View Full Version : My 449 to 432 Respray by whitestar
I have had the car back almost a week now!
Anyway............
Make your own minds up!
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/
Have just ordered some 3000grit wet and dry sand paper, so am going to tackle the complete car at the weekend.
Title changed from My 449 to 432 respray by williams_jr's dad.
Northy 07/07/07
MatBrown
01-06-2006, 14:43
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Mat.
sorry to hear its not worked out mate - but whats your password lol ???
but i have always said - its cheap for a reason.
Try hammers as the password
Not too bothered to be honest Northy, was always going to get it resprayed anyway and thought i'd give them a go......you live and learn....Hence why I have not kicked off about it and will try to rectify it myself. I didnt want to say anything on the public forum but I feel I had to, for others sake if you get me
If the W&D dont work im going to try and respray it myself, failing that I will go to 'Splash' who are the local lads and are not too pricey, they want £1200....I have seen 4 of there jobs and there spot on
Swervin_Mervin
01-06-2006, 14:51
Where you based Smokey?
Swervin_Mervin
01-06-2006, 14:54
Ah. Bit far away for my suggestion then.
:oops:
Tis a shame - bet you wernt best pleased when you picked it up.
The roof and bonnet look worse.
How thick is the paint lol - did they not thin it down ?
Hope you get it sorted soon mate - might be best to get the shell shot blasted to remove it all before you get it refinished.
id try some g3 and a mop mate!?
Swervin_Mervin
01-06-2006, 14:59
Whats that?
Somewhere in Chester I'm just about to ring myself. Comes recommended by Irish Nut. Former Williams employee works there and from what I've heard so far it's pretty impressive.
3kgrit W&D is better then G3 Riki, well makes life easier anyway ;)
I will W&D it, PC polish it with Sonus SFX 1/2/3.
ok mate i was just goin off the pic, looks like alot of work for 3k grit :(
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/?action=view¤t=DSC02045.jpg
Oh my god....
Dont look that bad from far.... but when its close up it looks like they chucked a tin of paint over the top!
I'd cry if my car came out like that!
Cheap is cheap but u dont expect a complete bodge job do ya!
No offence to anyone here lads - but i hope you didnt pay anything for the work done ? and came to a suitable conclusion when you went to collect it.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/DSC02071.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/DSC02032.jpg
I wouldnt bother trying to work with the new paint - get the shell stripped and get the car shot blasted and primered to remove it all.
No offence to anyone here lads - but i hope you didnt pay anything for the work done ? and came to a suitable conclusion when you went to collect it.
I wouldnt bother trying to work with the new paint - get the shell stripped and get the car shot blasted and primered to remove it all.
Yes I did pay for it Northy, £200 less then was asked.
But that was not because of the job, it was because the quote had risen £200 since booking the car in with them.
I'm hoping once the laquer is cut back it will look 100x better.
But I will give it a go myself before trying anyone else, I have been refurbing my Willy over this week and there looking great.
I have a spare drivers door in the garage that I will practise on 1st
Sneak Peek of my wheels ;)
In this pic the laquer had only just dried and needs to cure for 7 days before I can rub it down and get rid of the 'Orange Peel' look.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/DSC02125.jpg
Jesus that's bad. Still, those wheels look fookin nice 8)
Terrible!
But the wheels look very good.
im not even trying to be funny but.....WTF!!!!! :shock:
i hope you didnt even pay 1/2 of the bill. shocking finish, scratches runs etc. I
f i had a garage to work on my car in i could have done a better job with rattle cans! :roll:
Does show you get what you pay for!
theweekendhaslanded
01-06-2006, 15:35
you want to get your money back! thats poor!!
The wheels look wicked....
Was the paint job really cheap then? I mean i payed £600 for my nova to be resprayed and the finish was excellent!
Paid about £1,100 on the clio but i had loads of work done on top with the kit, smoothing, de-locking etc!
Well what can you say to that!! Scratched paint is unforgivable, given the fact that you have a car resprayed to remove them in the first place!
It looks better than my crock of scrap but :shock:
Well thats done it then I'm just gonna have to get mine done bit by bit - arches first then save up for remaining bodywork...
I have no idea where to go now or what to pay lol.
I'd like to see you diy job - I have a feeling it would come out quite good!
Do you prefer the colour though?
Again - No offence ment to anyone involved
But its gone from this
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/DSC01748.jpg
to this ???
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8831/car18bc.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1388/car77cf.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9505/car87vx.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8545/car112dr.jpg
Andyvalver
01-06-2006, 15:57
:( Unlucky fella. He sprayed over the bump strips :?
:( Unlucky fella. He sprayed over the bump strips :?
No mate......just the Dimma fuel cap and the surface rust
On and I love the colour :)
How much is a 2nd shell likely to cost me? Preferably a 432 willy one?
Andyvalver
01-06-2006, 16:01
:( Unlucky fella. He sprayed over the bump strips :?
No mate......just the Dimma fuel cap and the surface rust
On and I love the colour :)
lol unlucky mate
What process would be involved in cutting back the laquer?
My doors look like that after i resprayed them.
Original Paint (Back 1/4)
New Paint (Door)
http://www.zen32679.zen.co.uk/01010042.JPG
http://www.zen32679.zen.co.uk/01010046.JPG
That was done at the start of the year so its had time to cure, ive also t-cutted it and polished/waxxed it loads since and still look crap :(
Did u want the fuel cap sprayed over?!
Recomended then... :lol: i can't see the pics till i get home but ill say this..
you may not be able to flat it back yet as i don't think it was baked.. correct me if im wrong. you might have to leave it for a whilt in the sun.. ;)
so come on how much... £500.. higher or lower :wink:
What process would be involved in cutting back the laquer?
My doors look like that after i resprayed them.
Original Paint (Back 1/4)
New Paint (Door)
That was done at the start of the year so its had time to cure, ive also t-cutted it and polished/waxxed it loads since and still look crap :(
Gently use a wet and dry (2500 or 3000 grit), make sure you keep it nice and wet and you wipe it clean often so you dont go too deep
Then polish the scratches out with something like Sonus SFX1, then SFX2 and finish on SFX3 and then seal and wax it.
Is a daunting task but you can get some great results from it.
[quote="Flan"]whilt in the sun.. [quote]
Whilt eh?
Did u want the fuel cap sprayed over?!
Not really....No
However, I was comtemplating sticking it on fleabay and getting a standard one.
Made my mind up for me I suppose..........standard it is then :lol:
While :lol: :lol:
although it looks like the paint has wilted.. :P
It looks bloody awful!
I mean who would actually want it sprayed over... and bodged as much as it was!
Get a new one! :D
Recomended then... :lol: i can't see the pics till i get home but ill say this..
you may not be able to flat it back yet as i don't think it was baked.. correct me if im wrong. you might have to leave it for a whilt in the sun.. ;)
so come on how much... £500.. higher or lower :wink:
No im certain it wasnt baked either, It has had a week now and im going to leave it another 7 to 10 days before I get started.
Was quoted £300......they wanted £500 when I went to pick it up.....I paid £300
£300 to f*ck up a good lookin car... I say thats a shite deal hun! :D
clowo16v
01-06-2006, 16:17
Thats shocking looks like when I sprayed the rear 1/4 on mine with rattle cans. I let it dry then cut it back with 2000 grit and T cutted it and it looks the biz. Only prob is its better than the other paint on the car, and the metallic bits have floated more where i've rattle canned it.
Matt
No offence, but are you sure it wasnt 300 banana's rather than 300 quid you should have paid them? :roll:
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
there's someone who doesn't no how to paint.... Laqure (sp) is ment to flow on like water and give a glass finish... not sandpaper.
bet they ****ed up the metalic aswell with one coat, not one dry one wet. Amatures... :roll:
Andyvalver
01-06-2006, 16:26
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
:lol:
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
there's someone who doesn't no how to paint.... Laqure (sp) is ment to flow on like water and give a glass finish... not sandpaper.
bet they f**ked up the metalic aswell with one coat, not one dry one wet. Amatures... :roll:
Funny you should say that..............Quote taken from email received by Graham
'Anyway I have a new partner who is an experienced body and paint man and done his time at Aston Martin.'
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
there's someone who doesn't no how to paint.... Laqure (sp) is ment to flow on like water and give a glass finish... not sandpaper.
bet they f**ked up the metalic aswell with one coat, not one dry one wet. Amatures... :roll:
Funny you should say that..............Quote taken from email received by Graham
'Anyway I have a new partner who is an experienced body and paint man and done his time at Aston Martin.'
HA HA HA HA HA HA :lol:
O thats made my day!
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
there's someone who doesn't no how to paint.... Laqure (sp) is ment to flow on like water and give a glass finish... not sandpaper.
bet they f**ked up the metalic aswell with one coat, not one dry one wet. Amatures... :roll:
Funny you should say that..............Quote taken from email received by Graham
'Anyway I have a new partner who is an experienced body and paint man and done his time at Aston Martin.'
HA HA HA HA HA HA :lol:
O thats made my day!
Is Aston Martin a prison? :lol: .......sorry I shouldnt :oops:
Just seen the pics... f*ck me
Stevie Wonder school of painting...
there's someone who doesn't no how to paint.... Laqure (sp) is ment to flow on like water and give a glass finish... not sandpaper.
bet they f**ked up the metalic aswell with one coat, not one dry one wet. Amatures... :roll:
Funny you should say that..............Quote taken from email received by Graham
'Anyway I have a new partner who is an experienced body and paint man and done his time at Aston Martin.'
Was that after yours was done? :shock:
seriously i can't paint but i did my rocker cover and its 10timee better than that...
You paint looks like my bonnet. hence why im makin fiberglass ones...
you got allot of work to flat that back... your a braver man than me...
gonna take agggggggges
£500 is cheap but i can't belive that...
looks like they used a roller... :roll:
Justin..
01-06-2006, 17:12
No offence to anyone here lads - but i hope you didnt pay anything for the work done ? and came to a suitable conclusion when you went to collect it.
I wouldnt bother trying to work with the new paint - get the shell stripped and get the car shot blasted and primered to remove it all.
Yes I did pay for it Northy, £200 less then was asked.
But that was not because of the job, it was because the quote had risen £200 since booking the car in with them.
I'm hoping once the laquer is cut back it will look 100x better.
But I will give it a go myself before trying anyone else, I have been refurbing my Willy over this week and there looking great.
I have a spare drivers door in the garage that I will practise on 1st
Sneak Peek of my wheels ;)
In this pic the laquer had only just dried and needs to cure for 7 days before I can rub it down and get rid of the 'Orange Peel' look.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/DSC02125.jpg
when i lacquered my wheels, i found that the colder the laquer the less orange peel effect it left, that was with rattle cans from halfruads
Scott-16v!
01-06-2006, 17:44
That really is a shockingly shit paint job :shock: :o
Your wheels on the other hand look great, similar colour to mine by the looks of it 8)
smokey do you have a PC polisher mate? im from ely near cambs and have one if you wanted me to give it a going over
Mr.AdamB
01-06-2006, 17:57
o dear.... thats paint job is BAD :shock:
Mr.AdamB
01-06-2006, 17:57
o dear.... thats paint job is BAD :shock:
Mr.AdamB
01-06-2006, 17:57
o dear.... thats paint job is BAD :shock:
wtf, i heard nothing but good reports before this, am confused, surely something went wrong somewhere along the line to give this result?! :?
cuz thats a dreadful job
That really is a shockingly s**t paint job :shock: :o
Your wheels on the other hand look great, similar colour to mine by the looks of it 8)
Peugeot Cossack Grey mate from halfrauds
I am finding the same Naples with my wheels, shame I cant say the same about the car :(
Coops.....Pics were taken 2 hrs after picking it up
thats a crying shame that, thought JR's pa was onto a winner.
on the flip side ur wheels look seriously awesome mate, pm me ur refurb process? am about to tackle some willy wheels into a lovely shade of white....well when i finally get hold of em! :wink:
Scott-16v!
01-06-2006, 18:15
That really is a shockingly s**t paint job :shock: :o
Your wheels on the other hand look great, similar colour to mine by the looks of it 8)
Peugeot Cossack Grey mate from halfrauds
Not quite the same then, i did mine in Rover ( :oops: ) gunmetal grey
Justin..
01-06-2006, 18:16
thats a crying shame that, thought JR's pa was onto a winner.
on the flip side ur wheels look seriously awesome mate, pm me ur refurb process? am about to tackle some willy wheels into a lovely shade of white....well when i finally get hold of em! :wink:
hey i did a guide on here how i did mine a while back 8)
was it stickied matey? otherwise its lost in the midsts of time!! i cudnt see it on quick sticky browse just?
Justin..
01-06-2006, 18:24
ill bump it :lol: :wink:
Justin..
01-06-2006, 18:27
jobs a goodun :wink:
i'm sorry but the only way to describe that job is awful. paints too thick and the facilities used were obviously inadequate for the job and theres no excuses for runs and scratches on a 'new' paint job.
no offence to gav but i would be telling your dad off it is was me! hope his mechanics are better than his spray jobs!
VIPERONE
01-06-2006, 19:29
That is shite, it reallly is a gash job, i'd be so gutted, thanks for posting up Smokey.
I reckon i could do a better job with a can
crap thats shocking... and i was thinking about sending mine there, not anymore though!
i enquired about having mine resprayed to make it look minty fresh, dont think ill be going for it now, cheers for the heads up Smokey, sorry to hear about your car, im sure though the guy will read this thread and sort you out, or at least he should..
donsrno1
01-06-2006, 21:22
thats shit, can't believe how poor a job he has done of it. I would probably have flipped if I got there and he tried to charge me £200 more than the original quote with the car looking like that. Just as well you posted this up as it will warn others not to use him.
MattyH16valver
01-06-2006, 21:41
:shock: savage m8!
That is shite, it reallly is a gash job, i'd be so gutted, thanks for posting up Smokey.
I reckon i could do a better job with a can
No worries mate.
Not gutted really, just annoyed that I should of known.
Even so, cheap or not.............You'd expect a better job if told a Aston sprayer was working on it.
I wasnt even expecting a perfect finish just an ok finish to make it look tidyier then it did.
As you said...... I reckon I could get a better spray job out of rattle cans, so im going to try if cutting it back wont work.
Am going to spray my spare drivers door this weekend as a trial.
Cheers for the comments about the wheels, i'm dead chuffed with them, there sat baking under 2 x twin screwfix halogen lights and its like an oven in my garage :lol:
lol - hope they don't think your producing anything in there!!
VIPERONE
01-06-2006, 22:23
LOL..
a cannabis farm...
It'll pay for the respray! :wink:
Hmm mine is booked in tomorrow :S
Your ill... you can't make it....
VIPERONE
01-06-2006, 22:32
youve seen the pics on here...
Dancliovalver
01-06-2006, 22:37
i must say that is pretty bad!!
in defence to gavs old man thou, the last one he did was fookin mint!!
but obviously there was a problem somewhere!!
Hmm ron is in nottingham isnt he, not too far from me :S
Dancliovalver
01-06-2006, 22:44
yes matey i think ur right, go take a look, i had a look at that car and its just as good as any other respray
could it be something to do with the paint :?:
will try and get in contact with him
Smokey, all i can say mate is on behalf of my dads company im sorry.
The part in this thread where it is quoted by my dad saying he had employed a pro sprayer, well that isnt a lie to you, it was a lie to my dad. He was told that this guy was a sprayer and worked for Aston Martin.
I dont have much more to say fella, again sorry it turned out like that.
But, you did seem happy with it when you was in front of the car, why not tell my dad there and then that you wasnt happy with it insted of fronting a smile?
but either way, this 'pro sprayer' no longer works for my dad and because my dad hasnt had car spraying lessons he isnt going to take that on but stick to his roots and do mechanics.
again, in some way i appriciate that you have shown the public, but it would of been good if you could of contacted my dad aswell
i have to agree with this, after meeting graham he did seem a very genuine guy, and what i saw of the prelaqure job it looked good.
Although they do say the laqure is the hardest part
well tbh this 'pro sprayer' is a complete cunt, he has vanished off the planet now, he owes my old man for materials and we cant get in touch with him as he is ignoring his calls.
but as said he has now been sacked, and my dad doesnt do spraying so i doubt any more will be done until my dad finds someone he can trust
with a cv and references :wink:
smokey should get his money back either way. at the end of the day what was a very clean example is now in tatters and he still has to get it sorted at more cost to himself. garages need to take more responsibility in these situations, they are liable for all the costs imo
Or at least an offer to put it right :(
The other option i guess would be to offer to put it right for him once you get someone who knows how to spray :S
smokey should get his money back either way. at the end of the day what was a very clean example is now in tatters and he still has to get it sorted at more cost to himself. garages need to take more responsibility in these situations, they are liable for all the costs imo
agree. garages normally have insurance to cover things like this. that way everyone is happy, smokey would get his money back at the very least (if not some compensation), williams-jr's dad could claim for his loss due to materials that this "pro sprayer" has used etc.
tbh - its always a risk getting things on the cheap! :cry:
Make sure you get the con man's name. He will get hired again by another unsuspecting workshop and wreak havoc on other people's car. A guy with such poor quality of work deserves to be blacklisted.
References and examples of work from the new guy might help!
I know when my ex went for spraying jobs he had to show them how he works before he got the job!
Accidents do happen.... but if my mums garage had produced something like that they would contact the owner and say its not gone to plan... you can come and take it as it is for free or we will put it right but we need it for another week etc!
holy moly, that is terrible!
I know now in the spraying world, you get what you pay for!!!
Well..................I have just been to see 2 'Professional' bodyshops (Gladwins & Splash) in St-Ives and they have both said its 100% completely ****ed the whole shell and every panel!
Not a single panel can be saved and it will need stripping back to bare metal (shot blasted) and started again.
They have quoted me £1200 & £1400 respectively for putting it right :evil:
They also gave me a number to contact should I wish to take legal action...... However I told them it would not come to that.
I will await to see if Whitestar contact me and offer me a refund before I even think about taking it any further.
Gav - I didnt say anything to you when I collected it because as you know I had just had a mare of a 4hr train journey (which should of taken 1hr 15 mins), no food all day, had 1hr 30 mins to get home from Birmingham to Cambridge at 4:45pm (which takes over an hour on a good day with no traffic) in rush hour traffic as the mrs was going to work and needed the car.
I had just spent £40 on a train ticket because I was told the night before that it was ready for collection the following day but when I turned up your dad had only just laquered the bonnet (overspray on wings/lights/roof/windscreen/sunroof/bumper/grill/light brows) and it was soaking wet. for your dad to expect me to drive it home 80 odd miles with a soaking wet freshly laquered (1hr ish previous) is not on imo.
because of that I had no intention of leaving it there another minute......Dont get me wrong, I wasnt expecting a great job but an acceptable job isnt too much to ask is it?
I am not slating your dad or yourself dude, but to take my money for that is far from on.
I hope we can get this sorted amicably and in a timely fashion to save as much disruption to myself and especially my mrs as she is having to use her mums car as she does not want to drive the Hybrid in the state its in.
I am currently trying to buy another shell as I believe this will be the cheapest option (depending on its condition of course)
Sorry it came to this Gav
Smokey
£1,200 is a good quote for the ammount of work which has to be done to fix it.... its just such a shame u gotta fork out on it when u cud have had a proper respray done for about £800....
Was the car even rubbed down and prep'd? It looks like its been sprayed over the old paint! :(
Hope u get it all sorted soon smokey.... I think a refund should definately be offered.... Especially now u gotta go without the car again for it to be sorted
FOOKIN ELL smokey!
That is bad news! :cry:
Can you claim on your car insurance, as well as getting money back from williams-jr's dad? This is such an un-just thing! :cry:
Hope it all gets sorted soon! :? :roll:
FOOKIN ELL smokey!
That is bad news! :cry:
Can you claim on your car insurance, as well as getting money back from williams-jr's dad? This is such an un-just thing! :cry:
Hope it all gets sorted soon! :? :roll:
Nope I cant claim on the insurance Stew because I took the car off o fthere premises :evil:
I could pour paint stripper on it and claim but if found out I would be ****ed, I could also set alight to the car in the fens but again if caught I would be royally ****ed and i's lose the whole car + modifications.
Shit thats really bad, mines in for a cheap respray at the mo...got me worrying now :?
That's a sh*t paint job mate, I'd get ur money back asap!
Why did it need doin anyway mate, car looked in good condition before the respray?
That's a sh*t paint job mate, I'd get ur money back asap!
Why did it need doin anyway mate, car looked in good condition before the respray?
Car had well over 100 stone chips on the bonnet leading edge, about the same on the bumper, and about 20 on each wing.
Deep scratches on the doors and rear wing, dinks in both doors, boot, rear 1/4's and rust under my rear bump strip which was painted straight over without even being rubbed down :shock:
It just looked really tatty and I wanted to spruce it up a bit.........at least the stone chips have gone lol
the car was fully prepped smokey, that i can say because i saw it in prepping state
people are saying my dad isnt offering to do anything etc etc
well, smokey hasnt even got in touch with my dad so how is he to know?
I hardly see him now so apart from a phone call i cant do much else, but that isnt my job, its smokey's, if he isnt happy then he should phone my dad and my dad will fix it/sort it for you because he doesnt like to see people unhappy. But dam dude, i wish you had sed something there and then so something could of been sorted, my dad isnt a harsh bloke, he would of listened to you then come to an arrangement. But, you have posted now so whats done is done but you really shud contact my dad about this and let people know what he says.
And the reason the jobs are cheap is to get more business [mechanics also] not because of the quality of the job. My dad was expecting a good job from this sprayer thats why he took ur car on. but now he isnt with the company so my dad isnt taking any more paint jobs on.
but, i dont work for the company, i just visit from time to time. What goes on there isnt to do with me. So i cant do anything but tell him, you need to contact him.
Yes i did phone up Graham today, he didnt seem to know anything about it.
As i was due to have mine sprayed aswell and drop it off today, so it might be worth talking to him smokey as i he said you were happy with the finish.
I think its a case of crossed wires at the moment and he really doesnt know you are unhappy with it
But come on..... anyone can see its a state..... he must have known it was a mess of a job!
Im not disputing that fact, why im not taking mine down now, but he said smokey seemed pleased with the job so i think your best off just giving him a ring smokey and sorting it.
Although if you were driving it wet that might have added to how bad it looks
the car was fully prepped smokey, that i can say because i saw it in prepping state
people are saying my dad isnt offering to do anything etc etc
well, smokey hasnt even got in touch with my dad so how is he to know?
I hardly see him now so apart from a phone call i cant do much else, but that isnt my job, its smokey's, if he isnt happy then he should phone my dad and my dad will fix it/sort it for you because he doesnt like to see people unhappy. But dam dude, i wish you had sed something there and then so something could of been sorted, my dad isnt a harsh bloke, he would of listened to you then come to an arrangement. But, you have posted now so whats done is done but you really shud contact my dad about this and let people know what he says.
And the reason the jobs are cheap is to get more business [mechanics also] not because of the quality of the job. My dad was expecting a good job from this sprayer thats why he took ur car on. but now he isnt with the company so my dad isnt taking any more paint jobs on.
but, i dont work for the company, i just visit from time to time. What goes on there isnt to do with me. So i cant do anything but tell him, you need to contact him.
Gav - 1st things 1st........You dont do anything up there? What about prepping my car? On clio 16valver you state that you was doing the prep work on my car.
Anyway, thats not what i am bothered about........im not here to point the finger and lay blame on anyones shoulders.....as a proportion of the blame is my own fault.
I have not spoken to your dad because I dont know what I want to do as of yet, but no doubt I will have to contact him soon with my proposed resolution i.e another respray (at a bodyshop of my choice) or to reshell it.
Either way im looking at £1k plus and will want compensating for this.
I have just spoken to our underwriters (NIG) and they are not confident my claim will be accepted and they suggested small claims court...........However my mrs (who is a solicitor) said this will be a long drawn out process for both parties and will cause a lot of agro which im sure I do not want and im certain your dad will not want this either.
I am off to get another quote this afternoon for a respray and will let you know what they say.
Yes i did phone up Graham today, he didnt seem to know anything about it.
As i was due to have mine sprayed aswell and drop it off today, so it might be worth talking to him smokey as i he said you were happy with the finish.
I think its a case of crossed wires at the moment and he really doesnt know you are unhappy with it
Who was going to spray your car today if they have sacked the Sprayer?? :?
noone is going to spray Allans car, as far as i know it isnt going to my dads company anymore.
Smokey im sure all this can be ressolved outside of courts, not like my dad is saying he wont fix it.
Yea i did do some prep work on ur car, but not loads and im still not working for my dad, i was lending a hand.
Smoke, jst contact my dad mate and tell him ur not happy, u dont have to have a speech ready and u dont have to know where u wanna go with it but u need to let him know ur not happy dude :)
Fook a dook!
£1200-1400 to fix eh, half and half then?
Hmmm.... Good Luck Smokey.... Hope u get it looking how it should soon :D
The thing is all the paint underneith will be soft as sh*t and need rubbing back. every pannel is bolloxed.
You would be better of sourcing 2nd hand bonnet,bumpers,doors,boot..ect then rubbing back the body.
If i owned the company and it came out the booth lookin like that it would go straight back in.... Just look at the roof.. there is no excuse for it not being a perfec flat finish.... it settles itself.. its bloody FLAT!!!
seriously did the painter have dark glasses and a white stick!!!! :roll:
Good point! Did u meet the "Painter" Smokey?!
What part is this?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/smokey182/Hybrid/Re-Spray/DSC02076.jpg
Its horrendous..... :evil:
^^^ gap between the sunroof and the roof rails :roll:
OH MY GOD..... How manky! :cry:
OH MY GOD..... How manky! :cry:
Little bit like yoursel......
No wait :wink:
The thing is all the paint underneith will be soft as sh*t and need rubbing back. every pannel is bolloxed.
You would be better of sourcing 2nd hand bonnet,bumpers,doors,boot..ect then rubbing back the body.
If i owned the company and it came out the booth lookin like that it would go straight back in.... Just look at the roof.. there is no excuse for it not being a perfec flat finish.... it settles itself.. its bloody FLAT!!!
seriously did the painter have dark glasses and a white stick!!!! :roll:
**** rubbing it back, now i've been told by 3 bodyshops the paint underneath the laquer is ****ed also, its a waste of my time rubbing it back.
I'm just gonna buy a barrel of Nitromorse and douse the ****er in it lol.
Never saw the painter by the way.
As Daz said, thats the roof Clio b
OH MY GOD..... How manky! :cry:
Little bit like yoursel......
No wait :wink:
OI....! :(
Laine_16v
02-06-2006, 16:44
I saw this car before the laquer went on, the paint looked perfectly fine :cry:
Where did it all go wrong :cry:
Andyvalver
02-06-2006, 16:54
OH MY GOD..... How manky! :cry:
Little bit like yoursel......
No wait :wink:
OI....! :(
:lol:
The base coat gives a matt finish so it will always look ok ish...
it all went wrong from the start... BUT if the base was ok it could be the guy put the lacure (sp) on waaaay to dry. its weird to put on.. you need a well lit area and spray it on to make it flow like water... he just splattered it on..
Smokey.... get the DA on it and take it back to the metal... :wink:
but first try flattin it back IF its got enough laqure.. :roll:
right peeps can we stop vindicating certain people (gav williams jr) as he has stated in his previous posts its nothing to do with him.best bet is to contact his father to get this sorted! im sure his dad is not out to knock ya smokey.but contact him so you can get this sorted which from previous posts by WJ is what his father wants you to do! :D
smokey my dad will be on ur side, and u 2 can sort it out. so phone him and see how it goes
OH MY GOD..... How manky! :cry:
Little bit like yoursel......
No wait :wink:
OI....! :(
Heheheheheh
My apologies Chucky Bee....
Send me a dirty pic just to prove it mind :wink:
right peeps can we stop vindicating certain people (gav williams jr) as he has stated in his previous posts its nothing to do with him.best bet is to contact his father to get this sorted! im sure his dad is not out to knock ya smokey.but contact him so you can get this sorted which from previous posts by WJ is what his father wants you to do! :D
i agree, its not fair dragging Gav into it as a middle man, he was just advertising his pa's business as a favour for his old man. this need a amicable phone call to get sorted, not a load of bitchin on cyberspace! 8)
Danny-ACE!
03-06-2006, 01:30
I dont think this should have been on the forum so early mate. You should have tried to sort it out first before making it public.
Sorry about your car. I hope you get it sorted.
VIPERONE
03-06-2006, 06:17
I dont think this should have been on the forum so early mate. You should have tried to sort it out first before making it public.
Sorry about your car. I hope you get it sorted.
bollox im glad he posted it early.. several members may have gone for work.
Health and safety, Tax, Small claims.. lol j/k call his old man.. see what solution is offered.
where do you live smokey
can recomend a sprayer the bloke is amasing few of our lads of been up
based in the n/w pm me if you want details and you get a williamsclio discount :D
where do you live smokey
can recomend a sprayer the bloke is amasing few of our lads of been up
based in the n/w pm me if you want details and you get a williamsclio discount :D
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where do you live smokey
can recomend a sprayer the bloke is amasing few of our lads of been up
based in the n/w pm me if you want details and you get a williamsclio discount :D
a few lads???
that mean u n ur kid?? lol
;)
no few others son
think danny on route as well
the paintwork in th epics is shockin.......but as said....it needs to be put on the forum to let prospective customers know that this is how their car could turn out. im sure if the garage involved got it sorted, then there would be a thread to show this too.
but also there needs to be communication between the place that did it and the customer.
f
if that had been my car i would be well pissed by now
if that had been my car i would be well pissed by now
needs to move first :wink: :lol:
There is no reason why they shouldnt fix this or pay for it to be fixed...
They will have insurance to cover it.....
Its just sad that they would let something in that state go out of their garage :oops: :evil:
Wouldn't be so sure on the insurance i think its his dad just a 1 man band type thing with a unit, so more then likely out of his own pocket
no allan he is legit, he has insurance afaik
and clio b, ok we have established the car looks rough, ****in give it a rest will you and stop tryin to bring it up
If u got a problem pm me... dont swear at me on here....
steveos_16valver
04-06-2006, 09:44
now now!!
at the end of the day yea its a bad job as we can all see ,but smokey you need to contact gav's dad to see what hes willing to do about it
i agree with fatboy every 1 needs to stop taking it out on gav as he doesent even work there as he said hes just pluging it for heis old man
smokey call his dad and see whats going on its the only way to get it sorted at the end of the day he might pay you some dollar but at the end of the day you left with the vehicle so you dont really have a leg to stand on but i would have thought gavs dad would compensate you in some way as he sounds like a good man
can i ask how much did you pay for the job as you said it wascheap how cheap ??
Laine_16v
04-06-2006, 10:11
now now!!
at the end of the day yea its a bad job as we can all see ,but smokey you need to contact gav's dad to see what hes willing to do about it
i agree with fatboy every 1 needs to stop taking it out on gav as he doesent even work there as he said hes just pluging it for heis old man
smokey call his dad and see whats going on its the only way to get it sorted at the end of the day he might pay you some dollar but at the end of the day you left with the vehicle so you dont really have a leg to stand on but i would have thought gavs dad would compensate you in some way as he sounds like a good man
can i ask how much did you pay for the job as you said it wascheap how cheap ??
He payed £300, althought during the respray time the quote rose from £300 to £500, but he only payed to the £300.
steveos_16valver
04-06-2006, 10:35
dam that was cheap man but like gav said it was to get the business up and running but still should have come out better than that tho
whats done is done
i feel for you smokey good luck tho fella good luck in how ever you resolve you issues
FWIW, this thread makes me glad I hang around williamsclio. On any other car forum on the planet, this would have gotten far, far uglier than the 5 pages here. When bad things happen to good people, this is the way it should be.
Now, get some dialogue going between the right people and come to some amicable arrangement. So, that we can all get back to the mud slinging. :D
FWIW, this thread makes me glad I hang around williamsclio. On any other car forum on the planet, this would have gotten far, far uglier than the 5 pages here. When bad things happen to good people, this is the way it should be.
Now, get some dialogue going between the right people and come to some amicable arrangement. So, that we can all get back to the mud slinging. :D
^^^ That I agree totally with...
Dancliovalver
04-06-2006, 11:43
now now!!
at the end of the day yea its a bad job as we can all see ,but smokey you need to contact gav's dad to see what hes willing to do about it
i agree with fatboy every 1 needs to stop taking it out on gav as he doesent even work there as he said hes just pluging it for heis old man
smokey call his dad and see whats going on its the only way to get it sorted at the end of the day he might pay you some dollar but at the end of the day you left with the vehicle so you dont really have a leg to stand on but i would have thought gavs dad would compensate you in some way as he sounds like a good man
can i ask how much did you pay for the job as you said it wascheap how cheap ??
very well sed mate totally agree with you!!!
its not gavs fault, and in some ways not even his old mans fault, shit happens!
Agreed its not Gavs fault but his Dad should have questioned it when it came out the booth...
BUT he did only pay £300 which to be fair wasn't gonna be the best paint job but it takes the same amount of time to put on good paint as it does bad.
I no smokey said he got quotes of £1200 to fix BUT thats a bit unfair if your askin gavs old man to pay all of it, because then you will have a MINT paintjob for £300 :?
I would think it fair to go 50:50 on the car re-spray
but thats just my opinion.... 8)
steveos_16valver
05-06-2006, 19:13
yea in some way i agree with shouldnt pay for it all but at the end of the day smokey was expecting a good paint job (as any 1 would) and its come out worse than it went in may as well of painted 7 different colours its a shame really
imo i would be honestly looking to take the car back to gavs dad and let him have it to get it sorted at his cost as its there mess up they should really fix it imo any way
fair enought it was cheap as the budgie but should have at least got a half decent job at least no runs on dam
how about we all just drop it now and let smokey and my dad sort it out?? :wink:
steveos_16valver
05-06-2006, 19:16
good idea but let us know how it gets sorted guys
LaurenGTI
05-06-2006, 19:42
how about we all just drop it now and let smokey and my dad sort it out?? :wink:
Now that sounds like a good idea...not for any of us to get involved really! :)
the garage could buy the valver off me, get it minted an painted for smokey....will cost him less than it will to try sort out smokeys car.
just another option ;)
nah cuz i guarentee [s/p] my old man is not paying over £1000 to fix a £300 spray job.
I dont know what he will do but smokey will get his money back, but thats all.
If he had gone somewhere else and got a mint spray job ur lookin at over 1k anyway, so with his £300 back he is back at square one and can go to some place else and spend that kind of money
But he wont be back at square one will he... cause its buggered the car so much that it'll cost a load more money now to fix it...
But as said... its down to Smokey to fix it with ur dad... we just all hope that it gets sorted and dont cost Smokey too much!
But he wont be back at square one will he... cause its buggered the car so much that it'll cost a load more money now to fix it...
But as said... its down to Smokey to fix it with ur dad... we just all hope that it gets sorted and dont cost Smokey too much!
no, he takes it to a bodyshop and then they sand it down and prep it, as does every bodyshop.
and as said, can we drop it now, and leave it between smokey and my dad let them two sort it it doesnt concern you clio b nor anyone else. Im sure one of us will be in touch with what happens
Smokey - Hope u get it sorted soon mate
Gav - Nothing i've said was in any way personal to u... And sorry u've taken it that way
Right i'm taking over here boys and girls [-X
Possible time for a thread lock? This is waaaaaaaay off topic now
Hey they're all up there 8)
hang on....voice of reason here.
Not trying to take a stab, because i have abide by the same unwritten laws.
Post on a forum about something that you or someone you reccomend can do, irrespective of cost.....and it goes tits up.....why can that same forum not discuss the issue, especially since at the moment money has transferred hands.
because everyone now knows the job went tits up
and if it is locked it can still be viewed
but there is no more reason for ppl to keep going on and on
when smokey and my dad have come to an arrangement im sure he will let u know
in a seperate thread
Your right Ben thats exactly what should happen - I think the cars been forgotten about in the last few posts though and the handbags are at full swing!
When Smokey has been in contact and discussed the matter with Whitestar they're may be something relevant to discuss...
Don't see why it should be locked. Apart from Jr telling Clio b to feast on some excrement (pretty uncalled for :shock: ), there's been no nastiness.
If it's nothing to do with you Jr, as you keep telling us, it's as much to do with Clio b as it is with you. All people are doing is offering their opinion on how things should be resolved. As Ben said, take the rough with the smooth :)
true but everyone keeps repeating others now, and 6 pages is gettin on a bit does everyone not agree? lets just await to see smokeys reply when something has been sorted guys and gals :wink:
Right, to set the record straight!
A: I do not want this to be locked.....As Ben said its a public forum for discussing the good, the bad and the ugly.
B: Gav.....Stop with the childish comments (or at least keep them to PM please)
C: I will not be happy with just my £300 back......I am seeing where I stand legally before contacting Whitestar.....So far I have been told that I will be able to get my £300 back + a minimum of 50% of a full respray at a bodyshop of my request.......However if I want to fight it I am likely to get the full 100% paid for.
D: Whitestar should by law have insurance to cover damage to customers property as I do for my Valeting company......If I scratched a customers Porsche/Rarri/Merc while valeting it I do not just say I will just give you your £40 valeting fee back and thats it......I am expected to pay for its repair (at a place of the customers choice) out of my own pocket or my insurance companies depending on if I want to make a claim or not.
E: Yes it was a cheap spray job....but again as with my valeting I do not say sorry I scratched your Porsche but you should of taken the Gold £80 Valet rather then the Silver £40
F: My car will not be going back to Whitestar for its repair.
I hope that has cleared up some points made
Thanks for all your comments and fingers crossed I can get it sorted out in the near future.
good luck sortin it out mate.
hope it goes smoothly n pretty much hassle free.
well to let u know as far as iam aware he does have insurance.
but also, if you decide you do want to go down the crazy route of courts and all that then its going to take a long time and cost you alot of money because i have 3 lawyers that will defend the case under the company i work for name.
I dont want it to go that way, you hopefully dont, and nor my dad. But he doesnt have solicitors etc, but smokey u do, ur girlfriend iirc or whoever.
So lets see how it goes, but i wouldnt expect it to be over within a week if u do decide to go the court route, because i will use all 3 lawyers, and it doesnt cost me nothing.
i want too see ur car fixed mate, i really do. But im sure this can be ressolved without legal action.
well to let u know as far as iam aware he does have insurance.
but also, if you decide you do want to go down the crazy route of courts and all that then its going to take a long time and cost you alot of money because i have 3 lawyers that will defend the case under the company i work for name.
I dont want it to go that way, you hopefully dont, and nor my dad. But he doesnt have solicitors etc, but smokey u do, ur girlfriend iirc or whoever.
So lets see how it goes, but i wouldnt expect it to be over within a week if u do decide to go the court route, because i will use all 3 lawyers, and it doesnt cost me nothing.
i want too see ur car fixed mate, i really do. But im sure this can be ressolved without legal action.
Dont make me laugh Gav
My mrs works for http://www.taylorvinters.com/ in Cambridge who have 300+ Lawyers/Barristers/Locom's working for them.
Here, just for you......I will have my own 'Commercial disputes' team working on my case as this is a 'commercial dispute'
http://www.taylorvinters.com/services/commercial_disputes.html
Want to meet my own personal team? http://www.taylorvinters.com/default.asp?MIS=133
The cost does not matter to me....As you are probably aware Im not poor!
I am going to pay for the repair out of my own pocket and claim it back one way or the other once it has been sorted.
I have been advised this could get nasty (hence why I have not contacted your dad) and could take 6 months+
However the longer the better for me really as I will also claim compensation.
Should I win, your dad will have to pay my legal expenses should i lose my legal representation is free and I will just pay your dads legal expenses.
The longer it takes the more it costs...... Just for your info my mrs hourly rate through Taylor Vinters is £95ph
P.s Why do you need 3 Lawyers? Are they all that bad :wink:
P.p.s What area of Law do they specialise in?
like he said he is seeing where he stands legally before he contacts them, ie he's making sure what he asks for is within the law before shouting the odds.
no need to start the 'my dad is bigger than your dad' shit by saying you have 3 lawyers to his 1 mate is there? in addition that doesnt mean anything if the 1 lawyer is better than all 3 of yours put together and various other combinations that could be had out of that lot, tbh like people have said discuss the outcome of the job but leave the legalities to the people it involves (ie your dad and smokey) end of story.
No offence mate but that's a pretty childish statement 'I have 3 lawyers' and 'it don't cost me nothing'
Anyway this has gone on for too long, smokey have you actually spoke to his dad yet? If he claims on his insurance there shouldn't be any need for court fees, lawyers etc
like he said he is seeing where he stands legally before he contacts them, ie he's making sure what he asks for is within the law before shouting the odds.
no need to start the 'my dad is bigger than your dad' s**t by saying you have 3 lawyers to his 1 mate is there? in addition that doesnt mean anything if the 1 lawyer is better than all 3 of yours put together and various other combinations that could be had out of that lot, tbh like people have said discuss the outcome of the job but leave the lagalities to the people it involves (ie your dad and smokey) end of story.
Well said Rich 8)
I didnt want to have to post my above post (see 2 above) but felt it needed to put into perspective.
Laine_16v
06-06-2006, 13:07
Just contact his dad!!
I think u should contact his dad.... and if he refuses to pay for it to be fixed and will only offer u £300 back then get the lawyer involved!
I'm sure he'll offer to pay to fix it as it will come out of his insurance not like its gonna really cost him is it! :D
FFS people ! stop telling him what he should do and let him deal with it how he feels best! its just like a merry go round now!
everyone is presuming what people are gonna say or react like!
remember boys and girls
presumtion is the mother of all **** ups!
i thort it was religion was the mother of all fuk ups.........lol
steveos_16valver
06-06-2006, 13:47
well to let u know as far as iam aware he does have insurance.
but also, if you decide you do want to go down the crazy route of courts and all that then its going to take a long time and cost you alot of money because i have 3 lawyers that will defend the case under the company i work for name.
I dont want it to go that way, you hopefully dont, and nor my dad. But he doesnt have solicitors etc, but smokey u do, ur girlfriend iirc or whoever.
So lets see how it goes, but i wouldnt expect it to be over within a week if u do decide to go the court route, because i will use all 3 lawyers, and it doesnt cost me nothing.
i want too see ur car fixed mate, i really do. But im sure this can be ressolved without legal action.
im sorry but gav if i was you id shut up you have cotadictided you self you mofo earlyer you was saying its nothing to do with you and to contact your dad but now you on about getting you 3 company lawyers involved
grow up man as has been said so may times leave then to sort it on there own dont get all high and mighty about it dam
RICH.. every ones got to have there pennys worth :P
oww lmfao at this tread the way its going :) now now children :lol: hand bags at the ready
at the end of the day el smokey will do what he wants and wont listen to any 1 on here but its nice to see we all care for you a smokey :P
oh yeah ppl can have their pennys worth about the actual spray job i totally agree, its just the legal side i think is nobodies business but the 2 parties involved in the deal
lol it's nothing to do with gav but all of a sudden HIS 3 lawyers will be on the case
rt_blackpool
06-06-2006, 14:56
christ!! this thread is better than big brother for amount of bitching!! O:)
fasterthanjesus
06-06-2006, 15:12
the quickest resolution would be to strip the car, and give his money back (or pay another company to strip it).
arguments on a forum about who has the most lawyers will not solve it.
both parties are at fault, one for giving a bad service, and the other for receiving it and paying for it without commenting on the finish of the job.
it would be better all round to lock the thread and agree to have it re-opened when both parties have agreed to a settlement path.
i thort it was religion was the mother of all f*k ups.........lol
allah is a woman!?
oh...you mean all religions............
steveos_16valver
06-06-2006, 15:19
but if you lock the tread we wont know what happens :)
well to let u know as far as iam aware he does have insurance.
but also, if you decide you do want to go down the crazy route of courts and all that then its going to take a long time and cost you alot of money because i have 3 lawyers that will defend the case under the company i work for name.
I dont want it to go that way, you hopefully dont, and nor my dad. But he doesnt have solicitors etc, but smokey u do, ur girlfriend iirc or whoever.
So lets see how it goes, but i wouldnt expect it to be over within a week if u do decide to go the court route, because i will use all 3 lawyers, and it doesnt cost me nothing.
i want too see ur car fixed mate, i really do. But im sure this can be ressolved without legal action.
im sorry but gav if i was you id shut up you have cotadictided you self you mofo earlyer you was saying its nothing to do with you and to contact your dad but now you on about getting you 3 company lawyers involved
grow up man as has been said so may times leave then to sort it on there own dont get all high and mighty about it dam
RICH.. every ones got to have there pennys worth :P
oww lmfao at this tread the way its going :) now now children :lol: hand bags at the ready
at the end of the day el smokey will do what he wants and wont listen to any 1 on here but its nice to see we all care for you a smokey :P
I can feel the love in the room.............shame its not my bedroom :wink:
smokey as said fella i really want u to get ur car back lookin nice.
I havent read what all the posts say after mine cuz there to long, but i didnt say 'i have 3 lawyers' in other words i want u to loose. Cuz i dont, i want u to get ur car back to normal.
I said that because of ur missus being in the law firm and my dad having noone they would take him to the cleaners.
I wasnt saying we will fight until you loose. Cuz i dont want u to loose.
But as far as im concerned this has gone on long enuf and alot of people are knowing to much about this situation where only you and my dad shud know. Do what u gotta do mate then contact my dad and im sure u 2 can go from there. But as i said, i honestly dont think it shud come to lawyers, im sure u and him could sort it out where ur car will be sorted and u will be happy.
lol it's nothing to do with gav but all of a sudden HIS 3 lawyers will be on the case
i wasnt saying there mine
but as said i just dont wanna see my old man go into court with noone representing him, he needs someone there. So obviously, he's my dad i would help him out.
But again, he has insurance, so smokey, when u have finished what ur doing sort it out and it will get fixed with no lawyers involved
FFS people ! stop telling him what he should do and let him deal with it how he feels best! its just like a merry go round now!
everyone is presuming what people are gonna say or react like!
remember boys and girls
presumtion is the mother of all f**k ups!
Agreed
Clerical error.........I take it all back :oops:
have been unbanned by the powers at 'B'
So what have u been banned for? Cause of all of this? :?
why have u been banned from f7power?
[on my moms life i havent had anything to do with smokey getting banned, as far as i know Rob doesnt even know about his car]
So what have u been banned for? Cause of all of this? :?
yep....Only thing it can be!
I have never posted anything even in the slightest bit argumentative on there, and have always spoken highly of Rob so what else could it be?
If it was anything else i'm 99.9% sure he would of spoke to me 1st if I had of pissed someone off over there.
this was my last post on there and it was 5 days ago now
http://www.renaultsport-racing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8698&highlight=&sid=d05f330535caa905ea1cc3214a5145d3
but then that would mean he has banned you because of me and i havent even spoke to rob about this....so it cant be
I just phoned rob, he said he and dougal banned u by mistake and the pm they sent u was to let u know of forum changes.
He said to say sorry on his behalf and i have activated ur account again
right peeps this thread has gone way off topic! everybody has had there say on the car and the spray job. so im gonna lock this now. gav/gavs dad and smokey can obviously keep in touch by phone call and pm on here to get it sorted! smokey and gav please keep us updated on the situation!
many thanks
bass_direct
07-06-2006, 03:06
FFS people ! stop telling him what he should do and let him deal with it how he feels best! its just like a merry go round now!
everyone is presuming what people are gonna say or react like!
remember boys and girls
presumtion is the mother of all f**k ups!
assumption is the mother of all f**k ups
Andy opened it again, after pm'in me.
I feel although its gone off track in places - it can contine for now. But im watching it closely. If it goes off topic again and a handbag gets thrown then its locked and moved.
can we at least change the title of the thread then to
by whitestar
and not 'williams-jr's dad'
8)
steveos_16valver
07-06-2006, 18:02
any news smokey ??
Scott-16v!
07-06-2006, 18:09
^^Stop shit stirring and give him chance ffs :roll: I'm sure smokey will post up when he's got some futher news!
steveos_16valver
07-06-2006, 18:42
how am i shit sturing you mofo im asking a simple question !
any way stop talking to me on here as mr northy has his big eye :shock: :roll: on here and i wouldnt like to upset him by going off the subject :!:
Scott-16v!
07-06-2006, 20:19
Because you're being a twat and keep bumping the thread up
VIPERONE
07-06-2006, 20:48
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Well if were opening up :-s
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I have just sent Graham (Whitestar) the 1st of probably many correspondances.
I sent him an email with all the relevant information as this is how I was advised all correspondances should be between us.
My proposed resolutions are:
a) My original £300 back, 50% of my wheel refurbishment, £45 new metal fuel filler cap, 50% of another re-spray at a body shop local to me who’s work I have seen many times approx £1800. Agree to this and all will be forgotten
b) We go to court over this and it could get ugly and very costly (I have 2 independent body shop assessors willing to take the stand as they are appalled that you let it leave your premises let alone still had the nerve to charge me for the pleasure of ruining my pride and joy)
c) You give me your insurance company’s details so I can pass it onto my insurance company who will put in a claim for damages and loss of earnings amounting to £2500 - £3000 and take the case up on my behalf.
I will update you all when I return from Milan tuesday
dan290888
14-06-2006, 13:28
good luck mate!
good luck pal as said, if it was me i would go on option 1 or 3 depending how much the excess would be and the raise in the premium Vs the cost of option 1
VIPERONE
14-06-2006, 13:59
correspondance should be sent via registered snail mail for audit purposes
fasterthanjesus
14-06-2006, 14:12
the lesson to be learnt here is that if you pay for goods via credit card, and the goods are over £100 in value, your credit card company has a team of lawyers who will fight your corner - if there is a dispute.
its got something to do with the sale of goods act, and some credit agreement thing.
even if you have the cash, pay by credit card! (then pay off the credit card straight away).
needlebarn
14-06-2006, 16:40
Smokey, good luck with your car, and dont lose any sleep over those 3 lawyers =D> coming to get you LMFAO.
You said earlier "im not poor" so why did you opt for a £300 paint job ?
seems like you were asking for trouble dude :wink:
man this thread it the bollox.
Smoky good luck with the compo. but dont ask for too much just be reasonable, i recon an out of cours settlement of 1k should be sufficiant.
Did you try flatting it back yourself... any luck
Flan :wink:
VIPERONE
14-06-2006, 16:45
lol flan, i hear theres a delay on sandblaster hiring
david_johnson
14-06-2006, 20:55
Ive been following this thread for along time. Rather than throw wild accusations, hysterics and supositions around, i thought it would be intereasting to write to trading standards and see what they said. I pretended this had happened to myself and explained exactly as what had happened based on what the details of this case are.
The reply, to paraphrase, was as follows:
The sale of goods act 1979 states that goods and services should be of satisfactory quality. They must meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as acceptable bearing in mind the way they were described, what they cost and any other relevant circumstances.
Because a reasonable person would not expect a £300 spray job to be of high quality (based on a high quality spray being over three thousand pounds), it cannot be expected that the service offered is of a superior standard than dictated by the price.
A person, for example, cannot buy a suit for £30, complain when it falls apart after a few nights out, then expect the company that sold it to fund a trip to Saville Row to correct the damage.
The problem with lawers is that they tend to not live in the real world. The best place to find out about problems like this is to speak to people who deal with this on a daily basis. Thats why a spoke to trading standards. Their opinion is that a cheap spray job will be of low quality. That is to be expected and little can be done about it. Caveat emptor.
I have no intention of getting involved or taking sides, i initially wrote to them out of interest to myself. However, the information might save some people alot of time and money, If you choose to disregard my information, well that is no concern of mine. Either way i hope this is sorted out.
Laine_16v
14-06-2006, 21:19
Theres no doubting it the paint job is unaceptable but...
Smokey you looked over the car for 30 mins or so aparently when collecting it and you were aparently exstatic about it.
part of it wasnt compltely dry (the bonnet i believe), whitestar then offered to pay for your train ticket home, to which you denied because you were happy with it and wanted to drive it home. At this point you were happy and drove your car home.
I dont get it?
Ive been following this thread for along time. Rather than throw wild accusations, hysterics and supositions around, i thought it would be intereasting to write to trading standards and see what they said. I pretended this had happened to myself and explained exactly as what had happened based on what the details of this case are.
The reply, to paraphrase, was as follows:
The sale of goods act 1979 states that goods and services should be of satisfactory quality. They must meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as acceptable bearing in mind the way they were described, what they cost and any other relevant circumstances.
Because a reasonable person would not expect a £300 spray job to be of high quality (based on a high quality spray being over three thousand pounds), it cannot be expected that the service offered is of a superior standard than dictated by the price.
A person, for example, cannot buy a suit for £30, complain when it falls apart after a few nights out, then expect the company that sold it to fund a trip to Saville Row to correct the damage.
The problem with lawers is that they tend to not live in the real world. The best place to find out about problems like this is to speak to people who deal with this on a daily basis. Thats why a spoke to trading standards. Their opinion is that a cheap spray job will be of low quality. That is to be expected and little can be done about it. Caveat emptor.
I have no intention of getting involved or taking sides, i initially wrote to them out of interest to myself. However, the information might save some people alot of time and money, If you choose to disregard my information, well that is no concern of mine. Either way i hope this is sorted out.
To be honest I totally agree, I don't mean to be harsh mate but you get what you pay for. At the end of the day you paid and drove the car away and didn't let on that you were unhappy? I think your demands are way over the top! He hasn't damaged your car in any way, he's just given it a cheap spray job, which is what you paid for? I'd just be happy to get my money back, I don't think you will have much of a leg to stand on in court tbh. I'm sure many will disagree but that's just my opinion.
I've been reading this since the beginning, interesting thread.
In my opinion the car shouldn't have left the premesis as the paint was still wet. Whether this was whitestar or smokey's fault I don't know/don't want to debate.
Ive been following this thread for along time. Rather than throw wild accusations, hysterics and supositions around, i thought it would be intereasting to write to trading standards and see what they said. I pretended this had happened to myself and explained exactly as what had happened based on what the details of this case are.
The reply, to paraphrase, was as follows:
The sale of goods act 1979 states that goods and services should be of satisfactory quality. They must meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as acceptable bearing in mind the way they were described, what they cost and any other relevant circumstances.
Because a reasonable person would not expect a £300 spray job to be of high quality (based on a high quality spray being over three thousand pounds), it cannot be expected that the service offered is of a superior standard than dictated by the price.
A person, for example, cannot buy a suit for £30, complain when it falls apart after a few nights out, then expect the company that sold it to fund a trip to Saville Row to correct the damage.
The problem with lawers is that they tend to not live in the real world. The best place to find out about problems like this is to speak to people who deal with this on a daily basis. Thats why a spoke to trading standards. Their opinion is that a cheap spray job will be of low quality. That is to be expected and little can be done about it. Caveat emptor.
I have no intention of getting involved or taking sides, i initially wrote to them out of interest to myself. However, the information might save some people alot of time and money, If you choose to disregard my information, well that is no concern of mine. Either way i hope this is sorted out.
This has nothing to do with the sales of goods act 1979..............Nice 1st post thou :wink:
It has however got everything to do with
The trade descriptions act 1968 and the supply of goods and services act 1982
The Trade Descriptions Act 1968 makes it an offence for any person in the course of any trade or business to make a statement which is false about goods or as to the provision of any services, accommodation or facilities.
I.e Its a cheap spray job due to Graham (Whitestar) stating up on his own and his sprayer has done spraying for Aston Martin. Not the fact its going to be a shit bodge job of unreasonable quality.
Supply of Goods and Services 1982 legislation requires a trader to provide a service with reasonable care and skill. Any materials or parts supplied must be of satisfactory quality.
If a trader fails to observe these requirements the law treats the matter as breach of contract and, if necessary, a consumer can pursue the matter through the courts.
The small claims procedure provides a straightforward way to bring a claim for up to £5000 to court.
I.e Not having
a) Scratches in brand new paintwork
b) Rust untouched and sprayed straight over
c) Paint put on too thick
d) Paint not dried accordingly
e) Lacquer runs
f) Lacquer on too thick
g) Lacquer not dried accordingly
h) Paint finish is nothing but 'orange peel'
i) Lacquer finish is nothing but 'orange peel'
j) Paint & primer on wheels & door cards
k) Painted over £45 metal look fuel cap
l) Paint contamination
m) Dust under paint and under lacquer
n) Bonnet is the worst after you told me to drive it home while it was still wet and full of cobwebs
o) Lacquer sprayed all over windscreen, sunroof & headlights
p) Parts of the car are missing lacquer all together
Anyway, the reply I got was not a satisfactory one, basically this quote summed up the reply "The only point of contention to me is the bonnet" :lol: :lol: :roll: so this afternoon I have had a Independant assesors report done which makes for good reading :lol:
I have been in contact so far with Trading Standards, the Department of Trading Industy, Consumer Direct and the Vehicle Builders + Repairers Association.
I have also spoken to Adrian flux who have told me I cannot use my insurance to make a claim, however I can use my free legal protection which came with my insurance if need be.
Anyway I am currently typing up my 2nd and final correspondance before legal proceedings will start.
Will keep you informed of any developements.
I've been reading this since the beginning, interesting thread.
In my opinion the car shouldn't have left the premesis as the paint was still wet. Whether this was whitestar or smokey's fault I don't know/don't want to debate.
I was called at approx 9pm the night before collection to tell me the car was ready for collection the next day.
After a 4hr train journey I arrive at 4:30pm to be told that he had to give the bonnet another coat of laquer a cpl of hours earlier.
Make of that what you will!!
my dad then told u when u arrived [as u was already on the train and they cant make u turns] that the bonnet was still wet and he will pay for your train ticket and u can come pick it up when ready
he spent about 45 mins with you asking what u do and dont want painting, you never mentioned the filler cap, but everything u didnt want painting u were sure to point out
you decided to get ur wheels refurbed days/weeks b4 u dropped the car off, so why he shud pay for them i dont know
the "scratch" wasnt a scratch, and he said [after u agreed to take it home] that 2 mins of rubbing will get rid of it
laquer on the windowscreen/light, 5 min job with a rag and some turps, again would of been done by whitestar but u decided to go home
and if ur SOOOOOOOO RICH why have a cheap spray job anyway?
my dad never once advertised him nor his sprayer as a professional car sprayer, he said he sprayed for aston martin...so? doesnt mean anything...there the words he told us, we had no proof, nor did he lead u on to say whitestar was professional.
you put in ur email 'i have written proof gavin done some spraying" dont talk shit smokey, no you dont cuz i didnt touch ur car, i only helped sand it down and never did i say i helped spray your car
you said ' i was never expecting it to be a professional finish' well for £300 imo you got a job worth the value. if you dont like that, then you should of gone and got a 1800 pound spray job
you mentioned the rust, again, whitestar said to you that it was rust that had rotted all the way thru ur body and for them to cut it out and fit new metal etc etc it would of added alot of money onto the price. He told u this and u agreed it was fine as it was hidden behind ur bump strip
you saw ur car and "pretended" to love it. You were smiling and u paid whitestar no problem, your bitching about them trying to charge u another £200, no they didnt, i said in a thread it was £500, but i was wrong, whitestar never once asked you for £500
as said, you cant buy a £5 watch and expect a rolex, you decided on a £300 job, you got a job the best to whitestars abillities. There mission is not to ruin ur car, and in your oppinion it has....well...sorry about that but again...you said so yourself, you was never expecting a proffesional job....
yeah all very good but i dont think anyone in their right mind would expect as shitty a job as that, even for 10quid, let alone 300!!!!!
:shock:
maybe not, but still, its a £300 job.........
im not saying im happy wats happened to smokey's car...cuz im far from it....but..if he was never expecting it to be professional then what was he expecting? Satisfactory? Well then thats down to oppinion, he is saying it isnt satisfactory, and whitestar are saying it is
my dad then told u when u arrived [as u was already on the train and they cant make u turns] that the bonnet was still wet and he will pay for your train ticket and u can come pick it up when ready
Why call the night before telling me its ready then? when obviously it wasnt.....surely he would of known days earlier when he originally laquered it? :?
he spent about 45 mins with you asking what u do and dont want painting, you never mentioned the filler cap, but everything u didnt want painting u were sure to point out
Did I say not to paint the windscreen, wheels, exhaust, engine, gearbox, fuel filler cap, interior (oops they did by getting it on my door card), brakes & suspension....then why were these not painted too if thats your argument?
you decided to get ur wheels refurbed days/weeks b4 u dropped the car off, so why he shud pay for them i dont know
So that makes it fine does it....another great argument Gav :roll:
the "scratch" wasnt a scratch, and he said [after u agreed to take it home] that 2 mins of rubbing will get rid of it
There are numerous scratches over the new paintwork, the main ones are on the boot hatch next to passenger rear cluster. I'm not a liar Gav, so why would I make it up?
laquer on the windowscreen/light, 5 min job with a rag and some turps, again would of been done by whitestar but u decided to go home
Yes well I do live at home.........wasnt mentioned to me and I didnt realise till I got home.
and if ur SOOOOOOOO RICH why have a cheap spray job anyway?
Where have I stated im SOOOOOOO RICH as you put it? I said im not poor. My mrs is a solicitor, i'm a network administrator for the MOD and I have my own business.........Only downside means I spend more money.
my dad never once advertised him nor his sprayer as a professional car sprayer, he said he sprayed for aston martin...so? doesnt mean anything...there the words he told us, we had no proof, nor did he lead u on to say whitestar was professional.
So by not professional your admitting its a shoddy setup.....have I got that right?
Im sure the environment agency & health & safety would love to hear that.......Im sure theres strict regulations involved with the chemicals used to spray cars....will ask the mrs tonight.
Just because your dad didnt ask for references, vet his staff its my fault........you cant say that in court lol.......ignorance isnt a defence Gav :lol:
you put in ur email 'i have written proof gavin done some spraying" dont talk s**t smokey, no you dont cuz i didnt touch ur car, i only helped sand it down and never did i say i helped spray your car
You didnt touch my car yet you helped sand it down :? didnt you strip the bumpers etc off too? Which is it Gav?
Why did you apologise for getting primer and paint on my wheels on the way to your dads unit if it wasnt you spraying? Slip of the tongue maybe?
How come you PM'd a member off of a forum and told them you was helping your dad by doing some spraying (while my car was being worked on at your dads 1 car unit) and when questioned about it you said it was your dads mates car you was spraying?
you said ' i was never expecting it to be a professional finish' well for £300 imo you got a job worth the value. if you dont like that, then you should of gone and got a 1800 pound spray job
My independant assesor didnt seem to agree with you. It costs just as much to 'Spray' a good finish as it does a crap finish. The same amount of paint/primer and laquer are used and the time taken is the same.....and thats a professionals opinion
you mentioned the rust, again, whitestar said to you that it was rust that had rotted all the way thru ur body and for them to cut it out and fit new metal etc etc it would of added alot of money onto the price. He told u this and u agreed it was fine as it was hidden behind ur bump strip
Its surface rust, I have had 3 bodyshops tell me a wire brush, some zinc primer and paint is all it needed. I have taken the rear quater door card off and no sign of the rust inside
you saw ur car and "pretended" to love it. You were smiling and u paid whitestar no problem, your bitching about them trying to charge u another £200, no they didnt, i said in a thread it was £500, but i was wrong, whitestar never once asked you for £500
So why did your dad say he would let me off if I took our camper van to him for the work it needs?
as said, you cant buy a £5 watch and expect a rolex, you decided on a £300 job, you got a job the best to whitestars abillities. There mission is not to ruin ur car, and in your oppinion it has....well...sorry about that but again...you said so yourself, you was never expecting a proffesional job....
You dont get a plumber in and expect a leak no matter what he charges!
In my opinion or is it a collective of numerous bodyshops, independant assesors and about 20-30+ forum members opinions??
Its not about he said she said anyway........your dad offers a service which whether you like it or not is governed by law which is the sales of goods and services act 1982 and the trade descriptions act........End of discussion!
can i ask one thing about this whole situation, can it be left away from the forum now?
its got nothing to do with anyone on here other than smokey and his issue is with gavs pa not anyone on here. its seen its course, no ones gonna back down and as such its just adding aggro thats not needed.
admin can this thread be locked please?
cheers
Coops
maybe not, but still, its a £300 job.........
im not saying im happy wats happened to smokey's car...cuz im far from it....but..if he was never expecting it to be professional then what was he expecting? Satisfactory? Well then thats down to oppinion, he is saying it isnt satisfactory, and whitestar are saying it is
Thats where you wrong Gav, it has to be of 'resonable quality'
Read here http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/consumer_affairs/problems_with_services.htm start at this paragraph
Your legal rights when buying services
What is reasonable
It can be difficult to know what is 'reasonable'. Here are some ways you can find out.
To get guidance on reasonable standards of work, contact a trade or professional association
My professional independant assesor does not think its 'resonable' and this is what the court will base there judgement on. Not my word or yours!
can i ask one thing about this whole situation, can it be left away from the forum now?
its got nothing to do with anyone on here other than smokey and his issue is with gavs pa not anyone on here. its seen its course, no ones gonna back down and as such its just adding aggro thats not needed.
admin can this thread be locked please?
cheers
Coops
Nope.....I was just updating everyone and Gav came on here shouting the odds................I was just informing him of the facts.
Maybe talk Gav into keeping quite and I wouldnt post so much detail.
how about u stop looking for attention and deal with it behind the scenes insted of advertising the situation to everyone
when a solution has been made, then post....u expect me to not reply, ive been biting my tounge since u sent that 1st email to my dad...but couldnt hold it any longer.
i will be quiet no probs, if u stop advertising the situation to the world
the point of the thread was to let ppl know what a bad job it was, so others dont have to find out for themselves
but ppl wont use whitestar for bodywork so the job here is done, now ur just milkin it
how about u stop looking for attention and deal with it behind the scenes insted of advertising the situation to everyone
when a solution has been made, then post....u expect me to not reply, ive been biting my tounge since u sent that 1st email to my dad...but couldnt hold it any longer.
i will be quiet no probs, if u stop advertising the situation to the world
the point of the thread was to let ppl know what a bad job it was, so others dont have to find out for themselves
but ppl wont use whitestar for bodywork so the job here is done, now ur just milkin it
If I was milking it, this would be on every forum out there.....I have not posted on CS, not posted on your forum and not posted on F7power.com for a reason.
I have not kicked up a fuss, not attention seeked and have not lost my temper once.
This is the 3rd or fourth time you have shot off at the mouth and made yourself look a complete tit (members have pm'd me and told me so....so again not just my opinion)
Now grow up and keep your nose out of something that in your own words has nothing to do with you.
I wonder why you are getting angry..............guilty concience have we?
By posting on here you have done your old man more harm then good so quit while your ahead! :wink:
Maybe this should be locked for replies.... Or cant just the first post be kept.... with pics and no opinions shown?! :D
This girl speaks sense^^^^ :wink:
Maybe this should be locked for replies.... Or cant just the first post be kept.... with pics and no opinions shown?! :D
Why thou.......how many times have GDI/AWT been slated and nothing has happened?
If this was some random garage it wouldnt be locked, just because it was a member who advertised the services of his old man people want it locked.
If it gets locked the situation will be updated on CS so those that are interested can check it out still
Dancliovalver
21-06-2006, 21:40
how about u stop looking for attention and deal with it behind the scenes insted of advertising the situation to everyone
when a solution has been made, then post....u expect me to not reply, ive been biting my tounge since u sent that 1st email to my dad...but couldnt hold it any longer.
i will be quiet no probs, if u stop advertising the situation to the world
the point of the thread was to let ppl know what a bad job it was, so others dont have to find out for themselves
but ppl wont use whitestar for bodywork so the job here is done, now ur just milkin it
If I was milking it, this would be on every forum out there.....I have not posted on CS, not posted on your forum and not posted on F7power.com for a reason.
I have not kicked up a fuss, not attention seeked and have not lost my temper once.
This is the 3rd or fourth time you have shot off at the mouth and made yourself look a complete tit (members have pm'd me and told me so....so again not just my opinion)
Now grow up and keep your nose out of something that in your own words has nothing to do with you.
I wonder why you are getting angry..............guilty concience have we?
By posting on here you have done your old man more harm then good so quit while your ahead! :wink:
Mate thats abit harsh, hes only stickin up for his old man, id do the same and im sure you would too!!
we all know that its a bad job now, and please do keep us updated but u do seem to be baiting abit :?
I just think we all know the situation and before it turns nasty the opinionated posts should be taken off!
That way ppl can see the spray job.... new people to the thread will be none the wiser that whitestar have anything to do with Gav...
And smokey can maybe pm northy when he wants to let people know the outcome once its all resolved!
We dont want members falling out over a garage job do we! :D
Scott-16v!
21-06-2006, 21:51
FATBOY had the right idea a page or two ago imo.
Laine_16v
21-06-2006, 21:54
We dont want members falling out over a garage job do we! :D
Lol i think the damage has already been done somehow :wink:
Yeah but still it could get worse :(
yea well nothing special smoke, ive had pm's about u also fella but fine, i wont say no more
but this has as much to do with me as it does with anyone else on the forum
noone need know the in's and out's of whats going on....ur not happy with the job, fine! sort it out and then tell ppl what happened insted of going on and on
yea well nothing special smoke, ive had pm's about u also fella but fine, i wont say no more
but this has as much to do with me as it does with anyone else on the forum
noone need know the in's and out's of whats going on....ur not happy with the job, fine! sort it out and then tell ppl what happened insted of going on and on
Who was it posted all the details above?
iirc all I posted was factual information which may help others who have been in the same boat........I.e Daz who had his car ****ed also by twisted styling.
I bet he didnt realise he can sue upto 2 years after the problem? and I am more then happy to help him out if need be as they shouldnt be able to get away with it.
I can pass him all the info I have obtained over the last few weeks.
Again please re-read my 1st post on the situation in almost a week and tell me why it was an out of order post.
Right im off to play football manager 2006
Yeah but still it could get worse :(
I can garuntee it wont from my side of the fence...................I dont need to get mad I have the law on my side....It really is that simple.
bass_direct
22-06-2006, 06:01
Right im off to play football manager 2006
that can get addicting sometimes! lol
Right im off to play football manager 2006
that can get addicting sometimes! lol
Was sat up till 3am playing it and sorting out my paperwork :oops:
I must say i was glad smokey posted the pictures as i was all set to drop my valver off the next day !
Not to say anything against Whitestar, Gavs dad seemed to know what he was doing, when i saw smokeys valver in just the paint prelaqure it was a matt finish how i would expect it to be although his dad did admit to having a problem on the door which they were fixing (i think it was drivers door as this was all covered up)
I was due to take my valver in a week earlier but gavs dad canceled and told me to hold off for a week as they were busy
And as everyone can see it is a bad job and i hope this matter can be resolved.
Laine_16v
22-06-2006, 20:24
IVe just had a tonne of mechanical work done by WhiteStar, they did a great job :D
zzzzzzzzzz this thread is just boaring me now :lol:
What an interesting read :shock: , being my first post on this subject bear with me a second.
Owning my own business for 3 years I have a fair amuont of experieince on 'customer disputes'.
Without going in to too much detail, in a nutshell Smokey is in a very strong position in the eyes of the law.
The easy and right solution for Whitestar would be take the vehicle in and get the problem rectified, if they do not have the expertise to complete the work onsite then it is up to them what they do. If they have to buy a new parts/car for the customer then so be it. The facts are that they offerered a service which was not delivered to a satisfactory standard, infact the vehicle's bodywork has been damaged to the extent where a repair may now not recitfy the poor work carried out on the vehicle in the first instance.
The fault with the car is obviously very evident however, Whitestar does have one factor in their favour, and that is the customer did accept the vehicle and money was exchanged on completion of the work. However, with the type of work that was carried out, the customer may have believed that in 24 hours the car may have looked alot better after it had 'dried' properly or similar.
Whitestar has to be careful in this situation as the fault with the car is so alarmingly obvious, agreed the amount of money was a low amount in the world of spraying cars however Whitestar quoted that amount for a service they obliged to carry out. If they could not perform the service they should not have offered it or accepted the customer's vehicle.
My advice to Whitestar is to accept liability and get the problem rectified as soon as possible or they could find themselves in a long drawn out process through the law courts, which inevitably does not look positive for them from the outset.
whitestar accept that mate, they know smokey is in the right
but smokey hasnt asked for whitestar to sort the car out [which whitestar wouldnt do, but could get it sorted no problem]
smokey said he wasnt happy with the car when he came to pick it up but he blamed the 4 hr train trip for him not saying anything there and then. he just wanted to go get his wheels refurbed and get home.
the car isnt beyond repair, it's paint, it sands off.......holes havent been cut into the bodywork or nowt :roll:
If your based in Cambridge still, a good place to try would be a&c auto's in Queen adelade... Have done a great job on my mates Civic, and very cheaply too!
iirc all I posted was factual information which may help others who have been in the same boat........I.e Daz who had his car f**ked also by twisted styling.
I bet he didnt realise he can sue upto 2 years after the problem? and I am more then happy to help him out if need be as they shouldnt be able to get away with it.
I can pass him all the info I have obtained over the last few weeks.
:shock:
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