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bigjim
13-11-2005, 15:34
looking at getting headwork and cams for the car. hillpower quote roughly 20bhp for the above work at a cost of £1500. thats a lot of cash for imo not really that much increase and i dont really think that your really going to notice that much of a difference tbh. makes me a bit reluctent to spend that sort of cash if im not going to be that blown away with the performance. ive got to be honest my last car was a clio cup and it was quite a bit faster than the williams is especially up to a ton. the williams currently has full magnex, de cat, hillpower shielded induction kit and hillpower stage 1 chip. whats everyones opinions?

Zollo
13-11-2005, 15:36
It's a hell of a lot of money to spend on a car that's only worth £3000, say. That's half the value :shock:

But you'd definately notice a difference in performance :D

Dancliovalver
13-11-2005, 15:38
ive had the headwork done at hillpower, cost me the same amount of money, u dont really notice it when ur driving by urself, but u do if u look at the speedo or your racing something.......thats when u notice the difference, i raced a mate in his standard valver when mine was standard and it was same (obviously) but when i had the work done, i cant express how much i wiped the floor with him and many other cars taht i couldnt usually beat!!!!
hope u understand that :wink:

bigjim
13-11-2005, 15:38
nah mates its worth 5k. its a minter 50k full renault s.history. not really the point though just wondered if worth it for the increase.

bigjim
13-11-2005, 15:39
did u have cams as well dan? apparently the 2.0 responds better than the valver to the above mods as well.

Dancliovalver
13-11-2005, 15:40
lol see wat u mean now

im glad i did it, thought it was worth the money, seems to be very reliable

Dancliovalver
13-11-2005, 15:42
yeah i had, port, polished, flowed head, fastroad cams (set for top end performance, 150MPH in a valver :shock: ), verneir pulleys, stage 2 chip and a few other bits and bobs that nick might throw in!!

am going back soon to have my cams reset for bottom end performance!!!


definatly worth it mate

bigjim
13-11-2005, 15:42
so did u have cams fitted as well as the headwork and an uprated stage 2 chip?

Dancliovalver
13-11-2005, 15:43
yup :lol:

bigjim
13-11-2005, 15:44
cheers mate decisions decisions.

Zollo
13-11-2005, 15:45
nah mates its worth 5k. its a minter 50k full renault s.history. not really the point though just wondered if worth it for the increase.

I knew you'd come back with it being worth more than I say. That wasn't really my point :roll:

Dancliovalver
13-11-2005, 15:45
like u say in a williams u will notice alot of difference, im sure some of the lads will agree with me there!!!!

where bouts you from mate?

VIPERONE
13-11-2005, 15:47
cup quicker than your williams to 100mph! lol you must have a poor example of a williams.

J o n
13-11-2005, 15:50
get it RR'd first imo and find out what sort of power it's running, if it's a lot slower than your cup was there could be something not quite right.

20bhp is a big difference too, as it's a torque increase too that you get. the main advantage is that your power band widens quite a lot too. some of the guys on here are getting 0-100 times of 14 seconds, so it's a BIG difference really.

bigjim
13-11-2005, 16:20
its not a lot slower it just is a bit slower. they both weigh about the same and the cup had more power. pretty obvious really.

bigjim
13-11-2005, 22:36
cup quicker than your williams to 100mph! lol you must have a poor example of a williams. cups are very quick cars mate believe me i had mine from new for a year and a half and loved it, just prefer the williams :wink: just want the willy to be a bit quicker than it is at the moment. mind u the handling is far superiour to the cup and i had the cup lowered on eibach springs 30mm but the willy still handles better in standard form. looks much better as well 8)

Jamie.
14-11-2005, 00:12
ive been in a few williams/16v's and a couple of clio sports and tbf every 172/82 ive been in, are/is quicker than the williams/valvers in general, apart from mark ritchspeeds willy that was pretty quick, just a bit quicker than the "new, reno sports". however, i wouldnt say a williams would get pasted but 172/82's deff has the jump on a williams. some ppl on here think that williams are quicker that what they say they are and always say "nah mate ur willy should easily keep up with that" and i just dont see it myself and i wouldnt say mine was particuarly slow or quick, just normal.

BRUN
14-11-2005, 00:56
well why is it that a lot of the Williams on here are doing low 14's on the 1/4 mile then?

they ARE quick cars, easily enough for a 172/182

i had a play with a 182 the other night and he was going nowhere, if anything i was leaving him

VIPERONE
14-11-2005, 01:23
i certainly outpaced a 172 on motorway from a roll of 15 mph after traffic...i was surprised...had a bash with a 182 also....

1/4 mile times speak for themselves.. most 172s 182s run 15s lol

Martin
14-11-2005, 01:27
172 cups are the only quick flavour of mk2 ..the figures speak for themselves.....andy's williams 14.9, northy 14.8, Jan 15.0, Monkey 14.99 all pretty much stnd cars running quicker than 172/182s.

bigjim
14-11-2005, 02:17
exactly what i said then.

Andy
14-11-2005, 08:23
agree with martin in stock form 172 182 dont worry about em it is the cups you have to worry about


our lass has a 172 cup and its bloody quick might struggle in the freak (willy2) when it comes out of hybernation

J o n
14-11-2005, 09:37
Jamie, you should be right with MK2's at least, if not there's a problem imo. Ask BozM off CS how quick Willy's are, he only ever saw the back of the Williams on the M1 and I was weighing more at the time too (extra person in car, 4 wheels, 4 tyres, luggage... lol). I've NEVER even struggled with a 182

Jamie.
14-11-2005, 11:57
Jamie, you should be right with MK2's at least, if not there's a problem imo. Ask BozM off CS how quick Willy's are, he only ever saw the back of the Williams on the M1 and I was weighing more at the time too (extra person in car, 4 wheels, 4 tyres, luggage... lol). I've NEVER even struggled with a 182

maybe ur right, will have to go to pod one day and do it all for me self

Mattie
14-11-2005, 12:47
i had a play wiv 2 172's was 3 up and had my sub in which is 1 heavy ****a lol....not sure how many peeps in the 172s though...

beet 1 he cdnt pull on me and stayd on my bumper the whole time even when i moved over 2 let him pass he cdnt pull on me at all!.....his m8 got 1 cars length ahed of me, 1 and a half at most!

this was from about 40mph rollinn start, they came flyin past at about 60ish i dropd it in2 2nd and caught them :D

Daz.
14-11-2005, 17:51
I had a good play with a red 172 ages agoooo before I had the service and he couldn't gain anything on me not a sausage and I've ONLY got a VALVER.

Would have loved to see him again after the service the car felt sooo much better...

bigjim
14-11-2005, 20:36
wasnt talking about full fat 172 i had a cup which is 80kg lighter than standard 172 and deffo quicker. and it was quicker than my williams. thats why im looking at head work and cams as obviously if i can get the willy up to 180bhp is lighter than the cup so should be quicker. :)

Daz.
14-11-2005, 20:48
wasnt talking about full fat 172 i had a cup which is 80kg lighter than standard 172 and deffo quicker. and it was quicker than my williams. thats why im looking at head work and cams as obviously if i can get the willy up to 180bhp is lighter than the cup so should be quicker. :)

ahhh I get you now - so many silly mk2's! never know where you are!