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gonch
28-10-2005, 23:00
Hi all, am new here and thinking of getting a williams, can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 1, 2 and 3 Williams??, i know its age, etc but are there any major differences between them and wot would you reccomend???
cheers

FATBOY
28-10-2005, 23:03
click this mate!

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/index.php?get=tech

all you need to know! but in my biased opinion i would say 3's are the best :wink:

Daz.
28-10-2005, 23:50
click this mate!

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/index.php?get=tech

all you need to know! but in my biased opinion i would say 3's are the best :wink:

if you love wind noise and getting drowned in a morning of course... :wink:

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 03:01
If anybody feels like updating that page i have found out that the Williams 1 and 2 didn't actually come with rear speakers fitted, unless retro-fitted by renault.



Mat.

Andy
29-10-2005, 07:01
is this true could not work out why mine had no rear speaker wires had to changed the full rear loom any more info matt

Daz
29-10-2005, 10:09
He has 3 Willy2's at his house, and none of them have rear speakers.

I never knew either - never noticed on the 2.
The sound in the 2 is so crap - just two 4" speakers in the front - useless!

Zollo
29-10-2005, 10:22
Aaaaaah, so that's why my first one didn't have any speaker wires!

Previous owner has fitted some factory fit Alpines in me new one though 8)

LEIGH-ANNE
29-10-2005, 12:00
He has 3 Willy2's at his house, and none of them have rear speakers.

I never knew either - never noticed on the 2.
The sound in the 2 is so crap - just two 4" speakers in the front - useless!


Very much agree

ian711
29-10-2005, 13:19
my willy 2 has rear speakers tho as standard.... :shock:

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 13:26
my willy 2 has rear speakers tho as standard.... :shock:

You sure?
Does the wiring have the square plugs on the end?
Wires would be coloured purple, cream, pink and white.



Mat.

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 13:27
He has 3 Willy2's at his house, and none of them have rear speakers.


Make that 4.



Mat.

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 13:31
is this true could not work out why mine had no rear speaker wires had to changed the full rear loom any more info matt

Yeah, the wires come off the back of the stereo and to a brown plug behind the speedo but where the rear speaker wires go in, there is nothing on the other side.
Was trying to work out why the car i was playing with had some shitty wire feeding the back speakers, that was when i discovered it.



Mat.

Andy
29-10-2005, 13:37
know that spent 2 days crawling through the car looking for them

in the end justr changed the loom to a m reg 16v one in my local; scrappy

genuine parts mind 8)

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 15:05
So it's not original? :shock:



Mat.

Gav
29-10-2005, 15:45
lol :shock:

Mattie
29-10-2005, 16:23
mines got rear speakers :D

MatBrown
29-10-2005, 17:18
Yes.

Most of them have rear speakers fitted but the wiring is not part of the original loom.



Mat.

gonch
29-10-2005, 21:59
Ok, i asked about comments on 1,2,3's????? and you are talking about rear speakers????, dont think that was the thread do you?

Daz
29-10-2005, 22:00
Ok, i asked about comments on 1,2,3's????? and you are talking about rear speakers????, dont think that was the thread do you?

Yep, cus' 1 and 2's don't have rear speakers. 3's do.

Gav
29-10-2005, 22:37
Ok, i asked about comments on 1,2,3's????? and you are talking about rear speakers????, dont think that was the thread do you?

Williams 1 + 2 dont have rear speakers, williams 3's do. Theres ur difference fella.
Dont need to be touchy about it mate, all post usually get side tracked, it starts on one subject and end on another, but your post will get answered eventually, but i see FATBOY provided the link to answer ur question already so whats the problem?

Gav
29-10-2005, 23:22
F.A.O Gonch:

Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences
Standard For All Williams Models
Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
Williams sill plate in black
Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
Blue Seat Belts
Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
Blue Gear Knob
Blue Carpet in main cabin area
Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one

Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK
Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
Phase1 Heater Controls
Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
All were Sports Blue (449)
Only 4" Dash Speakers in front and 4" speakers in the rear
Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.

Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK
Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
Colour Coded, different style Grill
Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
Phase2 Heater Controls
Again, All Sports Blue 449.
Only 4" Dash Speakers in front and 4" speakers in the rear again
Revised Williams Stickers

Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK
Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
Electric door mirrors
Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
ABS as standard
Electric Sunroof as standard
Williams badges seem a brighter gold
Steering Wheel Stereo Control
Revised Dashboard illumination
Revised Williams Stickers again

Daz
29-10-2005, 23:26
That needs changing now..

Williams 1 and 2 don't have rear speakers.. did we mention that?

;) :lol:

gonch
30-10-2005, 11:00
I'm not touchy at all, and ive used lots of forums so i understand the side track element, and yes i saw the link to check the differences, my point was already stated above!!!

FATBOY
30-10-2005, 11:32
easy girls!!!! calm down! :D i hope the list of differences has helped ya gonch mate?? good luck in your search

gonch
30-10-2005, 13:14
yes thanks for the link, very good.
apologies for the confusion and ye i am currently looking for one so if anyone knows of any?????, needs to be a genuine honest example tho in tip top condition,