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craig100
11-02-2006, 20:07
how did u all go on at nick hills today folks?

Daz
11-02-2006, 21:00
'twas a great day.
Cold, but fun..

Nice to meet everyone (again!)! :lol:

big hp
11-02-2006, 21:21
Yeh good day, nice to meet everyone again. Bloody cold though.

I got 146.8 @ the wheels.

richy
11-02-2006, 21:31
yup as above nice to meet everyone, cold as, and im shattered lol

just uploading all pics so ill put a thread up on media with all pics soon :)

craig100
11-02-2006, 22:01
glad you enjoyed it,wish i could of made it just to see what mine is at wheels and meet every1.sure there will be plenty of time

Martin
11-02-2006, 22:22
I'm knackered lol was good to meet a few new people..

FATBOY
11-02-2006, 22:25
just got in!!!! was a good day and f in cold!"!!!!! was a good blat down the M1 on the way home with jay and scott! :wink: :D

big hp
11-02-2006, 22:32
just got in!!!! was a good day and f in cold!"!!!!! was a good blat down the M1 on the way home with jay and scott! :wink: :D


Aye. Until that Zafira flashed me to move out way when we was performing a rolling toad block, LOL. She/hs soon got willied 8)

jay s
11-02-2006, 22:37
sorry about losing u boys :oops: , but i thought what a wanker when i saw that bus thing flash u big hp and decided id teach the cunt a lesson :wink: .... got a few pics coming...

Dancliovalver
11-02-2006, 22:37
so who was most powerful?

Martin
11-02-2006, 22:41
so who was most powerful?

It's not about peak power :wink: but I believe Dave got 161bhp atw in his 172... :shock: impressive

big hp
11-02-2006, 22:43
sorry about losing u boys :oops: , but i thought what a wanker when i saw that bus thing flash u big hp and decided id teach the c**t a lesson :wink: .... got a few pics coming...

Haha, no worries fella, i sped up 2 times to stop them getting past then backed off, she came past then I saw you fly off in hot pursuit, i got off m/way bout 1 mile down road anyway

Dancliovalver
11-02-2006, 22:47
so who was most powerful?

It's not about peak power :wink: but I believe Dave got 161bhp atw in his 172... :shock: impressive

ahhh i see

how did u get on martin?

FATBOY
11-02-2006, 22:58
lol! yeah jay we lost you mate! you floored it and went after that zafira! lol me and scott pulled off at the services(the old girl was desperate for a drink after all that highspeed action)

my bloody cracked screen has got worse as well! :cry:

jay s
11-02-2006, 23:02
well had a good day ( very cold tho ) apart from a little accident with my car when it came off the rollers, tyres were hot and a bit of wood got stuck to them which then got lodged in the arch and caused it to crack :roll: , not a problem tho as ill get a second hand one job sorted. car made 141hp atw but was told it is lean topend and will make more power once the modded fuel pump is fitted and gets another map so back to hillpower in a month for a little discount :wink:, convoy home was also very good as when i lost the others i found a old shape civic type r to play with which was also fun ( maybe he read my new wc.co.uk sticker and will come visit us :D , was behind me long enough). bighp did you know your car was spitting flames quite a few time but i could'nt get a pic sorry :x anyway my pics...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1184.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1192.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1195.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1194.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1196.jpg
fatboy in the middle and big hp on farside
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1190.jpg
fatboyscar
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1188.jpg
and again sitting still on the m1 :shock:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/jay16v-/DSCF1189.jpg
your exh sounds lovely mate was music to my ears, sorry big hp but i could'nt get a pic off your car :cry:

2 live
11-02-2006, 23:08
fuk the power.....who got the better of who on th erun home?? lol

Martin
11-02-2006, 23:09
so who was most powerful?

It's not about peak power :wink: but I believe Dave got 161bhp atw in his 172... :shock: impressive

ahhh i see

how did u get on martin?

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/1072/hybridrollingroad1mw.th.jpg (http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hybridrollingroad1mw.jpg)

Dancliovalver
11-02-2006, 23:12
lol i dont really undersatnd them very much
:oops:

Zollo
11-02-2006, 23:15
Good to see everyone again, and meet some new faces too. Top day 8)

jay s
11-02-2006, 23:16
fuk the power.....who got the better of who on th erun home?? lol

um not sure about the other 2 but when when hit the renault private test track wound her round to 135mph once or twice :wink: , did'nt fill like it was lean topend, fills quick enough already :D

Zollo
11-02-2006, 23:17
Jay, didn't Nick offer to pay for the wing? Wasn't it his fault?

FlamingMonkey
11-02-2006, 23:17
fuk the power.....who got the better of who on th erun home?? lol

um not sure about the other 2 but when when hit the renault private test track wound her round to 135mph once or twice :wink: , did'nt fill like it was lean topend, fills quick enough already :D

Jay how did yours compare to fatboys and hps, did you have any one on ones?

FATBOY
11-02-2006, 23:19
lol nice pics jay! i wasnt behind scott for long enough to see his flames! was the zorst sounding loud then mate? :D

jay s
11-02-2006, 23:28
Jay, didn't Nick offer to pay for the wing? Wasn't it his fault?

i would'nt say it was his fault as he was in the car, no one noticed not even me till it was making a cracking sound and someone shouted STOP, he has offered me a discount for when i go back to do the fuel pump and map so should'nt cost much. im not to bothred at the min after all iv gone through owning a clio just lucky they have cheap plastic :D , thing is tho when you sign that bit of paper before you run your car it basicly meens you accept anything that happens inc engines exploding :shock:

never did have a 1 on 1 or did we? :wink:

jay s
11-02-2006, 23:29
lol nice pics jay! i wasnt behind scott for long enough to see his flames! was the zorst sounding loud then mate? :D

yours sound mental mate :D , very very loud....

Zollo
11-02-2006, 23:38
Jay, didn't Nick offer to pay for the wing? Wasn't it his fault?

i would'nt say it was his fault as he was in the car, no one noticed not even me till it was making a cracking sound and someone shouted STOP, he has offered me a discount for when i go back to do the fuel pump and map so should'nt cost much. im not to bothred at the min after all iv gone through owning a clio just lucky they have cheap plastic :D , thing is tho when you sign that bit of paper before you run your car it basicly meens you accept anything that happens inc engines exploding :shock:

never did have a 1 on 1 or did we? :wink:

Yeah, spose it wasn't anyone's fault. Still, bummer though :(

1 on 1? What d'ya mean?! :? :P

FATBOY
11-02-2006, 23:53
lol 1 on 1! basically matt we had a bit of fun along the M1 on the way home!

FlamingMonkey
11-02-2006, 23:56
Hope you've got a stella in your hand Fatboy ;)

Zollo
11-02-2006, 23:57
Oh right, he was talking to you :oops:

Drove down the M40 and A34 all on my own :(

Managed 143 (136 GPS) on the way though (whilst driving out of HP's private access road) :D

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 00:06
lol im now lost???? who was talkin to who??? no mate no stella! dont feel like just feel very tired and im just on the coca-cola! mincy i know but i need a rest sometimes! lol

FlamingMonkey
12-02-2006, 00:11
ahh no stellas thats a crime, its saturday night.

The 1 on one thing I was referring to anyone, the northern quarter everytime we meet, end up racing each other, to see who has the quickest on the road, I was wondering who beasted who? :P

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 00:20
ahhhh now i get ya! well we were havin a bit of fun takin it in turns in taking the lead but there was one moment when scotty booted it and must admit left me behind a bit! lol

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 00:59
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/fatboy78/RRdayresults.jpg

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 01:14
Was a good day, didn't know Mk1's could rev so high! Good to meet you all (sorry my car was disgusting), some seriously looked after cars there too.

Here's my data (just need to sort my tracking out now)...

http://www.rsclio.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/graph.jpg

http://www.rsclio.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/figures.jpg

dannyt
12-02-2006, 08:59
looks as though it was a good day, what did the rest of the boys get, any good discounts?

Maz
12-02-2006, 10:28
Cracking day.. big thanks to Northy and Gaz for organising it ..

Good to meet some new peeps ...

I am still trying to work out wtf it is all about :oops: lol

Maz :D

Craig
12-02-2006, 12:31
gutted i missed it.

feking car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

big hp
12-02-2006, 18:09
Jay

I thought it might flame as it sounds like it does, just never been told. Did they look impressive? 8)

big hp
12-02-2006, 18:10
ahhhh now i get ya! well we were havin a bit of fun takin it in turns in taking the lead but there was one moment when scotty booted it and must admit left me behind a bit! lol

:oops: Sorry mate.






8)

jay s
12-02-2006, 18:35
looked wicked mate :twisted: , tried to take a pic but the camera was bugging out :cry:

big hp
12-02-2006, 18:51
Cool, i'll be trying to get it flaming everywhere now. :twisted:

Mattie
12-02-2006, 19:04
nice 2 meet sum more people...sory didnt stay long guys had 2 shoot of to GSF b4 it closed .....couldnt find it and gave up in the end though lol

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 21:11
scott and jay did you see that dude in that peugeot(i think???) ??? he was trying to join in! lol i think we all left him for dust mate! he did smile tho lol

Swervin_Mervin
12-02-2006, 21:38
Top day out guys, even if I have lost all the toes on both feet due to the cold. :P

Also great thanks to Mr Zollo for allowing my first drive of a Williams. Was really good to try one at last and compare the 2 cars. A quick review will follow.

For all those wanting at the fly figures, divide by 0.8. Multpilying by 1.2 is incorrect. :wink:

I can't believe the cold really makes that much difference to figures though. I mean mine made 130atf corrected and 145atf observed. :shock:

I mean, cold air = 15bhp? Mental.

MatBrown
12-02-2006, 22:12
For all those wanting at the fly figures, divide by 0.8. Multpilying by 1.2 is incorrect. :wink:


My bad, i was just adding 20% not taking the flywheel figure as 100%.



Mat.

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 22:57
For all those wanting at the fly figures, divide by 0.8. Multpilying by 1.2 is incorrect. :wink:

I'm new to all this mate, so do I divide my 161 atw by 0.8 ?

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 23:05
same ere mate! so your 161.9 divided by 0.8 = 202.3 atf ???

mine was 134.3 atw divided by 0.8 = 167.8???? ah so mine is 167.8 at the fly?

Maz
12-02-2006, 23:08
I havn't got a clue what mine was .. had it explained about 10 times too :oops: lol

Maz

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 23:11
I havn't got a clue what mine was .. had it explained about 10 times too :oops: lol

Maz

someone was looking very worried when theres was on the rollers! lol i was worried as hell when mine was going top whack on there! thought it was gonna blow up or something! cant wait till the next one, in a few weeks for me @bb tuning! be a good way to see how much difference nicks and bb's rollers have

MatBrown
12-02-2006, 23:15
Thing is, the transmission loss is only a guess and varies from car to car.



Mat.

Maz
12-02-2006, 23:15
I havn't got a clue what mine was .. had it explained about 10 times too :oops: lol

Maz

someone was looking very worried when theres was on the rollers! lol i was worried as hell when mine was going top whack on there! thought it was gonna blow up or something! cant wait till the next one, in a few weeks for me @bb tuning! be a good way to see how much difference nicks and bb's rollers have

Lol I was worried mate .. I was an RR Virgin .. :oops:

Was a good day eventhough I didn't have a clue .. :shock:

Maz :wink:

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 23:15
Cheers for that mate, 202 seems rather high for all i've had done. I'd have sworn my limiter usually comes in way before 8k RPM, just sounds so mad when your outside the car and bonnet up! :/

MatBrown
12-02-2006, 23:17
And Dave's figure was 147.6 which equates to 184.5 with a 20% transmission loss.



Mat.

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 23:18
That sounds more like it!

Maz
12-02-2006, 23:20
Think mine was 150 .. what does that mean please :oops:

Maz

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 23:24
ooops i stand corrected! i was always crap at maths!!! lol :oops:

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 23:25
187.5 bhp at the flywheel I think Maz.

jay s
12-02-2006, 23:29
using the above method gets me 176.7 bhp atf , and was told its down on power due to running lean :D , maz your car would be 188.8 bhp at the flywheel, not bad considering your engine is probley still tight ( because its new ) . mat you got any wings to sell, ph2 grill and underlight bit in 449 aswell???

Dave Cli02
12-02-2006, 23:31
Jay, I just did 150 divided by 0.8, is that right?

jay s
12-02-2006, 23:32
yep but i thought she got 151bhp atw :?:

FATBOY
12-02-2006, 23:37
i think northy is gonna make a post with everyones results and the converted figures i think???

stew
12-02-2006, 23:54
hopefully!

it would be great to see everyones different power outputs together.
some good figures there - suppose it helps being so cold!

8)

big hp
13-02-2006, 00:14
Tues @ chipwizards - 151.3 @ wheels = 189.125 @ fly

Sat @ Hillpower - 146.8 @ wheels = 183.5 @ fly

big hp
13-02-2006, 00:18
scott and jay did you see that dude in that peugeot(i think???) ??? he was trying to join in! lol i think we all left him for dust mate! he did smile tho lol


Yeh we had a little play with that 106 gti, he wasn't in the same league though. I spat a couple of flames at him, was popping and banging like a gooden on the M1, especially when revving car past 5k and letting off. 8)

richy
13-02-2006, 00:21
Tues @ chipwizards - 151.3 @ wheels = 189.125 @ fly

Sat @ Hillpower - 146.8 @ wheels = 183.5 @ fly

considering different rolloers it does show its around that level depending conditon etc on day

def good result tho bighp!! :)

big hp
13-02-2006, 00:30
Tues @ chipwizards - 151.3 @ wheels = 189.125 @ fly

Sat @ Hillpower - 146.8 @ wheels = 183.5 @ fly

considering different rolloers it does show its around that level depending conditon etc on day

def good result tho bighp!! :)


Yeh shows its on the money.

Only criticism I have is they struggled to find my rev limit apparantly, he was only revving it to 6.5k, and the torque was nice and progressive (they showed me all 3 runs) On the third run where it got 146.8 they bounced it off limiter (7100) but at 3.5k ish the torque seemed to drop right off. Can only assume its something nick done in car as other 2 runs had a bang on flat torque line.

northy
13-02-2006, 09:44
Was a great day - thanks again to everyonr who joined us.

Glad to catch up with the regulars and meet some new ones aswell.

I will post up everyones results when i recieve them from nick.

Mine mate 131bhp corrected and andys 121 corrected.

At mini sport mine made 134 so Hill Powers seem bang on.

MatBrown
13-02-2006, 11:14
Will be better when Northy gets the list up, at the minute we have people quoting both observed and corrected figures.



Mat.

Swervin_Mervin
13-02-2006, 11:21
For all those wanting at the fly figures, divide by 0.8. Multpilying by 1.2 is incorrect. :wink:


My bad, i was just adding 20% not taking the flywheel figure as 100%.



Mat.

No worries. I didn't believe I was right at first as Chris' made 197 on that basis. :shock:

Like you say though, tranny losses will be different from car to car, as will the losses on the rollers.

Chris n`nic
13-02-2006, 11:36
yeah...in all honesty I would say the old add 10 divide by 0.9 is about right...that would make mine 185ish which is probably more realistic

Chris

northy
13-02-2006, 11:51
i didnt keep a record of everones runs. but nick is sending me all the info you guys got and i will post up then.

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 10:34
Apparently running rich, with a throttle potentiometer problem

http://www.coates.eclipse.co.uk/rroad.jpg

Martin
14-02-2006, 11:33
Compare it with mine and your has got much better torque ...your peaks at only 6.1k though where as mine peaks at 6.8k :?

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/1072/hybridrollingroad1mw.jpg

northy
14-02-2006, 11:51
my torque is just under 120. martin - can u do a screen shot for me ???

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 12:48
I have just knocked up a quick torque graph from Martins and my results, if anyone is interested I can do this with everyones torque and BHP figues on if you like, would put both figures on the graph but I think it will be too messy with 2 figures x 15 or so people.

Let me know what you reckon.

The figures aren't 100% I would need everyones table figures from the day, rather than trying to get them off the graph.

http://www.coates.eclipse.co.uk/rroadchart.gif

northy
14-02-2006, 12:53
need to get hold of my results.... :evil:

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 14:45
Chris, Dave, Jay and Fatboys graphs are using the correct figures, mine and martins I went off the graph which is not very accurate, people post you sheets and I will put them into ths graph

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 14:50
BHP Corrected

http://www.coates.eclipse.co.uk/rroadchartcorrected.gif

northy
14-02-2006, 14:54
dont think your results are on the last one mate.

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 14:57
dont think your results are on the last one mate.

Aye I only have my graph here an martins, the other i had access to the table of figures, Ill work it out from the graph and update it when I get home and have the correct figures

EDIT: I can't work it out correctly from the graph

jay s
14-02-2006, 21:08
any 1 fancy having a guess why my torque fig is low, thought i would produce more torque considering mods? could it be due to running lean? at the mo peak torque is between 5800-6000rpm @ 107.9 ft-lb , and how did it manage 129bhp ( 141 obs-pwr ) as i thought they got the bhp figure from the torque?

FlamingMonkey
14-02-2006, 22:12
Ill post a graph up of mine and your side by side Jay with Fatboys

I think we have similar mods, I have Kent Cams, Exhaust, Decat, Panel Filter and Remap, Nick told me I'm running rich.

What I don't undertand is if Nick built your engine etc, how can it be running lean, I'd ask him to check it out for you maybe dude?

Fatboys car must be a beast on the road for an almost standard car 8)


http://www.coates.eclipse.co.uk/monkey_jay__fatboy_torque.gif

http://www.coates.eclipse.co.uk/monkey_jay__fatboy_bhp.gif

Martin
14-02-2006, 22:36
Good work Rob...some interesting results there...shows that similar mods can have very different results...the low down torque on your is very good and fatboy's seems impressive too i though mine would have more as it feels very much like the nana in terms of midrange pull...

I've posted my figures in the other thread...

jay s
14-02-2006, 22:38
my car does'nt look to well on that graph, seems well down on torque :( , could be running lean for a few reasons imo, 1st is when the eng was mapped 1st time it had a viper on which we know is restrictive, then changed to std airbox with itg filter. 2nd is car was also mapped with the modded fuelpump but now has the 1.8 pump at the sec ( maybe not enough fuel pressure ) 3. had a problem with the car a little while ago which turned out to be an inj plug came off the inj causing it to run on 3 inj for around 30miles. 4. engine has taken a good whack when i smashed the oter car. im thinking the torque loss could be due to me using the valver manifold ( think its time for a change )?

Martin
14-02-2006, 22:45
I would have expected more torque from yours tbh jay.....northy's and rob's are excellent mid range..fatboy's too.. Mine seems a little puny similar to your though :(

jay s
14-02-2006, 22:54
so did i mate, going to be taking it to hillpower again when i get paid in 2 weeks to get it remapped and fuelpump fitted. nick said it will make more power once its sorted, ( so torque shold be up ) see what it gets then... also going to the bb rr day so will be a good comparison. as it is tho the car still fills fast as fook and manages to scare the hell out off me, esp topend...

FATBOY
14-02-2006, 22:57
basically guys ive got a good un then??? if so then im happy! :D i hope we can get all these graphs and everything etc into one post!

northy
15-02-2006, 09:32
get a williams manifold back on jay - or get that supersprint he has tucked away.

FlamingMonkey
15-02-2006, 10:00
basically guys ive got a good un then??? if so then im happy! :D i hope we can get all these graphs and everything etc into one post!
Once I get all the figures dude I will post up the graphs in a new thread, I can do comparisons like the ones above if you just wanna compare say 2 similar cars etc.