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cancelled the auction until i find out 100% what it is :oops:
Cheers
williams engine with 8k limiter? what have you done so that it will safely rev to that?
you havnt listed the mileage either?
I never did the work on the engine it was done prier to me and the other owner who bought it with the rebuilt engine fitted, the mileage is 143k but its irrelevant as the engines different, i never bothered with the mileage when i bought the car as its not really got classic car valuing or anything i just bought the car for fun.
HYBRID_HAZ
21-10-2006, 23:18
That looks a bargin. If only you wasn't 300 miles away.
Andyvalver
21-10-2006, 23:21
The 8k rev limit does worry me :?
Unless its had bottom end work 8)
Well its just under 8k maybe around 7,5/6k but i am unaware of what work has been done to the engine prior to my ownership, all i know is it leaves clio 1.8 16v for dead you can really tell the difference its a good car it just need someone who can appreciate it, i'm too old really and my partner wants another vectra or saxo as she refuses to drive this.
Dancliovalver
22-10-2006, 10:44
would you part ex with this mate???
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15646
would you part ex with this mate???
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15646
I haven't got the differnce to put into yours as i have my cash is tied up in two Ford rs's.
Thats my old car!! :D
ARe you the lad i bought it off mate??? if so do you still want it back??
Yes mate I am. No way I can pay for it bk now, engine seized up on mine yesterday so im totally screwed for money, I do think it is a mint car I loved it to bits when it was mine. Does seem to go really well was gutted I had to sell but needed the money at the time.
Has had loads of new parts including new steering column, brand new clutch about 1000 miles before I sold it, new dogbone mount and pedal assembly. Someone will be getting a bargain for the money you are asking, good luck with the sale mate.
Sorry to hear that rob, what car did you buy ???
Another valver close to where I live, totally gutted but should be picking up an engine this week, hopefully fitted very soon.
clean16v
22-10-2006, 14:24
is this 100% a hybrid? 2litre engine?
is this 100& a hybrid?
:? i'm confused, its a 2.0 engine
I bought the car believing it was a standard valver but I do think something has been done to it. I do not know much about cars. Seemed very quick for what it was a lot quicker than the valver I have just bought was before it seized up. lol. Dont know how you check a williams engine? Cheers, Rob.
clean16v
22-10-2006, 14:30
is this 100& a hybrid?
:? i'm confused, its a 2.0 engine
There seems to be some confusion regarding the engine. Is there proof that this is a 2litre?
I was going to buy the car bk from him but it is miles and miles away from me now. Rang me up and told me it has been checked by someone who knows more and they say it is a 2.0l engine. I cannot say I did any of that work as I know nothing about cars, I just bought it with the same engine in it. Deffinatly think something has been done to it, ripped an old starlet turbo when I owned it, seems to go really well.
Their is no receipt with the engine but needed a mates opinion who knows these cars, he drove it and said straight away its way to fast for a valver, and whilst at the petrol station yesterday some lad pulled up in a valver and got speaking to him and asked him if he'd go down the motorway to see what the difference between the two are and from the way i left him on the sliproad there is no question that its a 2.0, after i spoke to him after and his was proven 145bhp and he said there was no way he could even try and keep up.
Well as i've not got any receipts for the engine etc, its just my word, i am a ex peugeot race machanic so know what i'm on about, this feels as quick as my 170bhp frst if not more as you run out of road through the gears i 've been out in it this morning and confirm to rev to 7600 rpm easy so wondering if its been chipped as well i'd have to check the ECU to confirm., the car is a good price even if it were just a valver so its a bonus
clean16v
22-10-2006, 15:21
standard 2l rev limit is 6900....is this not just a quick 1.8?
Can you check the engine stamp? just under the inlet manifold, or post a picture of the exhaust manifold?
an engine number is gonna be the easiest way to clarify this mate as it is cheap as to what people normally try to sell hybrids for. just cumbria is a long way for many people to come to find out its a tuned valver with headwork,cams and a re-map :)
Andyvalver
22-10-2006, 16:33
If you cant see the engine number, what colour is the dot on the oil dipstick? Dark blue/black or white? :)
an engine number is gonna be the easiest way to clarify this mate as it is cheap as to what people normally try to sell hybrids for. just cumbria is a long way for many people to come to find out its a tuned valver with headwork,cams and a re-map :)
Right lads i'm not clued up at all on renaults so bear with me, how much should it be up for sale for???
what does a N reg valver go for in this condition?
what does a N reg hybrid go for in this condition?
if i can confirm its deffo got a 2.0 in it i will revise the price to £1600 then and keep it at the same price if it appears to be a 1.8 which i very much doubt, could you get 164bhp out of a valver, i will get it roaded again and get a printout.
i'll have a look at the things above, where abouts is the ECU so i can see if its chipped or not??
If you cant see the engine number, what colour is the dot on the oil dipstick? Dark blue/black or white? :)
what are the colours for which engine, as i'll look tommorow
You tell us what colour you've got first :wink:
ECU is under scuttle panel drivers side by side of jack.
You tell us what colour you've got first :wink:
ECU is under scuttle panel drivers side by side of jack.
i'll have to check tomorrow, also the ecu to see if it chipped, i will double check all these things out but its a very quick car, i ain't fobbing people off i know a quick car if i can confirm its 2.0 i won't sell for £1200 i will get the arches done and the little bits and then its mint and it will go up fora proper price like £1600-1700.
if i can confirm its 2.0 i won't sell for £1200 i will get the arches done and the little bits and then its mint and it will go up fora proper price like £1600-1700.
But youve advertised it as 2.0?? why would you not sell for the price youve stated if you confirm it is??
whereabouts are you in Cumbria mate?
if i can confirm its 2.0 i won't sell for £1200 i will get the arches done and the little bits and then its mint and it will go up fora proper price like £1600-1700.
But you've advertised it as 2.0?? why would you not sell for the price youve stated if you confirm it is??
whereabouts are you in Cumbria mate?
Carlisle.
Aparrently according to people on here i have underpriced it so i will get it 100% confirmed then revise the price, i have been looking at other cars for sale and this is cheap, a clio 16v goes for more than this on a j plate and RT's go for slightly less.
whereabouts?
I may be up home next weekend if u want me to pop over and have a look.
Im from Dalston btw...but currently living in Swansea...dont ask!
donsrno1
22-10-2006, 21:07
if the price of this stays the same I would be very interested and may consider going to have a look at it if I can sell my valver this week. I would need to have it confirmed as a 2.0 though before I would travel down to you to have a look. Can you get some pics of the engine bay and some close ups of the arches?
Why do you think it's had an engine re-build as there seems to be no proof that it's had a full re-build as even Foz hasn't said that and he was the previous owner.
clean16v
22-10-2006, 22:15
dipstick colour means toffee! if someone wanted to they could quite easily change the colour of the dot.
Manifold (even then doesn't mean much)
Rev limit (even then it could be chipped!)
engine number/plate....or a drive with someone who knows the characteristics (sp) of a 2L bottom end.
The RR printout means nothing as well, i've had valvers RR'd before to give silly power figures by cowboy mechanics.
And revising the cost is a bit daft mate, you've advertised this at £1,200 claiming it to be a 2litre...increasing the price because someone questioned it? Again, very suspicious!
Don't mean to piss on your chips dude, just don't want anyone wasting their time or yours.
^^^^^He's the one that told me that the previous owner had the engine rebuilt i don't know for sure as there's no receipts hence the price, but i'm starting to have second thoughts about selling as its a job and a half, i know people want to know for sure what engine is in it but i don't know, all i know its v quick and leaves other valvers for dead, it revs hell of a lot more than a valver even with a chip, the car is £1200 which is cheap for such a fun car, i bought a runnaround 1.2 clio last year and that was the same reg and that cost me £700 so for £500 more their alot more car, so heres the car if anyone want to look there more than welcome, Also accourding to a renault specialist the dot on the dipstick does'nt really ensure anything but from whati can see it looks blue too me.
Cheers
clean16v
22-10-2006, 22:23
a williams should rev a lot lower then a valver.... :oops:
VIPERONE
22-10-2006, 22:37
ive had various limiters on my hybrid, ive had 8k 7500 and 7100.
the test would be the engine id, photos etc.
And revising the cost is a bit daft mate, you've advertised this at £1,200 claiming it to be a 2litre...increasing the price because someone questioned it? Again, very suspicious!
if i can confirm its 2.0 i won't sell for £1200 i will get the arches done and the little bits and then its mint and it will go up for a proper price like £1600-1700.
Like i have said i only know what people are telling me etc... i don't know alot about these cars, if it was confirmed 100% to have a 2.0 then i would do the work need to make mint then re-advertise it for more if it were worth doing thats what was meant by revising, as in the quote i had made.
I will check the engine number tommorow to confirm its ID can someone tell me what i should be looking for both valver numbers and williams numbers - whatever the outcome it stays at £1200 as this is what these cars goe for anyway i just advertised it for £1200 as i want my money back and a quick sale.
donsrno1
23-10-2006, 00:40
If you could check that tomorrow it would be awesome becuase I would be very interested in this if you can verify it's a 2 litre and would probably travel down to have a look asap, if I can sell my valver - which fingers crossed will happen in the next few days. As I said though, I would really need some pics of the arches first and a few other details, but can sort that out after you find out if it's a 1.8/2.0.
right i will check tomorrow, also i will be adding new mounts as well as these on the car seemed to have gone weak.
rear arch the opersite side is the same just on the surface
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/h186jne/MY%20CLIO%2016V/Picture183.jpg
passenger seat
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/h186jne/MY%20CLIO%2016V/Picture185.jpg
bubbled bonnet due to heat
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/h186jne/MY%20CLIO%2016V/Picture181.jpg
Here a pic of the history file
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/h186jne/MY%20CLIO%2016V/Picture179.jpg
These are the only things wrong with the car, and would cost very little to sort.
clean16v
23-10-2006, 01:41
very interesting read!
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=171674
very interesting read!
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/search.php?searchid=674094
If this is regarding the service history well you would have read the reply to it, all the mot's and stamp book and receipts come with it and i picked up a folder with the renualt customer books in it from the scrappy, no crime all the history is legit, this is quite funny, this car to me is a cheap runaround or for flying around a track i build up MINT ford rs's, anyone would think i'm selling a £6k minter :lol: its a clio at the end of the day and its £1200 :roll:
clean16v
23-10-2006, 01:58
you bought it from a scrappy for £1k less than a month ago. You're now trying to fob it off as a 2L.
It's screaming 'scam' to me.
none of my business you might be thinking, but a lot of honest people use forums like this to buy and sell cars, me being one of them. When cars like this come up, and people try to make a dishonest buck out of enthusiast it annoys me a little...
Nah matey the car is genuine, he bought it from me not long ago, not sure about all this 2.0 engine stuff, I bought it thinking it was a valver, just turned out to be quick for what it was. I know next to nothing about cars so couldnt help you. Someone should be able to tell surely?
you bought it from a scrappy for £1k less than a month ago. You're now trying to fob it off as a 2L.
It's screaming 'scam' to me.
none of my business you might be thinking, but a lot of honest people use forums like this to buy and sell cars, me being one of them. When cars like this come up, and people try to make a dishonest buck out of enthusiast it annoys me a little...
:lol: My god, i bought the car from foz two weeks ago, i got the little clio history wallet from the breakers to put the MOT's etc in, please keep up clean16v :roll: i ain't out to scam anyone this car owes me £1200 whatever it is and thats what i would like for it if it goes, the cars genuine and so am i, its off ebay until its real id is identified as i wouldn't want it coming back on me, the guy who informed me about the engine is a very good tuner this is why i never doubted his comments, i will get the engine number off the block in the morning and try and get some info from renault, i take they have records of these???
engine block number would be the silver stick on thing wouldn't it? again this can easily be changed, seen it done myself for insurance purposes on engine swaps. the only way to tell if it is a 2.0 is get it RR'd at somewhere reputable and the torque curve will identify if it's a valver or not.
agree with clean16v though, you shouldn't be advertising it as a 2.0 on the off chance it is then start asking for more money, that's a bit dodgy imo.
if you were local I'd offer to check, as the Williams engine characteristics are soooo different to the valver. what the torque like low down? does it pick up really quickly from low revs, or burst onto cam in the higher revs instead?
also if it is a Willy engine I fear for it, the crank is only safe to rev at 7200rpm really, anymore and your putting serious strain on the bottom end.
agree with clean16v though, you shouldn't be advertising it as a 2.0 on the off chance it is then start asking for more money, that's a bit dodgy imo.
I said if i would keep and do the jobs that need doing and resell at as higher price as it would be worth it, CLEAN16V need to read posts before he starts replying to them :roll:
donsrno1
23-10-2006, 12:30
Replied over on CS as well but would just like to say that until the whole 2.0 question is answered once and for all I'm not going to be buying this. If it is shown to definately be a 2.0 then I may be interested again though - so the sooner this is resolved the better imo.
A quick question though, in what way did your mate "give it a tune up"? Also, if you have had it on a RR to find it has 164bhp, would you not have the RR printout which would show the orque curve and answer the question about the engine.
clean16v
23-10-2006, 12:33
:lol: :roll:
agree with clean16v though, you shouldn't be advertising it as a 2.0 on the off chance it is then start asking for more money, that's a bit dodgy imo.
I said if i would keep and do the jobs that need doing and resell at as higher price as it would be worth it, CLEAN16V need to read posts before he starts replying to them :roll:
not really, changing the story constantly promotes distrust. it's either a 2.0 or it's a 1.8, but on the say so of "this guy I once met at a pub who used to be a race driver.... blah blah blah" is worth nothing when people are spending a big amount of money. You have no recipts and are basically guessing that it's a hybrid and advertising it as so with zero proof on the basis it "feels" fast... now your having a dig because he's asking questions you cant answer... ridiculous. Personally if it were up to me I'd ban you.
agree with clean16v though, you shouldn't be advertising it as a 2.0 on the off chance it is then start asking for more money, that's a bit dodgy imo.
I said if i would keep and do the jobs that need doing and resell at as higher price as it would be worth it, CLEAN16V need to read posts before he starts replying to them :roll:
not really, changing the story constantly promotes distrust. it's either a 2.0 or it's a 1.8, but on the say so of "this guy I once met at a pub who used to be a race driver.... blah blah blah" is worth nothing when people are spending a big amount of money. You have no recipts and are basically guessing that it's a hybrid and advertising it as so with zero proof on the basis it "feels" fast... now your having a dig because he's asking questions you cant answer... ridiculous. Personally if it were up to me I'd ban you.
:lol: i'm getting bored of this, its a clio and a runnaround and i want rid because its a car for a young boy not me, my partner needs another car as she won't drive this, fair enough i never had 100% proof it was 2.0 and no i don't have a printout for the RR it was a quick run as its a mates garage it was done at, i ain't lying at all i have no need to, to cure all the problem I ADVERTISE AS A 1.8 CLIO and if its something else then whatever, it owes me £1200 which i originally advertised it as which remains the same, the history for what bit it has is genuine, it MOT'd and a fairly clean car, just to add there is no chip for definate in it i've looked this morning but i can't find the engine number???
Andyvalver
23-10-2006, 13:25
From the engine bay picture on cliosport (page 3) its a 1.8 mate. :thumbsup:
is the same manifold as the 1.8 in mine
agree with clean16v though, you shouldn't be advertising it as a 2.0 on the off chance it is then start asking for more money, that's a bit dodgy imo.
I said if i would keep and do the jobs that need doing and resell at as higher price as it would be worth it, CLEAN16V need to read posts before he starts replying to them :roll:
not really, changing the story constantly promotes distrust. it's either a 2.0 or it's a 1.8, but on the say so of "this guy I once met at a pub who used to be a race driver.... blah blah blah" is worth nothing when people are spending a big amount of money. You have no recipts and are basically guessing that it's a hybrid and advertising it as so with zero proof on the basis it "feels" fast... now your having a dig because he's asking questions you cant answer... ridiculous. Personally if it were up to me I'd ban you.
:lol: i'm getting bored of this, its a clio and a runnaround and i want rid because its a car for a young boy not me, my partner needs another car as she won't drive this, fair enough i never had 100% proof it was 2.0 and no i don't have a printout for the RR it was a quick run as its a mates garage it was done at, i ain't lying at all i have no need to, to cure all the problem I ADVERTISE AS A 1.8 CLIO and if its something else then whatever, it owes me £1200 which i originally advertised it as which remains the same, the history for what bit it has is genuine, it MOT'd and a fairly clean car, just to add there is no chip for definate in it i've looked this morning but i can't find the engine number???
the simple solution would have been to advertise it as a quick valver until you knew then, as hybrids go for more. it's not fair to potential buyers, but either way, if your now going to advertise it as a 1.8 then no problem.
As regards the chip it would only be a piggy back unit soldered inside the original Siemans ECU box anyway. IMO from the sounds of it its just a fast valver, the rev limit is sounding too much like a valver one, which is usually 7800rpm after a chip. The only Williams running near that blew up pretty quickly.
Ive offered to go round and have a look...no reply.
Who's this tuner..?
I will likely know him.
Just for the record, the willy crank is fine for far more than 7.2k rpm. :D
Just for the record, the willy crank is fine for far more than 7.2k rpm. :D
Really? :shock: Almost every other engine tuner I have spoken to have said it's highly unsafe running it at anything over 7200rpm :? weird
Ive offered to go round and have a look...no reply.
Who's this tuner..?
I will likely know him.
Just for the record, the willy crank is fine for far more than 7.2k rpm. :D
Sorry mate i thought you said you live in wales, if you come up here i'll take you out in it and see what you think, it's deffo not chipped as the piggyback hasn't been touched and there is no markings on the chip that would identify it as an aftermarket item, i've just been down the motorway and its a ****ing fast car then for a 1.8, i'll have it roaded again around here as it was done by a mate in cheshire, if it is a 1.8 then i would deffo get another rolling road as the one it went on must need calibarating or something as thats way to much for a standard car which is suposed to be 137??? bhp.
The car is still for sale £1200 which is still around the right price for one of these isn't it???
Are you sure they were teling you the crank itself? Conrod bolts i would suggest uprating past circa 7.2k. pistons wouldnt like near 8k i wouldnt have thought.
My Williams revs to 9k fine. Thats a std crank dynamicaly blaanced....forged pistons and H-section rods.
Im also pretty sure the greek T.B lump is on a std crank.
Ive offered to go round and have a look...no reply.
Who's this tuner..?
I will likely know him.
Just for the record, the willy crank is fine for far more than 7.2k rpm. :D
Sorry mate i thought you said you live in wales, if you come up here i'll take you out in it and see what you think, it's deffo not chipped as the piggyback hasn't been touched and there is no markings on the chip that would identify it as an aftermarket item, i've just been down the motorway and its a f***king fast car then for a 1.8, i'll have it roaded again around here as it was done by a mate in cheshire, if it is a 1.8 then i would deffo get another rolling road as the one it went on must need calibarating or something as thats way to much for a standard car which is suposed to be 137??? bhp.
The car is still for sale £1200 which is still around the right price for one of these isn't it???
Im from Carlisle mate, but currenty living in wales...all my family is still there...just me here :cry: lol. i might be up home next weekend is what i was saying...i can pop round and check the engine code for you.
I think why peoples backs are up is as i said before, youve advertised it for sale as a 2.0...regardless of price...and your now basing that on hearsay or comments from a third party, without any solid proof.
Who is this tuner bloke who said it was a 2.0 anyway?
Are you sure they were teling you the crank itself? Conrod bolts i would suggest uprating past circa 7.2k. pistons wouldnt like near 8k i wouldnt have thought.
My Williams revs to 9k fine. Thats a std crank dynamicaly blaanced....forged pistons and H-section rods.
Im also pretty sure the greek T.B lump is on a std crank.
yeah pretty sure... but having said that the 172 crank isn't any different really to the Williams one is it? I'll be doing the bottom end on mine early next year with crank, rods, pistons to hold more revs, possibly 182 fanimold and some headwork too... depends how mental I go lol
Brammer, £1200 for a rapid valver is a good price yeah, for a hybrid it would be too cheap imo, you could get close to £2k if all these fools stopped selling their Williams for less than they are worth.
Thejesus - cheers mate £1200 is what i want for the car.
Stan - if you are going to be up here next week pm me your number before you come and i'll arrange to meet you :wink:
donsrno1
23-10-2006, 18:30
and if you do meet, let me know the findings ;)
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