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jay_nation
10-02-2010, 20:36
Hello All,

I hope it is ok to post a 'Megane Engine' question here, suggested from one of your supporters who thinks 'you' may be able to help?

I am restoring an old Single Seater (Formula Renault 2.0 1993) and have upgraded the standard 1.6 engine to the Megane F7R D 710 Engine 2.0 16v 1999 and original Fenix5 ECU and Loom.

The ECU is the Siemens Fenix5 part number on the system is as follows:

S103717102C / HOM7700868306 (7700101922 Smaller Number Underneath)

The problem is after wiring it up (harness was in bits) the injectors will not fire, its as though the ECU earth to the injectors is at fault?

I have fuel to the rail and the injectors do fire when tested with 12v battery.

When cranking the engine the injector voltage is 0.35v approx. I believe the voltage here should be 12v and 16ohms?

Is this a problem with the Crank Sensor or otherwise? I have 1-5v output at the Crank Sensor (Dependent upon position).

To date I have checked the following:

WOW Fault Diagnostic (Low RPM only)
General system wire-up
Earth points
Wire continuity tests
Sensor continuity tests
Crank Sensor signal (1-5v available dependent on position)
Cam sensor pin tests 1&2, 1&3
Starter motor interference (ok)
Fuse & relay tests
Coil pack tested
Injectors tested
Fuel system tested

We are at this stage using part of the fuse box system until we get the engine running and then can make the required harness for the car.

We are using the following fuses and relays:

Relays:

Fuel Pump - Brown
Control Unit - Green

Fuses:

F4 - Engine Function 7.5A
F6 - Engine & Injection Protection 30A

Our problem remains that the injectors only receive 12v on initial fuel and system prime (i.e key turn) and then will not receive signal thereafter.

However I feel I am no closer to solving this problem, and as yet have failed to be able to trigger or activate the injectors from ignition.

I am beginning to wonder if the ECU is 'shot' for want of a better word?

All help welcomed!

Regards

JP :?:

volymmannen
10-02-2010, 20:58
is the ecu made for high or low ohm injectors, wrong type wont work..

jay_nation
10-02-2010, 21:33
is the ecu made for high or low ohm injectors, wrong type wont work..

Hello Volymmannen,

Thanks for your reply.

The ECU is the original Siemens Fenix5 that came with the doner Engine.

Not sure whether these are low or high?

JP

jay_nation
10-02-2010, 21:42
is the ecu made for high or low ohm injectors, wrong type wont work..

Hello Volymmannen,

Thanks for your reply.

The ECU is the original Siemens Fenix5 that came with the doner Engine.

Not sure whether these are low or high?

JP

I believe this is correct - F7R injectors : 0 280 155 724 - 229cc/min 16 ohm

white16valver
11-02-2010, 00:10
Blimey, that sounds like a project! lol

Post some pics :)

stan
11-02-2010, 00:30
Have you got the original key/transponder to deactivate the immobiliser before cranking?

jay_nation
11-02-2010, 14:52
Blimey, that sounds like a project! lol

Post some pics :)

Hey thanks for the encouragement lol

Will post some images soon!

Regards

JP

jay_nation
11-02-2010, 14:57
Have you got the original key/transponder to deactivate the immobiliser before cranking?

Hello Stan,

Thanks for your input.

The original key/transponder is available but we do not have the ignition barre.. The gentelman whom we purchased the engine from has proviously carried out such conversions.

I am thinking that the ECU needs a 'immobiliser deactivation' or such like?

Regards

JP

Wobba
11-02-2010, 15:00
Pretty sure this ECU type has a built in immobiliser meaning the fuel pump wont work until immobiliser is deactivated.

jay_nation
11-02-2010, 15:13
Pretty sure this ECU type has a built in immobiliser meaning the fuel pump wont work until immobiliser is deactivated.

Hello Wobba,

The fuel pump does activate, its just the injectors that will not operate properly.

Regards

JP

stan
11-02-2010, 15:19
Yeah the fuel pump will prime but the injectors will not be energised.

Either connect the transponder and have the key present,
or get the ecu immob code wiped then fit an immob code emulator.

Paul at RSTuning (google them) can Virginise the ecu and you can buy an emu from tektronics.

If you get stuck, call me on 01639 845009 or email info@ap-developments