it can't be to hard for them to weld new clamps on....
Hello Jay,
Unfortunately, we have no replacement parts available at the moment, and we are not planning to manufacture a new production batch on these items.
However, I believe that your damaged downpipe can be repaired, by our crew.
If you send it back to our Factory in Italy, we will fix it for you, free of charge, and make sure that its original shape is still retained.
We will test fit it on its original welding jig, and make the corrections, if needed.
We will make the repair within a couple days from its arrival, and send it back to you, immediately after.
Let me know if this can be done.
Best Regards
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
ThRaXaIR
18-06-2010, 22:51
hmm that sounds interesting!! can u send the e-mail of this guy my way please. shall i mention you? as im sure they know its a design fault by now!
i originally used the "request info" button on the supersprint website and i got a reply within 24hrs. he has then used : alessandro.gilli@supersprint.com to further contact me.
im gonna be sending mine back to get repaired properly, just need to dig out a old valver manifold and knock it together for the time being :D
ThRaXaIR
19-06-2010, 09:47
cool i've dropped them an e-mail. :D
just a little update on my behalf :D (thraxair: did u send yours back ?)
sent my downpipe back to supersprint last week and while on the way to apd this morning i get a phone call (hands free of course) saying i have a delivery from Supersprint waiting at home.
cracked it open and couldn't quite believe it was my old pipe, looks stunning now :shock: any idea how i get the top half top half the same mirror finish lol ?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/001-2.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/005-1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/006-1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/003-1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/009.jpg
MatBrown
17-07-2010, 08:08
Can't moan at that.
Mat.
ThRaXaIR
17-07-2010, 10:59
yeh the SOB's never replied!
thrax try contacting them through this : http://www.supersprint.com/eng/inc_prodotti_popup_richiedi.asp?C=6425-9234 don't give up as they will reply. also may be worth telling them a friend has just had his repaired by them. you want the same etc :D btw the repair is foc you just need to pay for delivery to them, i used dhl and it cost £20 :D
Looks like an amazing job Jay...sounds like the Clio is finally coming together exactly how you want it again :)
May be tempted to get myself a Supersprint as well...
tbh mate..would go for the devil 4-2-1 over the supersprint....mild steel instead of stainless...but lots less hassle i would imagine.
There always seems to be no end of problems with off the shelf after market manifolds, I'd be tempted to go the custom route myself. In fact I may be doing just that if I can't get mine welded
again mate. there is 1 that had a custom 4-2-1 s/s zorst made many years ago..lovely looking piece of kit. but .....forever snapping, getting re-welded, snapping, getting re-welded. etc etc etc. so much so that the lad has now cut his losses and gone back to standard. was a pain in the arse to remove/re-fit too. always caused me hassle.
as above...if your going for an aftermarket mani and want a 4-2-1.....its gotta be the devil imho...as used by the works cars.
thing is mine was fine for a good 50k before it started to leak... when it did start to **** about i had a look for a new manifold and was quickly put off by the price of the devil manifold at £500 odd :( http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reichhard-motorsport.com&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools , also think northy had some problems with a devil or may of been his prowler one **** knows lol. What i will say is the Supersprint offers a noticable performance gain over a HEAVY RESTRICTIVE pos valver manifold that ive been using the last 2 weeks :lol:
bring back edit button ffs :(
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northy never had a devil zorst mate....was his prowler that caused probs..
I've just bought the stainless steel one from K-tec at £351 but the mild steel is £233. Fine so far but notice the standard manifld has a support bracket half way down where as the after market doesn't incorporate this, not too keen on the manifold to engine fixing supporting half the exhaust!
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=380&appid=1
the reason they crack is down to the manifold not being braced in the same place as the standard manifold - ive lost count of the amount of times i have said this.
Mine cracked on a Blueflame remade section as my original Prowler one was too short.
JAY - Is that the same down pipe that you got back as what you sent ?
Has anyone ever been in touch with Ktec to tell them this? Seems a really bad design flaw.
Northy: yep exactly the same pipe as i sent away, they did a excellent job on the repair and is for now back to normal and not leaking :D ( i also forgot how good the car sounds with it on, sooo much drama and noise from the exh with it fitted :lol: )
tommo: ktec dont make them afaik, they just order them in from supersprint. not sure about the mild steel versions tho....
walters300
22-07-2010, 22:01
i always get suprised when i see this as i have one on my w3 and its never given trouble, no flexi joint either, must be down to the fact ive never driven it hard, it must be a combination of high tempreatures due to giving it welly and too much flex, i would say a 4th engine mount would be a good solution along with checking all other mounts mounts maybe.
**** me, that's some good customer service from Supersprint!
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