Clio Sport/172 hubs and front calipers Q: What driveshafts?

[rs27carrera]

Just installed upgraded brakes to Williams 2 - 172 front hubs and calipers and that makes track width wider than original Willy width. Already noted that Williams drive shafts are possibly too short and they can pop out from box end, but does 172/Sport has longer dirve shafts?

Do right/left saft fit directly to willy box? Other end anyhow will as they are from 172/Sport?

R. Harri

PS. original brakes worked fine 5:45 hour out of 6 hours endurance race, got new Ferodo 2500DS pads but they faded off 15 mins before finish line :oops:

[Evogone]

172 shafts should fit straight in and will be the correct length. Not sure on the actual amount they are longer but they are.

[number1]

19 16v Shafts might fit, as there slightly longer than Williams items, There was a chap on here using 172 hubs and i remember him using a 19 16v drivers side shaft,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/davebell1984/21032008.jpg

Top item is a 19 16v Item, Middle a Williams Bottom a Valver item
Might help you with comparison

[Winston]

172 shafts is what you need....

the ends that go through the shaft are fatter on the 172 hubs... so clio and 19 shafts are no good

[number1]

YouCan however Use the Clio/19 inner hub assembly to get around that! ;)

[rs27carrera]

Thanks guys, then hunt is on for 172 shafts. Do you know if 1.2/1.4/1.6 shafts are similar to 2.0. Those would be so much easier to find than 2.0/Sport shafts?

[rob-legend]

sport ones are longer i believe matey

[Crossers]

You don't need the 172 shafts.

All you need to do is put some 16v clio bearings into the 172 hubs.

You can use the drivers side 19 drive shaft as its a little longer, but the williams ones are fine.

Just swap those bearings and job done.

p.s (i was the chap who had them on my williams!)

Paul

[rs27carrera]

What did happen already is that one shaft popped out of gearbox (original Williams) but luckily did not break anything else but dogbone once engine was pushed sideways. Hence, I would prefer to install longer shafts, it's a fact that ride width is some 20mm wider with Megane/Scenic hubs and original shafts are naturally a bit short. Car is lowered a lot, maybe that makes this even more critical.

I can find lot's of R19 16V shafts, 172 Sport is more difficult. Do anyone know if R19 shafts are identical length with 172?

R. Harri

[Evogone]

What did happen already is that one shaft popped out of gearbox (original Williams) but luckily did not break anything else but dogbone once engine was pushed sideways. Hence, I would prefer to install longer shafts, it's a fact that ride width is some 20mm wider with Megane/Scenic hubs and original shafts are naturally a bit short. Car is lowered a lot, maybe that makes this even more critical.

I can find lot's of R19 16V shafts, 172 Sport is more difficult. Do anyone know if R19 shafts are identical length with 172?

R. Harri

Use 172 shafts......!

[jay s]

here are the lengths of all 3 sets of shafts for anybody thats interested :D

Clio 16v shaft: LH lenght: 602mm ( passanger side )
RH lenght: 700mm ( drivers side )

Williams shaft: LH lenght: 618mm
RH lenght: 717mm

R19 16v shaft: LH lenght: 636mm
RH lenght: 732mm

R19 poverty spec :wink:
LH lenght: 638mm
RH lenght: 733mm
these also have a slighty smaller diameter shaft, 86.5mm all the other 3 are 90mm.

[jay s]

just found the lenghts of the 172 shafts aswell :D

clio 172: LH passanger side: 639mm
RH drivers side: 734mm

[jay s]

:evil: bring back the edit button

172 shafts are 95mm thick, so slightly thicker than the rest. the cv joint on a 172 shaft has 23 teeth where as the other 3 listed have 21 teeth

[Evogone]

here are the lengths of all 3 sets of shafts for anybody thats interested :D

Clio 16v shaft: LH lenght: 602mm ( passanger side )
RH lenght: 700mm ( drivers side )

Williams shaft: LH lenght: 618mm
RH lenght: 717mm

R19 16v shaft: LH lenght: 636mm
RH lenght: 732mm

R19 poverty spec :wink:
LH lenght: 638mm
RH lenght: 733mm
these also have a slighty smaller diameter shaft, 86.5mm all the other 3 are 90mm.

Interesting the ones i took off the rally car (Williams ones) where only 12mm longer than the Brand new Renault Clio 16v one i bought....

I needed 7mm difference with the Gripper diff so fitted a 5mm spacer on the drive shaft so the pluge is right. Common mod on Vauxhall rally cars so eleiminate the Drive shaft popping out on full lock.

[rs27carrera]

Thanks, exactly information needed. Looks like R19 16V may be usable, not far from 172 length.

[Crossers]

The 19 one is suitable.

Thats what I ran mine on.

Paul

[Glekke]

the driveshafts from a 19 can't be used on 172 hubs... it sits loose into the bearings...

[Glekke]

So, with bearings from a 16v into the 172 hubs, it will work?
Are the bearings the same size?

[Crossers]

Yes. As already stated,

19 driveshaft in 16v/williams bearings in 172 hubs. The bearings fit the hubs.

paul