front susp. solid top mounts

[MAXIBOY]

that's what primer and paint are for

[J o n]

I'll getting stainless steel ones for my car, piece of mind. Sick of rust lol

[schakal]

no, you just asked a question and I answered it...

they rust, they have some on KT53, they are rusty... not really sure how else I can explain it really... lol

sorry i thought you were kidding for a minute ,obviously not

assuming i have not coated the mounts , do you have any idea
how long it would take for 4mm steel plate to rust completely or
even enough to make them u/s especially located at the top end
of the suspension leg ?? not even mentioning these will be used
for track days only .

you better call renault and tell them about your discovery before
many lives get in danger , cause if you look at the cars they made
over the years ,most components they used in suspension is made
of mild steel and most are well below the 4mm line !!!

think of all the little washers ,bearing mounts etc etc
dont really need to ask anyone to figure this tbh mate
i thought you were a bit smarter than that

[J o n]

no, you just asked a question and I answered it...

they rust, they have some on KT53, they are rusty... not really sure how else I can explain it really... lol

sorry i thought you were kidding for a minute ,obviously not

assuming i have not coated the mounts , do you have any idea
how long it would take for 4mm steel plate to rust completely or
even enough to make them u/s especially located at the top end
of the suspension leg ?? not even mentioning these will be used
for track days only .

you better call renault and tell them about your discovery before
many lives get in danger , cause if you look at the cars they made
over the years ,most components they used in suspension is made
of mild steel and most are well below the 4mm line !!!

think of all the little washers ,bearing mounts etc etc
dont really need to ask anyone to figure this tbh mate
i thought you were a bit smarter than that

you asked about solid mild steel top mounts, I said that the GDI demo used them and they rusted and they will be replaced. This is a track car that is dry stored most of the year (well, all year). I'm just telling you what happened seeing as you asked the question and that I'd personally not bother... clearly something has been lost in translation, so I dont really think my intelligence is the issue here... maybe be eyesight sure, but as you have had no experience of them I thought you may find the info helpful... clearly not. No need to be a child about it

[schakal]

you asked about solid mild steel top mounts, I said that the GDI demo used them and they rusted and they will be replaced. This is a track car that is dry stored most of the year (well, all year). I'm just telling you what happened seeing as you asked the question and that I'd personally not bother... clearly something has been lost in translation, so I dont really think my intelligence is the issue here... maybe be eyesight sure, but as you have had no experience of them I thought you may find the info helpful... clearly not. No need to be a child about it

i asked if 4mm would be thick enough for the job ,you started going
on about something totally wrong and unrelated ,i suggest you and GDI
both have a lesson to learn about coating metals .

did not mean to be an arse , but you are really pushing it even
though you kinda realised you are WRONG !!!

[stew]

i disagree with you too :D

firstly the mounts i am making are not for a clio ,totally different setup .
here are some pictures .
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/...428&highlight=

on the standard setup ,the section i am removing
(2nd pic ,left mount ) to replace with a solid mount is there mainly
to take the side movements of the chassis/piston rod .

the vertical movement is there to be taken by the shock absorber and
spring , so if you were running solid shock absorbers and springs
you could bend 4mm steel :D than i guess the turrets would bend/crack
before the solid mount.

again top of the standard mount where my 4mm steel bolts to is 2mm thick and i agree on using 10.9 bolts ,which is also what reno used mounting the top mounts to the turret .

from looking at ur pics i would say that what you are doing looks spot on, but u are using part of the suspension top mount to create your solid top mounts. maybe its my bad but i assumed you were meaning making the top mount from scratch.

the turret steel is 3mm, formed and tack welded, and is strong dont get me wrong, but on the clio's the OE setup uses 3mm steel, a huge chunk of rubber to absorb the impacts, and is made of a conical design to increase strength. from what i have seen people do before is use sheet steel to create a solid disc which is bolted to where the turret top hole is, allowing mounting of the front struts, and this i assure you would need to be made from, as suggested, 8mm steel.

its a simple fact that bending and forming steel to a desired shape adds strength and rigidity while saving weight, but none of use hom diy'ers have the skills or more importantly the equipment to do so.

i like what you have done with yours and would love to see some finished pics. a before and after would be interesting too.

[stew]

* edit *

its ment to read "home diy'ers....."

[J o n]

you asked about solid mild steel top mounts, I said that the GDI demo used them and they rusted and they will be replaced. This is a track car that is dry stored most of the year (well, all year). I'm just telling you what happened seeing as you asked the question and that I'd personally not bother... clearly something has been lost in translation, so I dont really think my intelligence is the issue here... maybe be eyesight sure, but as you have had no experience of them I thought you may find the info helpful... clearly not. No need to be a child about it

i asked if 4mm would be thick enough for the job ,you started going
on about something totally wrong and unrelated ,i suggest you and GDI
both have a lesson to learn about coating metals .

did not mean to be an arse , but you are really pushing it even
though you kinda realised you are WRONG !!!

dont worry, I'll send them in your direction when they need some advice on motorsport lol

[schakal]

dont worry, I'll send them in your direction when they need some advice on motorsport lol

again ,you got the wrong end of the stick .this is nothing to
do with motorsport ,just some common sense and basic skills .
i can now clearly see why even someone like stromba gets frustrated
with you

by all means ,send them my way .i am approachable via
pm and email

[stan]

I personally think anything more than 5mm mild steel would be overkill.

I think my aluminium ones are 6mm on the clio.