Widetrack...... is it really worth it? [Archive]

stew

13-03-2006, 23:01

cant comment. it looks the nackers though.

suppose if your gonna replace ALL the suspension components (which most 10 year old clios could probably do with) then it should defo be on the shopping list. however i dont see the point of buying old widetrack stuff if your into handling. better to buy fresh stuff. im sure martin/gaz can probably agree with that one!?

has anyone done the cheapo route and got 20mm spacers made up? lol

big hp

13-03-2006, 23:14

Defo worthwhile, lot more stable which allows you to push harder :twisted:

Zollo

13-03-2006, 23:51

Agree with Stew - no point in doing it if it's all second hand stuff :?

If you're thinking about replacing everything anyway, though, then I'd say yeah, it's worth it. Unless you're doing it just for the looks, in which case, it's not worth it! lol :P

u33db

14-03-2006, 00:17

Its worth it, even by using secondhand parts IMO.

At the end of the day, your car will have a bigger footprint on the road so more stable...end of.

Zollo

14-03-2006, 00:24

I'd argue that a spruced up valver with all new suspension parts will feel better than a wide track'd one using 80,000 mile old parts. End of.

stew

14-03-2006, 01:14

yeah i dont see the point spending 300 odd quid on old stuff. rather spend the bit extra on new stuff.

dont need new driveshafts, but everything else it worth buying new imo. even get some poly bushes as well. worth doing the job properly and putting some decent coilovers on as well!

Martin

14-03-2006, 01:35

having driven both ......I have'nt noticed a discernable difference between the two. Maybe I'm not deep enough into the finer points of handling...lol

2 live

14-03-2006, 09:15

the car will only have a bigger footprint if the tyres are wider.

the tyres are what makes the car handle.....shit tyres, no matter wot susp set up uv got, will result in inferior handling.

suspension wise, if u goin wide track.like zollo, id use new parts, but ditch the shox/springs and go for coilovers. lets face it, if ur gunna change for better handling, mite as well make it as good as it gets while ur at it....do it rite 1st time, then theres no fukkin about later.

white16valver

14-03-2006, 10:51

I'm going wide-track but I'm going to go standard bar Cup springs. 8)

My old stuff felt so fooked that it was handling like sh*t and I didn't feel at all confident pushing it as it just felt like it was going to fall off the road at any minute :?

Hopefully it will come back fresh and rejuvenated and handling lovely :)

Swervin_Mervin

14-03-2006, 11:32

On the road the willy feels far more planted and so the wide track is worth it. On the track however I cannot comment.

The valver runs more camber so I suspect a lot of the advantages are negated.

Dancliovalver

14-03-2006, 17:14

the car will only have a bigger footprint if the tyres are wider.

the tyres are what makes the car handle.....s**t tyres, no matter wot susp set up uv got, will result in inferior handling.

i agrre with you there, i have avo coilovers and they are exellent, had some pirelli tyres on, furry muff they wernt the best but still stuck to the road, but since changing my wheels i now have shite tyres and the car gets no grip atall!!!

i like the widetrack, id consider having it, looks great too, but at the minute i have better things to spend my money on!!

BRUN

14-03-2006, 17:18

the tyres are what makes the car handle.....s**t tyres, no matter wot susp set up uv got, will result in inferior handling.

too right, ive got the wide track, but with these shit Marangoni tyres that are on the front at the moment, its very easy to get it to slide and lose grip

cant wait until i can afford to put Michelins on the front aswell as the back :D

MattyH16valver

14-03-2006, 19:10

I'm having Winston's old wide track fitted with JR Coilovers, can't wait! 8)

Hebby

14-03-2006, 19:14

My williams feels so much more stable on the limit compared to my cousins old 16v it could be quite a few things but the track makes a large difference im sure

Clio_GTT

14-03-2006, 21:15

Having gone from one to the other i could notice the difference immediatley, although i think the main difference was going from 13 year old tripe to brand spankers renault jobbies. The williams track itself IMHO is quite a bit better too, actually feels wider.

matty

14-03-2006, 22:27

Same for me but changing from 7 year old suspension on my Valver to FK coilovers. Believe someone has used spacers to similar "widetrack" effect.

If the only perceived benefit is the wider track then the spacer option would be cheapest.

New suspension would always win over SH widetrack IMO. Spacers would be interesting alternative with new suspension.

ash clio gtt

14-03-2006, 22:31

spacers would mess everything up. the williams isnt just about wider track all the camber and shock angles are different with the wide track setup and thats what makes the difference

Martin

14-03-2006, 22:31

If spacers were so good I guess reno would have used them....

Justin..

14-03-2006, 22:33

would a different ofset wheel have same effect?

jay s

14-03-2006, 22:33

just woundering how much it would cost for totaly new widetrack setup, any1 know??

Justin..

14-03-2006, 22:34

£600 +

jay s

14-03-2006, 22:38

that include the williams subframe?? can u buy these new??

Justin..

14-03-2006, 22:39

not inclludiong subby

jay s

14-03-2006, 22:40

I'm having Winston's old wide track fitted with JR Coilovers, can't wait! 8)

you basicly brought his whole car then :lol: , how much did u get the widetrack setup for??

Martin

14-03-2006, 22:42

I'm having Winston's old wide track fitted with JR Coilovers, can't wait! 8)

You sure? :?

Martin

14-03-2006, 22:43

just woundering how much it would cost for totaly new widetrack setup, any1 know??

When I got mine 550 quid + coilovers or springs/shocks...not including subframe

ash clio gtt

14-03-2006, 22:46

again offset wouldnt change the suspension geometry so wouldnt be as good as williams setup, but interestingly the renault 5 gtt cup cars got a wider track thru using offset of 16 rather than 37 so may have some advantages over normal 16v setup

Martin

14-03-2006, 22:56

This is what you need
8)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8879/pic0km.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic0km.jpg)

Clio_GTT

14-03-2006, 23:19

This is what you need
8)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8879/pic0km.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic0km.jpg)

reminds me of

http://photobucket.com/albums/f360/Clio16v-widetrack/?action=view&current=DSC01888.jpg

:D :D

u33db

14-03-2006, 23:43

too right, ive got the wide track, but with these s**t Marangoni tyres that are on the front at the moment, its very easy to get it to slide and lose grip

cant wait until i can afford to put Michelins on the front aswell as the back :D

lol you really don't like those tyres do you? I agree they ain't the best but for 30quid each are pretty good...on par with proxies and i've also seen several Evos with them. Have you tried swapping the michelins to the front?

GazTwo

14-03-2006, 23:52

Get out of a Valver into a Williams and u'll notice a massive difference....the Williams feels brilliant BUT a standard Valver setup is still very good.

If your refreshing most of the suspension it's worth the extra to get it done and defo worth the extra few pennies and go brand new.

And most of all it looks 8)

GET IT DONE.... :D...Martin will be getting it done again before long once he's removed that trolley jack from his rear end.... :wink:

MattyH16valver

15-03-2006, 00:13

you basicly brought his whole car then :lol: , how much did u get the widetrack setup for??

Near enough m8...:lol: was thinking of getting some coilovers anyway and the ones he has were willy ones, so he said I would need the wide track aswell. Was thinking of getting one anyway, so may aswell get it all done at once. Should b well handy if I start doing a few track days. Don't know how low it will b with the coilovers on.... :wink: Looking at about 500 notes for coilovers,widetrack,springs,lowering..labour.

Lunner

15-03-2006, 11:14

white16valver

20-03-2006, 21:06

Just got mine back from a certain Mr Brown and so far I'm liking it a lot... 8)

I will update when I've had a chance to have a go on some properly twisty bits!

I was quite impressed at the ability to go round one of those 'recommended' 50 limits on the bendy bits between motorways though - think I was touching 95 and staying with the Beemer 530 in front and could easily have been doing 10+mph more I reckon! :D

MatBrown

20-03-2006, 22:42

Some pics of Pauls work.

http://www.dazjw.eclipse.co.uk/mat/work/white16valver/

Mat.

white16valver

20-03-2006, 22:51

:D

Those springs though - they seem to have quite a few less coils than the originals!

MatBrown

20-03-2006, 22:59

Yeah.

Mat.

white16valver

20-03-2006, 23:00

Will mean it's nice and low when they eventually snap! LOL :lol:

Winston

21-03-2006, 03:20

Wide track all the way :D

My coilovers are rather ill .,.,.,.,grrrr you winter and sorry matty

100% new parts using Renault and GSF ....The future :wink: