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ok so im going to be sticking some bodies on the car after the new year for a birthday present to myself lol.
now im not 100% sure on everything i need so i need some help on where to order from. and general prices.
was going to do a emerald ecu and obviously jenvys but what sizes ect?
i have a standard williams engine at the moment is it worth getting a megane head? or just plonking it all on my williams lump.
future plans were going to be cams if i fancied more power and abit more headwork.
cheers
stan supplys the lot and fits/mapps it for just over 3k iirc thats including a smaller rad too
yeah i know cheers, looking at saving some cash sourcing it all myself and fitting then getting emerald to map it.
16v_paddy
24-12-2008, 19:09
there's a lad on C16v, jamie iirc :? thats getting rid of a meggy head if you're after one, he lives in beeston, notts
you can use bike throttle bodies as well, gsxr 600 - 1000 are the sizes to go for & you can get them quite cheap on ebay :wink: you just need to modify them a bit to fit the manifold
ah hes bought some bits from me ill have to look into it is it worth it over the williams head in some pms to san i think he said if the heads standard then its not worth it but im thinking along the lines of cams in the future.
interested in this myself as well .
i got a set of bike bodies ,does anyone know if the
spacing on the bike body ports have to be absolutely inline
with the inlet ports on the head or could i get away with 8-10mm ?
sideways danny
25-12-2008, 01:33
ah hes bought some bits from me ill have to look into it is it worth it over the williams head in some pms to san i think he said if the heads standard then its not worth it but im thinking along the lines of cams in the future.
The manifolds available for the megane head are better, but all in it's a more expensive kit to purchase.
The manifolds available for the williams/valver are for DCOE throttle bodies which are cheaper.
We're quite pleased with the results we've had on the DCOE setup
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/AndyGDI/IMG_2014.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/AndyGDI/IMG_1530.jpg
what gains are to be had with a standard megane head over a standard williams head? is it only the size of the inlet ports that are different? and further down the line when i add cams i can enlarge the williams ports to that of the megane ports? (33mm?)
also how much cheaper are the manifolds for the williams head over that of the megane head?
16v_paddy
25-12-2008, 03:56
I thought it was the inlet valves that are 33mm :? and the ports on the meggy head are a different shape to the willy/valver heads
yeah sorry thats what i meant was abit ****ed after a night on the piss haha well impressed with my spelling after that much drink
sideways danny
26-12-2008, 03:26
megane head is good, If i was starting from scratch with a full engine build it's what i'd use. I dont really understand why you'd cut corners (use bike bodies etc) to save money, then source and change a cylinder head :? :? :? Use what you have and put the best bits you can afford on that IMO. Jenvey DCOE bodied are lovely, I'll be using them on my Mi16 in the not too distant future
For this level of tuning, mapping will see more gains than the difference between a williams head and a megane head :)
i wasnt going to be using bike bodies i want the real stuff. So ill stick with what i have can anyone do i list of the parts ill need and where i can get them from? If i just had parts list im sure i can source a place to get them from.
I'm getting all my parts and work done by stan (craig) at apd. Speak to him, he's really helpfull.
mine ran williams head. wasnt too bad tbh, but a good mapping sesh wouldnt have gone amiss. used to take the piss outta scoobs etc. and i mean REALLY take the piss lol
my mates ra spec didnt stand a chance, my other mates 370 odd bhp 2 dr didnt either.
iirc the complete kit i had was £1700 + vat wen new, but that was a fair few years ago, included bodies, ecu, loom, fit n play kit. weber 45s
was tempted originally to just ditch the injection system n run carbs .
sounds good being able to rape my mates impreza would be fun in short drag race was dead equal but im sure over a longer stretch he would pull that was pre manifold and chip so hopefully bodies will do and cams would just be fun that something extra.
ive spoke to stan he was very helpfull im just looking at getting the parts myself and saving some money really as my cage and coilovers rinsed some of my hard earned.
If the heads are standard, use the williams head, standard megane heads arent arent as good flow wise.
if you are planning on fitting bike bodies, the main thing to look at when having a manifold made is getting the length in there.
Still get a short rad of soem description, and get the manifold made to give max length given the bodies you have.
99percent of people fitting bike bodies or crabs make induction length way to shoty, and wonder why it drives like a sack of spuds and makes shit torque.
i always look at getting the legnth in there mate ;)
dan, what rad is that in them pics? It looks like a standard rad out of some other car. Audi 80??
thats another questin i wanted to ask what rad do people use? saving over 400 would help lol
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33081&highlight=
midge has that lot for sale, stan is that basically the parts youd sell but using emerald instead? im not sure bout that management as ive never heard of it and had pretty much made my mind up on emerald. what are the thoughts on the parts?
and where do people get the bits to block the standard injector holes?
just looking at pics and some have the injectors on the jenvy bodies another one has them in standard place and another has them in all 8 locations.
whats the deal?
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 01:45
dan, what rad is that in them pics? It looks like a standard rad out of some other car. Audi 80??not sure in honesty. Rad specialist sourced it from dimensions. Works fantastic :)
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 01:53
just looking at pics and some have the injectors on the jenvy bodies another one has them in standard place and another has them in all 8 locations.
whats the deal?
fitting in standard position means you can use the standard rail, I like this for simplicity. Some will argue the benefits of injectors firing earlier in the inlet....swings and roundabouts. Jenvey will supply bungs if you ask, but the pics you've seen with both in place are probably just there for blocking holes.
Worth noting you can't use stock injectors with Omex (unless you want to mess with resistor packs). You need high impedence
yeah thought as much but had heard of people running 8 or the idea of it.
is there any chance you could find out what radiator it is? would save alot of money id guess
surely that cant be good putting bolts through the rad i presume its for the fan?speak to radtec mate i think someone got one made by them for about £300 cash,i know its still alot but i'd want it to look neat
Thing is its not just the physical size of the thing, its the size and position and angle of the inlet/outlet pipes
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 14:44
surely that cant be good putting bolts through the rad i presume its for the fan?speak to radtec mate i think someone got one made by them for about £300 cash,i know its still alot but i'd want it to look neat
it's totally fine, and yes it's for the fan.
We can supply the rad in the pictures. We're putting together a comprehensive kit but we're not ready to push it yet :)
dan, what rad is that in them pics? It looks like a standard rad out of some other car. Audi 80??not sure in honesty. Rad specialist sourced it from dimensions. Works fantastic :)
as stated all ready, would be good to know but i can appreciate if you want to keep it under your belts for a kit your doing. Anyway, im not going for itb's straight off, need to get the engine in a weight sorted out first!
robi1000
27-12-2008, 18:22
Worth noting you can't use stock injectors with Omex (unless you want to mess with resistor packs). You need high impedence
Couldn't you use Megane grey injectors? Aren't those high impedance ones?
not going to be using omex so isnt a problem.
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 20:32
Worth noting you can't use stock injectors with Omex (unless you want to mess with resistor packs). You need high impedence
Couldn't you use Megane grey injectors? Aren't those high impedance ones?
yes :)
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 20:35
not going to be using omex so isnt a problem.
fairly sure emerald would be the same. Stan could confirm
Any reason, out of interest?
price really. isnt omex nearly a grand?
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 21:52
price really. isnt omex nearly a grand?
the ecu itself is actually less then emerald by about £30 (£545 +vat)
looms, there is a choice. Race loom (that's the one you want rather than splicing) is £180+vat. then about £30 on sensors and you're there
so which ecu works out cheaper with looms? i was always under the impression omex was a few hundred more :S
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 22:09
so which ecu works out cheaper with looms? i was always under the impression omex was a few hundred more :S
I dont think emerald do a race loom, only a self assembly. I might be wrong though.
more to it than cost though. A rule I like to recommend is - choose who you want to map your car and ask their advice on an ECU, if they dont like the system you have, they wont get the best from it.
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 22:22
just checked, Emerald would be £20 more + vat if you went with self assembly looms on both. Not much in it on that front.
sideways danny
27-12-2008, 22:58
f you need any help with configurations and detailed prices let me know, we have files and full details to make the job really easy
sweet thanks for the help whats this kit your putting together pm me any details? and one for a drive in drive out jobby just to get a idea on prices if i went that way.
could anyone go on www.jenvey.co.uk and pick out the part numbers on what exactly id need from them? then is it a case of choocing management fitting and a map? as im still not sure on exactly what parts it is ill be needing from them.
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30032
Apart from myself, Craig (aka Stan) is the only other person i'd trust to work on my car
The Emerald will run with low impedence injectors, but you risk over-heating the drivers on high duty cycle, hence its always recomended to use hig impedence.
Emerald offer a pre-assembled loom.
ok so a set of megane injectors are recomended, do you include these on your drive in drive out service?
sideways danny
28-12-2008, 13:35
Emerald offer a pre-assembled loom.
ah, fair play. Couldn't find it and we dont sell emerald :)
sideways danny
28-12-2008, 13:44
ok so a set of megane injectors are recomended, do you include these on your drive in drive out service?
we would include something suitable.
ok so a set of megane injectors are recomended, do you include these on your drive in drive out service?
yes mate.
ok cool keep thinking just let the pros do it lol but im up for a challange.
anyone heard or used luminition management?
sideways danny
28-12-2008, 18:32
never looked at one.
If you want a chat in person we're at autosport international, on the Omex stand jan 8-11. or give us a call at the office when we're open again 01480 860001
Ive used Luminition before...
...never again...
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