197 or 172/182 engine

[walters300]

i think i have a buyer for my turbo set up so it looks like my itb dream could be around the corner, looking to do it the cheapest way though without having to rebuild an engine, thats why i an thinking a 197 as i should get a low mile one easy, they are around 180 bhp standard i beleive, if i could achieve 220 bhp with throttle bodies i would be a very happy duder, or is it too much hassle and not worth it, ie setting up vvti etc properly and getting the engine/ gearbox in, your thoughts much appreciated before i go and do something i might regret with my simples mechanical knowledge, thanks lads

[kj16v]

Blimey you given up on the turbo already?? Well, fitting a 197 on ITB's isn't going to be any easier than dealing with a turbo angine that's already in there...

Your gonna have to spend some money somewhere dude! Having ITBs on a completely standard engine is kinda pointless, IMO.

[Coops]

as above, n/a tuning is a mine field and waaaaaaay more expensive per bhp than boost

you'll need decent cams,pulleys headwork, possibly high comp rebuild for good reliable power. then theres the itb kit itself, linkages, shortened radiator, trumpets, filters, standalone management, fabrication of brackets etc for all the gubbins. then cams timed in and someone who knows what they are doing to map it. oh and conversion to wasted spark ignition more than likely

may just squeak 220bhp out a decent 172 engine then. as for 182/197, even more work as its all fly by wire for throttle control etc

[Coops]

technology error, f4r is already wasted spark, my bad

[walters300]

ah gee lads saved my arse again! Little knowledge is dangerous! Will really have to think about this as i dont want to throw silly money at this again, not as simple as i thought! Problem is my car sounds shite! Really bog standard even with a straight through back box, even cosworths have a growl? The induction noise is non existent due to the length of run maybe? How does yours sound mr coops? Is there better induction noise at 270 bhp due to higher flow? Or is it my standard head cant get the bhp through quick enough? Annoys the fk out of me to be honest.

[richy]

if you already have a turbo set up which works id stick with that imho

high power itb's set up isnt cheap and wont ever make the same power as the turbo can!

[Coops]

your worried about how it sounds? lol. surely you should worry about how it goes mate more than anything????

turbo will never sound the same as itb, but mine sounds evil, when it comes on boost all hell breaks loose, but it is on a sidey. you dont get that much induciton roar as the turbo muffles the inlet noise from the engine, along with the boost pipework, but you get an awsesome whine as the turbo spools and the recirc lets out some nice noises on overrun as it purges the boost.

[walters300]

i have even gone and researched very hard on sound waves and how different materials/ shapes and flow patterns could be designed to replicate the itb noise, tried a couple but of blue peter bog roll and fairy liquid bottle specials and fk all! Havent given up yet though! If i can design a piece of kit that gives that noise i will have the perfect set up, power and noise, will spend this weekend with my latest and greatest cunning plan, if it works that will sway me completely, thanks guys i really appreciate the good advice.

[richy]

loud speaker with sensor on the accelerator so each time you press the pedal down a loud ITB induction road is blurted out......

[walters300]

sidey!