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measor
16-11-2005, 22:33
was following one down a dual carriageway and he was giving it the beans but wasn't going anywhere and wouldnt get out of my way as I was up his arse, then we both stopped at the lights side by side and I pissed all over him as you'd expect.

Justin..
17-11-2005, 20:28
:D

gtbloke
18-11-2005, 08:44
I dont reckon there would be an awful lot in it until 70+ and this is coming from a valver owner 8)

just a guess mind u

Jamie.
18-11-2005, 13:20
i had a race with an rsi and i was a car length or so behind from a rolling start...... to abt 55ish chng into 3rd i only pulled 2.5 car lengths, thus now 1 car length ish ahead..... however once into 3rd i romped away once at 75 i chnaged to 5th as i had pulled another couple of car lengths and didnt see point in carrying on as it wasnt a challenge. but i thought i would have pulled away more, but i spose 4 car lengths to 75 isnt too shabby.

measor
19-11-2005, 12:51
I thought it would put up more of a challange to myself but from 1st gear onwards I pulled futher and further away n by 3rd gear I was about 6 car legnths ahead[/quote]

Lunner
20-11-2005, 18:57
Race aghainst a proper RSi, at teh airfield day i had a couple of drag races against a valver, first one was almost neck and neck, he won by a whisker, and the 2nd one i fudged up my start and he won by miles

gtbloke
21-11-2005, 03:34
There isnt a lot in it upto 70 as i said before but at higher speeds there is no way an rsi will keep pace with a valver... nuff said 8)

VIPERONE
21-11-2005, 03:41
Anytime lunner ;-)

measor
21-11-2005, 12:28
Race aghainst a proper RSi, at teh airfield day i had a couple of drag races against a valver, first one was almost neck and neck, he won by a whisker, and the 2nd one i fudged up my start and he won by miles

And what exactly is a proper RSi?

J o n
21-11-2005, 13:19
same as a proper valver or williams these days i think... ie, stripped to the absolute tits! lol

cant see the point personally, back seats and spare out yes, removing half the car, big no for me.

Lunner
27-11-2005, 18:38
Race aghainst a proper RSi, at teh airfield day i had a couple of drag races against a valver, first one was almost neck and neck, he won by a whisker, and the 2nd one i fudged up my start and he won by miles

And what exactly is a proper RSi?

Ok, proper as in a fast one, not, by the sounds of it a slow one

gtbloke
28-11-2005, 04:11
Ok, proper as in a fast one, not, by the sounds of it a slow one

Fair comment but the same could be said of a valver 8)

Valvers are faster end of rant... if they arent then why did renault even bother manufacturing them :?:

measor
28-11-2005, 13:30
What makes the one I encountered a slow one, I like to think that maybe my valvers a fast one :wink:

Lunner
29-11-2005, 18:03
If anyone wants to strip their car and have a go at being faster at the next track day go for it.

In a straight line they are faster, i'll admit that, but round a track RSi is faster, you all know as well as i do that you have all the valver's power in the last 2k of the rev range, on the RSi you have full torque from 2.5k upwards, ie pulling faster out of corners, faster intial speed downt eh straights, can overtake

Lunner
29-11-2005, 18:04
....plus they are about 30kgs lighter as std :lol:

Andyvalver
29-11-2005, 18:15
:roll:

Lunner
29-11-2005, 18:40
:roll:

Two words.......Bring it!

:lol:

Andyvalver
29-11-2005, 18:57
If a valver ever drops below 4k when being driven hard then its not being driven hard enough imo :twisted:

Lunner
29-11-2005, 20:00
Obvously never done a track day then

If you enter a longish corner at 4k, you'll be backing off before you get out of it or hitting the limiter

Zollo
29-11-2005, 20:05
In a straight line they are faster, i'll admit that, but round a track RSi is faster, you all know as well as i do that you have all the valver's power in the last 2k of the rev range, on the RSi you have full torque from 2.5k upwards, ie pulling faster out of corners, faster intial speed downt eh straights, can overtake

I've got to say Lunner, that's not really going to be the case, is it?

F1 cars, BTCC cars, hell, almost every race car, has stacks of power all stuffed at the top of its rev range. On a track you're always on it, always at the top end of your rev range. If you're in the lower part of your rev range coming out of the corner, you're in the wrong gear. Low down torque is always useful, but it isn't nearly as important as outright power :twisted:

Lunner
29-11-2005, 20:13
Still i'm open to challenges, on the road, track or strip, as long as tehre are no engine mods bar breathing mods

Lunner
29-11-2005, 20:16
In a straight line they are faster, i'll admit that, but round a track RSi is faster, you all know as well as i do that you have all the valver's power in the last 2k of the rev range, on the RSi you have full torque from 2.5k upwards, ie pulling faster out of corners, faster intial speed downt eh straights, can overtake

I've got to say Lunner, that's not really going to be the case, is it?

F1 cars, BTCC cars, hell, almost every race car, has stacks of power all stuffed at the top of its rev range. On a track you're always on it, always at the top end of your rev range. If you're in the lower part of your rev range coming out of the corner, you're in the wrong gear. Low down torque is always useful, but it isn't nearly as important as outright power :twisted:

Its not all 16v cars, just valvers, the williams has low down torque, the valver just doesn't

Zollo
29-11-2005, 20:24
What I'm saying is though, a Valver's lack of low down power shouldn't count against it around a track at all, because - so long as the driver doesn't mess up - it'll never be below 5k anyway. :)

Lunner
29-11-2005, 20:45
You managed to keep your williams between 5 and 6.5k revs :shock:

Justin..
29-11-2005, 20:46
on the boil. LARVELY 8)

Zollo
29-11-2005, 20:54
:P Nah! I don't need to keep it above 5k cos, as you say, the Willy is more grunty low down. Plus a Valver revs higher than a Willy, so there's more room to play with after 5k.

Ok, perhaps staying in a 2k power band is a bit much over a whole lap, but you get what I mean... :? ... :wink:

Martin
29-11-2005, 23:25
tbh I think lunner's is pretty quick round the track but thats more due to the driver than the car....stripped out deffo helps too.

I'm bored enough to put together a little comparison vid..

nana chasing lunner's stripped rsi then tom16v's 150 bhp fully loaded 16v...draw your own conclusions.

http://media.putfile.com/hybridvsrsivs16v

Lunner
30-11-2005, 13:26
Nice, didn't realise you had any film of me, not fooking bad considering i'm, what 50+ bhp down on you....running 110, and i think i had a passenger in then too

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 15:20
Obvously never done a track day then

If you enter a longish corner at 4k, you'll be backing off before you get out of it or hitting the limiter

So if entered a longish corner at 3k you would have me for a hole 1k of my rev range and then the valver would pull it back from 4k to 7k and i will make the corner without letting off 8)

Lunner
30-11-2005, 17:55
Yeah but you can't go full throttle in the corner, which is where the RSi has the advantage wiht the lower down torque.....i'll see you on track at FCS 8)

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 17:58
:roll: Alot of fast cars cant go full throttle on long bends, you apply 100% power on the exits :wink:

Lunner
30-11-2005, 18:01
:roll: Alot of fast cars cant go full throttle on long bends, you apply 100% power on the exits :wink:

Yeah by whihc point the RSi is already ahead.

This is comparing an RSi to a valver, they are the only cars lacking low down torque, williams' don't have that problem :?

As i said, i'll see you on track at FCS, or the next club track day, and we'll sort it once and for all on the black stuff

Zollo
30-11-2005, 18:26
I really do believe that your car would be faster around a track with a standard F7P engine fitted, Lunner.

It's worth trying one anyway :P

Lunner
30-11-2005, 18:28
You buy me a std valver engine, ECU etc and i'll fit it and see what happens

Zollo
30-11-2005, 18:32
Last item on that list....

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7691

I can't imagine Jonny wants much for it, and a headgasket change is nothing when it's already out of the car. No excuses :wink:

Lunner
30-11-2005, 18:43
Excuse one:
Still need the ECU, loom, PAS pump, downpipe, manifold etc

Excuse two:
Its ALOT of effort to go through to prove a point, who woudl wanna put a SLOWER engine in their car

Excuse three:
I'd rather spend my time and effort putting a 2.0 in there :D

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 18:44
:roll: Alot of fast cars cant go full throttle on long bends, you apply 100% power on the exits :wink:

Yeah by whihc point the RSi is already ahead.



You saying an rsi goes round corners quicker? :wink:

p.s. Im only messin mate btw :P

Lunner
30-11-2005, 18:47
You think i'm serious too? :lol:

MINE goes round corners faster :twisted:

Was cornering at the same speed as the nana, and thats on coilovers iirc

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 18:51
Do you know what torque an rsi and valver have?

Lunner
30-11-2005, 18:57
I know what torque my RSi has....

104.2 at 4787 rpm

BHP.....

110.0 at 5968 rpm

Car was VERY hot that day, and air cooling fans were poor to say the least, and the exhaust was blowing

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 19:03
Im not sure about mine but on chavsport it says this.. :?

Maximum power 99 Kw ISO
137 bhp DIN
(at 6500 rpm)
Maximum torque 158 Nm ISO
16.5 mkg DIN
(at 4250 rpm


I take it yours is in Nm ISO also?

http://www.cliosport.net/index.php?pid=10

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 19:12
Just found out the torque in a 1992autocar mag ive car which does a review on the 16v vs a fiesta rs1800. It states the clio 16v has a peak torque of 119lbft@ 4250 rpm :wink:



\:D/

Lunner
30-11-2005, 19:19
I never said it has less torque, just that the rsi was lower down the rev range :roll:

http://www.lunner.co.uk/williamsclio/AMDTorqueCurve.jpg

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 19:21
Mate, i cant read that graph. Its a bit blury :?

Zollo
30-11-2005, 19:29
I never said it has less torque, just that the rsi was lower down the rev range :roll:



But the Valver has 15lb/ft more torque, 500rpm lower down the rev range :?

If you're going much lower than 4000rpm on a track, you're definately in the wrong gear.

J o n
30-11-2005, 19:37
I think it's safe to say that you can easily keep a valver on the boil through all the corners round a track, thinking of Yoz... lol

i know he's a fantastic driver, but I also think the likes of 2 live, Monkey, Northy, Martin, Gaz, to name just a few (as well as you other dark horses lol) would be able to keep one on cam round track. You also have to figure in the factor of the long gearing... a lot easier to drive than the Willy when booting it round the corners if you like cornering in the top of the rev range, I found myself hitting the limiter at Donington a lot even with the up limiter. I should have been making more use of the torque really, but think of an ITR or CTR, they are great track cars apparently and very rev happy. The valver has similar basic characteristics in the way the power is all up in the top of the rev range.

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 19:41
Just doing a bit more reading in autocar 1992

Quite handy figures i reckon. 8) (clio 16v)

speed(mph) 4th gear / 5th gear

20-40 mph 7.3 secs/ 10.2 secs

30-50 mph 6.9 secs/ 9.5 secs

40-60 mph 6.7 secs/ 9.4 secs

50-70 mph 6.9 secs/ 9.7 secs

60-80 mph 7.2 secs/ 11.0 secs

70-90 mph 7.7 secs/ 12.2 secs

80-100 mph 9.0 secs/ 14.2 secs

90-110 mph 13.0 secs/ 20.03 secs

Lunner
30-11-2005, 19:50
I never said it has less torque, just that the rsi was lower down the rev range :roll:



But the Valver has 15lb/ft more torque, 500rpm lower down the rev range :?

If you're going much lower than 4000rpm on a track, you're definately in the wrong gear.

Will get a better pic of the graph, but i have no scanner for a decent copy.

My point is its not peak torque, its how its delevered ans when its available, going back to that 2k power band again, my rev limiter is just over 6k, sometimes 6.5k, its hard keeping it in a 2k power band, esp when you have long corners.

For the record i was chasing derv around Anglesey, which is nicley proving my point, short and rwisty, and i was all over him through the corners, he has same mods, not sure if he had a passenger, but he had taken his back seats and sub/amp out as well iirc

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 19:54
For the record i was chasing derv around Anglesey, which is nicley proving my point, short and rwisty, and i was all over him through the corners, he has same mods, not sure if he had a passenger, but he had taken his back seats and sub/amp out as well iirc

You might have been a faster driver? Better tyres/bigger balls? :P

Lunner
30-11-2005, 20:05
LOL, no chance about balls mate lol he was pushing that hard he overshot the hairpinand ended up half in the dirt, whihc is how i got past, he was pulling away on the straights but i was faster through, and out of the corners

Andyvalver
30-11-2005, 20:06
Lol, tbh mate thats a hard one to call. When there's bends involved anyway.

Zollo
30-11-2005, 20:37
LOL, no chance about balls mate lol he was pushing that hard he overshot the hairpinand ended up half in the dirt, whihc is how i got past, he was pulling away on the straights but i was faster through, and out of the corners

Going faster through and out of the corners has nothing to do with 8-valve torque and everything to do with being a better driving or having a better chassis.

The very fact that he was pulling away down the straights, even though you were getting on the throttle earlier, should prove that an F7P is a better engine to have in a track car than the RSi one, surely?

Buy a cheap Valver, take out everything you need, and sell your engine and the remaining Vaver to recoup costs. You have two and a half months till Cadwell....do eeet.... :twisted:

Justin..
30-11-2005, 20:43
^^ lol :D

Martin
30-11-2005, 21:50
TBH Derv did'nt look like he had a clue....that AX kept up with him and that was shit slow!

Lunner
01-12-2005, 00:45
LOL, no chance about balls mate lol he was pushing that hard he overshot the hairpinand ended up half in the dirt, whihc is how i got past, he was pulling away on the straights but i was faster through, and out of the corners

Going faster through and out of the corners has nothing to do with 8-valve torque and everything to do with being a better driving or having a better chassis.

The very fact that he was pulling away down the straights, even though you were getting on the throttle earlier, should prove that an F7P is a better engine to have in a track car than the RSi one, surely?

Buy a cheap Valver, take out everything you need, and sell your engine and the remaining Vaver to recoup costs. You have two and a half months till Cadwell....do eeet.... :twisted:

I had to back off in the corners, i was BEHIND him, lol

So i exited to corners at the same speed, if i had been infront i woudl ahve been away,a nd teh slight bit more speed on the straight woudoln't have mattered.

Still wanna find a valver to go head to head with

gtbloke
01-12-2005, 08:02
im guessing the rsi has similar performance to an 8v mk2 golf gti, and its funny how i absolutely TOASTED one a few weeks back :lol:

and that was in my slow valver :wink:

8)

Plattsy
01-12-2005, 11:23
think rsi's are quicker than golfs, the mk2/3 gtis are very slow...they are made from sherman tanks!

gtbloke
01-12-2005, 11:58
Good thing.... i left him by a shedload... deffo an 8v mk2.... these rsi boys dont scare me tho :wink:

on a serious note tho i have driven a couple of clio rsi's and they are compareable to the citroen saxo vtr / golf 8v gti... though im pretty sure ppl will argue this fact.

Plattsy
01-12-2005, 12:42
iirc the
Clio rsi is:
110bhp
0-60 in 8.5 secs
Clio 16v is
137bhp
0-60 in 7.7 secs
Not all that much of a difference really only 0.7secs on the sprint to 60 and with a stripped out rsi vs a completely standard valver aswell as a few other mods the rsi id give the rsi the advantage.
But! put a good driver in either car and spec wont matter! a good driver on a track will outperform more powerful cars! only way for the rsi to win with them both being standard is to put someone who cant drive in the valver :D

Lunner
01-12-2005, 14:45
I toasted my mates mk2 golf gti 16v :P

JonnyK
01-12-2005, 14:52
if you know how to take it out, you can have the wiring loom, downpipe, manifolds and ECU, power steering etc.. from my car for 150quid! everything you would need !

J o n
01-12-2005, 14:52
I toasted my mates mk2 golf gti 16v :P

would expect it to tbh, griffidh's valver mullered one completely even after the golf got on the power well before him. still think a valver would be faster round track than the RSI both using same driver in same conditions etc.

Lunner
01-12-2005, 14:53
LOL, i know how to take it out, but i really DON'T want a valver engine, why downgrade :lol:

Plattsy
01-12-2005, 15:06
i might have a willy engine if your interested? thinking about breaking my hybrid....let me kno

J o n
01-12-2005, 15:18
LOL, i know how to take it out, but i really DON'T want a valver engine, why downgrade :lol:

PMSL, I'm actually getting the impression you seriously believe that!

Plattsy
01-12-2005, 15:25
lol
someone either prove him right or wrong then instead of babble lol

JonnyK
01-12-2005, 15:27
u could add a 2.0 bottom end a presto! lol

but seriously, u started with a halfway house between a clio RT and a Valver that has sideskirts lol.. cheap man's valver :lol:

Andyvalver
01-12-2005, 15:31
iirc the
Clio rsi is:
110bhp
0-60 in 8.5 secs
Clio 16v is
137bhp
0-60 in 7.7 secs
Not all that much of a difference really only 0.7secs on the sprint to 60 and with a stripped out rsi vs a completely standard valver aswell as a few other mods the rsi id give the rsi the advantage.
But! put a good driver in either car and spec wont matter! a good driver on a track will outperform more powerful cars! only way for the rsi to win with them both being standard is to put someone who cant drive in the valver :D

Only 0.7 to 60 yeah, but then whats the difference to a ton? 0.7 on the 1/4 mile would be quite a bit of a difference too.

Imo an rsi is like a 16v is to a williams, good but not good enough :P

Lunner
01-12-2005, 15:32
lol
someone either prove him right or wrong then instead of babble lol

Told you lot next track day i'll take on as many valvers ar you want....unless yoz or fred are driving

Zollo
01-12-2005, 15:36
Has anyone got a rolling road print out of a standard Valver?

kj16v
02-12-2005, 00:30
RSi is to valver what R5 GTX to GTT, and like school in summer - NO CLASS!!

Face it RSIs are what Mums Shop at Iceland with!!

Only joking mate :P Hmm I think we run the risk of having to it some humble pie at the next meet. Where's that NOS?...

gtbloke
02-12-2005, 10:26
Way i see it is if he likes his rsi then he can keep it!!

i will keep my valver cheers... if only for the fact it sounds better than an rsi ever will :lol:

only jesting mate :wink:

Plattsy
02-12-2005, 11:56
you can put figures down on the table saying its faster on paper but once you put it to the tarmac then its a completely different ball game, its down to the driver, tyres, suspension, brakes etc. just because your cars more powerful dont mean it will win!
My mates 300bhp+ nova van can waste a lambo galardo or whatever it was! now whats that say?

Lunner
02-12-2005, 18:25
you can put figures down on the table saying its faster on paper but once you put it to the tarmac then its a completely different ball game, its down to the driver, tyres, suspension, brakes etc. just because your cars more powerful dont mean it will win!
My mates 300bhp+ nova van can waste a lambo galardo or whatever it was! now whats that say?

Exactly, i have one contender for the meet, will try to hook up ym digi cam and record his toasting.....maybe i shoudl point it out the back window instead of the front :lol:

Andyvalver
02-12-2005, 18:34
You see Lunner, its down to being a better driver :P I bet if you had 1 lap in your rsi and then i lent you my valver for 1 lap you would put a better lap in with the valver on any track. :D

Plattsy
02-12-2005, 18:48
you could win the race against the valver but unless u absolutely wipe the floor with him then it dont count really since the driver might not be a very good one, when youve done the same to a few valvers with dif drivers, pref track day regulars then you can be classed as a valver eating rsi lol

Lunner
02-12-2005, 19:10
If anyone wants to lend me their valver at the next track day........have someone stood timing the lap....and then they can ahve a go in my RSi...but they need to be tall lol.

1 out lap, 2 hot laps and 1 in lap in their own car, in other car, practise sessions consisting of 10 laps on track, and then 1 out lap, 2 hot laps and 1 in lap.

Only rules are any damage caused....driver pays for.....and i'm NOT having my car written off, it will be repaired, what ever the cost...and i will extend the same curtosy to the other driver/car

Lunner
02-12-2005, 19:11
you could win the race against the valver but unless u absolutely wipe the floor with him then it dont count really since the driver might not be a very good one, when youve done the same to a few valvers with dif drivers, pref track day regulars then you can be classed as a valver eating rsi lol

I'm not goinf to absoloutly wipe the floor wiht a car that is, on paper faster :roll: ....but i will be faster :twisted:

"Any racer will tell you....any real racer....winning is winning whether its by an inch or a mile"....one of my favourite quotes lol

Andyvalver
02-12-2005, 19:14
Lol, you have been watching the fast and the furious too much. :lol: Thats why you think your faster :wink:

arj256
02-12-2005, 19:17
lol
someone either prove him right or wrong then instead of babble lol

Told you lot next track day i'll take on as many valvers ar you want....unless yoz or fred are driving

That sounds like a challange :twisted:

Zollo
02-12-2005, 19:20
Only rules are any damage caused....driver pays for.....and i'm NOT having my car written off, it will be repaired, what ever the cost...and i will extend the same curtosy to the other driver/car

Lunner, you should state that if someone's car gets crashed, they get to keep the other person's car. You'd be on to a win then :lol:


:wink:

VIPERONE
02-12-2005, 20:05
put it on a 1.4 mile that will fairly decide the winner... you have more track experience than most and know the limits of your vehicle.. 1/4 mile is less driver skill..more engine power

Lunner
02-12-2005, 21:38
Yeah but its straight line speed, that not whats up for debate, its the RSi is faster outa the corners.....plus i'm absoloutly shit at quarter miling.

I'll take adam on on the next track day, hes got about as much track experience as i have....but no slicks! :wink:

Martin
02-12-2005, 22:08
I think Lunner will be owned by adamski in the valver.. :P

Lunner
02-12-2005, 22:12
I think Lunner will be owned by adamski in the valver.. :P

:-$

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 06:33
Yeah but its straight line speed, that not whats up for debate, its the RSi is faster outa the corners.....plus i'm absoloutly s**t at quarter miling.

I'll take adam on on the next track day, hes got about as much track experience as i have....but no slicks! :wink:

You said the rsi would be better mid corner to start with, due to the way the power is delivered :? On the exits a valver will be between 4k and 7k and you no what that means. Bye bye rsi :wink:

Jamie.
03-12-2005, 11:32
Yeah but its straight line speed, that not whats up for debate, its the RSi is faster outa the corners....

WHAT?!?! the only way a valver would be off power exiting a corner/fooked would be a corner which required u to take it abt 15mph as u wont be able to ram it into 1st and the valver will be off power for a sec/or two at most. as for the rsi above 60 its really quite slow imo

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 13:35
Who says you cant ram it in 1st at 15mph? :lol: You get 40 mph in first :wink:

Plattsy
03-12-2005, 16:44
bloody hell i only get just over 30 lol but thats wi lower willy limiter and valver box

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 16:56
:shock: I thought 40 in first was normall. 40mph at 7k 8)

Jamie.
03-12-2005, 16:58
:shock: I thought 40 in first was normall. 40mph at 7k 8)

me too, my mates valver hits 40 in 1st with std set-up

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 17:30
I take it a willy hits about 35mph then due to the lower limiter?

Plattsy
03-12-2005, 17:31
yeh brt 35 or something, limits at about 6.4/5k

Lunner
03-12-2005, 18:27
Yeah but its straight line speed, that not whats up for debate, its the RSi is faster outa the corners....

WHAT?!?! the only way a valver would be off power exiting a corner/fooked would be a corner which required u to take it abt 15mph as u wont be able to ram it into 1st and the valver will be off power for a sec/or two at most. as for the rsi above 60 its really quite slow imo

Well if you are already going faster from mid corner, stands to reason you will be exiting the corner faster :roll:

Martin
03-12-2005, 18:28
hmm mine does'nt do 40 in first...about 30,60,87,110 & 146ish

Jamie.
03-12-2005, 18:28
in what way does a rsi out handle a valver?

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 18:36
in what way does a rsi out handle a valver?

It wont. Its more than likley gonna be very simular handling but the valver having more power will make it quicker. :D

Lunner
03-12-2005, 19:00
Think i ahve confused myself above, it has more low down torque then a valver, so esp on slower corners, when you floor it the RSi will ahve the early initial power.

My 60ft time is something like 2.40 seconds iirc, its only JUST over what 2live quoted for his cammed williams

Jamie.
03-12-2005, 19:03
Think i ahve confused myself above, it has more low down torque then a valver, so esp on slower corners, when you floor it the RSi will ahve the early initial power.

My 60ft time is something like 2.40 seconds iirc, its only JUST over what 2live quoted for his cammed williams


right i get u. so what ur saying is, as long as u are on a race track which has 60ft sprints between corners u will be fine, well as quick as a cammed williams. this thread is so long and pointless lol.

Martin
03-12-2005, 19:27
2live got 2.2 basically 2.2 is very good 2.3 average 2.4 bad and 2.5 you are an idiot! All in a 2.0...

Lunner
03-12-2005, 19:28
LOL, no i'm saying that an RSi is faster ropund a track than a valver, which is 27bhp up on the RSi.

I matched pace wiht a williams on shitty overheating thin tyres at Donnington for about 5/6 laps

Chris H
03-12-2005, 19:30
drivers, engine condition etc all come into it though.

its like someone saying a 1.4 would have a williams round a b road, it might!

Power isn't everything, you might onyl go round a corner at 30mph in your williams the 1.2 owner might have the balls to take the corner at 55.

Jamie.
03-12-2005, 19:33
right i get u. so what ur saying is, as long as u are on a race track which has 60ft sprints between corners u will be fine, well as quick as a cammed williams.

that was suposed to be sarcastic nm

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 19:34
Lunner, give it up man :wink: lol

You might win an endurance race because a valver would probably have some kind of earthing problem about 3-4 laps in or destroy its gearbox lol

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 19:36
drivers, engine condition etc all come into it though.

its like someone saying a 1.4 would have a williams round a b road, it might!

Power isn't everything, you might onyl go round a corner at 30mph in your williams the 1.2 owner might have the balls to take the corner at 55.


We have had that one alredy chris lol. If the same driver did 2 laps in both cars im confident his/her quicker lap would be in the valver on any curcuit.

richy
03-12-2005, 19:44
If anyone wants to strip their car and have a go at being faster at the next track day go for it.



does my car count? its stripped, i didnt have a problem passing u at donny, remember u braking a fair bit earlier then me and the blue golf gti on the big straight to lol :wink:

oh yeah get to cadwell no excuses, bayliss has a stripped valver and rich has a valver std both will be there so u got ya chance :wink:

Rich
03-12-2005, 19:46
i'm game lunner if you are son, wont be trying to push you off the track or owt just be nice to have a good legal do and see if you eat your words or not :lol:

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 19:52
:shock: I predict fighting at the next meet :wink:

Rich
03-12-2005, 20:18
he he no no, just all out track action :twisted:

J o n
03-12-2005, 20:22
LOL, no i'm saying that an RSi is faster ropund a track than a valver, which is 27bhp up on the RSi.

I matched pace wiht a williams on shitty overheating thin tyres at Donnington for about 5/6 laps

mate that's obviously a badly driven Willy then from someone who's both inexperienced and lacking confidence, as this was my first trackday and i'm sure you never got past me... I don't know if we were on track at the same time but i didn't get over-taken by one clio all day although there were a few i didn't see on track.

i don't know where this thread is going now really and we seem to be just going round in circles. best thing to do is save it all for the next track day, but lets keep things sensible chaps, i don't want anyone hitting me or someone elses car trying to prove a point... :roll:

Rich
03-12-2005, 20:48
exactly what my post was about mate, sensible, realistic track driving, especially @ cadwell as it aint like wales where you can get away with going off the track, you will be in the barrieres v.quick at cadders

richy
03-12-2005, 21:06
yup its not a full on race! just abit of fun and no one wants a smash there cars up!

VIPERONE
03-12-2005, 21:20
lunner will end up killing himself or writing his car off... if he wont admit defeat on here..lol he wont admit iton the track lool...


balls of steel are whats required.

Andyvalver
03-12-2005, 21:20
yup its a full on race! just abit of fun and i want to smash there car up!

Calm down fella :roll:



:wink:

richy
04-12-2005, 00:31
yup its a full on race! just abit of fun and i want to smash there car up!

Calm down fella :roll:



:wink:

lol :lol:

stew
04-12-2005, 02:13
hmm mine does'nt do 40 in first...about 30,60,87,110 & 146ish

Snap!


LOL - This is an amusing thread! Its like a F7P V's F7R thread! Everyone knows the F7R is faster! LOL :wink: :wink: :roll: :twisted:

Martin
04-12-2005, 02:17
Lets settle this in a mature manner... a fist fight! lol

stew
04-12-2005, 02:20
Better still - a brawl! :wink:

Lunner
04-12-2005, 05:17
lunner will end up killing himself or writing his car off... if he wont admit defeat on here..lol he wont admit iton the track lool...


balls of steel are whats required.

I have cast iron balls :D

....Richy...you have 4 pots :roll:

When and were is Cadwell....i'll be there....need new brakes before then though :oops:

Lunner
04-12-2005, 05:18
Lets settle this in a mature manner... a fist fight! lol

Who's first? :D

:wink:

Andyvalver
04-12-2005, 05:44
hmm mine does'nt do 40 in first...about 30,60,87,110 & 146ish

Snap!


LOL - This is an amusing thread! Its like a F7P V's F7R thread! Everyone knows the F7R is faster! LOL :wink: :wink: :roll: :twisted:


I thought we were talking about F7P vs rsi engine of which i dont know the engine code lol :P We all know the F7P is better 8)

VIPERONE
04-12-2005, 08:34
1st 40 2nd 70 the rest i havent looked at the speedo

Lunner
04-12-2005, 09:50
F3P :roll:

richy
04-12-2005, 11:46
lunner will end up killing himself or writing his car off... if he wont admit defeat on here..lol he wont admit iton the track lool...


balls of steel are whats required.

I have cast iron balls :D

....Richy...you have 4 pots :roll:

When and were is Cadwell....i'll be there....need new brakes before then though :oops:

its in febuary, look on meets page for club

4pots i hoped u forgot lol :P

Plattsy
04-12-2005, 12:54
wonder if lunner will beat anyone.... any valvers goin tho?

stew
04-12-2005, 12:55
hmm mine does'nt do 40 in first...about 30,60,87,110 & 146ish

Snap!


LOL - This is an amusing thread! Its like a F7P V's F7R thread! Everyone knows the F7R is faster! LOL :wink: :wink: :roll: :twisted:


I thought we were talking about F7P vs rsi engine of which i dont know the engine code lol :P We all know the F7P is better 8)

Yeah we are. That was my point. It's a stupid comparison IMO! 16v is obvis better!

Lunner
04-12-2005, 14:16
lunner will end up killing himself or writing his car off... if he wont admit defeat on here..lol he wont admit iton the track lool...


balls of steel are whats required.

I have cast iron balls :D

....Richy...you have 4 pots :roll:

When and were is Cadwell....i'll be there....need new brakes before then though :oops:

its in febuary, look on meets page for club

4pots i hoped u forgot lol :P

Oh yeah, i posted i was going before, lol :oops:

Andyvalver
04-12-2005, 16:34
F3P :roll:

See, it cant be very good cuz i never knew lol :?

Lunner
04-12-2005, 16:44
F3P :roll:

See, it cant be very good cuz i never knew lol :?

Yeah but lets me fair, you could fit what you know on a postage stamp....you even thought valvers were faster then RSi's :lol:

Andyvalver
04-12-2005, 17:37
:roll:





















:lol:

Lunner
04-12-2005, 17:47
Besides RSi's ahve oil coolers....valvers don't :P

Justin..
04-12-2005, 18:16
Besides RSi's ahve oil coolers....valvers don't :P

only cos RSi's dont have chavvy gauges showin the temp of the oil :wink:

richy
04-12-2005, 18:18
Besides RSi's ahve oil coolers....valvers don't :P

err rich's valver(3rd engine) has a oil cooler :wink: mine does to na na

besides RSI sounds like a disease or something :P

Andyvalver
04-12-2005, 18:46
pmsl...besides RSI sounds like a disease or something :shock:

VIPERONE
04-12-2005, 19:03
some valvers do have oil coolers!

Rich
04-12-2005, 19:54
as richy says mine does have an oil cooler :wink: and yeah RSI does sound degrading like 'Renault Substandard Instrument' (aka poor mans valver) :lol:

Bayliss
04-12-2005, 20:04
Besides RSi's ahve oil coolers....valvers don't :P

err rich's valver(3rd engine) has a oil cooler :wink: mine does to na na

besides RSI sounds like a disease or something :P

i'm glad u cleared that bit up about the third engine :lol:

VIPERONE
04-12-2005, 20:06
poor mans valver.lol

Lunner
04-12-2005, 20:58
poor mans valver.lol

Atleast i don't have to get a valver and make an imitation williams.....poor man's williams....atleast i'm not trying to impersonate a valver....mine is better :P

Thats wat you get for tryign to join in with the big boys :wink:

Lunner
04-12-2005, 20:59
I stand corrected some valvers have oil coolers.....why do only some have it....are they the slightly faster ones?

Scott-16v!
04-12-2005, 20:59
atleast i'm not trying to impersonate a valver... :P

lol, thought you had valver bonnet and wings? :-$ :wink: :P

Justin..
04-12-2005, 21:00
atleast i'm not trying to impersonate a valver... :P

lol, thought you had valver bonnet and wings? :-$ :wink: :P

pmsl........... busted

Bayliss
04-12-2005, 21:01
atleast i'm not trying to impersonate a valver... :P

lol, thought you had valver bonnet and wings? :-$ :wink: :P

no no they're williams wings and bonnet theres a difference u know

Lunner
04-12-2005, 21:02
atleast i'm not trying to impersonate a valver... :P

lol, thought you had valver bonnet and wings? :-$ :wink: :P

Yeah....valver wings so my wheels don't rub with spacers

Valver bonnet to try to keep my engine bay temps down, as the inlet fanifold is right above the exhaust fanifold :roll:

Rich
04-12-2005, 21:05
:lol: since when does a black valver with silver wheels look like a williams :P
thats my old 1.2 in the piccy :D

Lunner
04-12-2005, 22:07
:lol: since when does a black valver with silver wheels look like a williams :P
thats my old 1.2 in the piccy :D

I was saying about gibbo's valver :roll:

Rich
04-12-2005, 22:28
but gibbo may as well say his is a williams seen as its an exact replication bar the different b/e to be fair

Lunner
04-12-2005, 22:31
but gibbo may as well say his is a williams seen as its an exact replication bar the different b/e to be fair

I know, but its not,a nd he was joining in, and not being on my side :P

gtbloke
05-12-2005, 03:33
LOL this is funny :lol:

Plattsy
05-12-2005, 07:17
still cant believe this is carrying on, 5 pages and still no sign of giving up lol.
Even if you do manage to beat a valver then the hybrids and willys are still guna kick ur arse! ha! hybrids/willys get alot better low down torque!

Andyvalver
05-12-2005, 13:06
:roll: Dont be silly, an rsi is quicker than a hybrid :wink:

J o n
05-12-2005, 13:20
but gibbo may as well say his is a williams seen as its an exact replication bar the different b/e to be fair

I know, but its not,a nd he was joining in, and not being on my side :P

he could actually quite easily re-register it as a Williams you know... lol

Lunner
05-12-2005, 22:34
but gibbo may as well say his is a williams seen as its an exact replication bar the different b/e to be fair

I know, but its not,a nd he was joining in, and not being on my side :P

he could actually quite easily re-register it as a Williams you know... lol

Bet he does now he knows this lol