View Full Version : Understanding 1/4 mile times and terminals
Took the old barge along to santapod saturday evening for a miserable 2 runs! 5 hrs and 2 runs :x
Anyway my first ever time up the strip and im up against my cousins saxo vts, he's changed cams and the usual mods, chip/exhaust/filter, probably running circa 150bhp
I get off the line first and pass over the finish line first but my time was 14.6 @ 103mph and his was 14.6 @ 93 mph.
Next run after that i beat a bluefin RS and i manage a 14.1 @ 102mph.
Not great i know but im a first timer with a 2.6 60ft so give me a break :wink: It was around 19:00 aswell so tarmac wasn't as sticky as it had been!
Now i left a little dissapointed as i was expecting around 13.5 @ 105mph mark, but quite a few cars were supposedly down on times! Best an R34 GTR was doing was 14secs flat and some scoobies/pulsars were around the 15sec mark! I spotted 1 of you lot in an M reg williams getting mid 15's!
Now not getting into actual times, im just wondering about times and the terminals!
Now on my 1st run against the saxo, he completed the 1/4 mile in 14.6secs at only 93 mph, where as i completed it in the same time but with a terminal of 103mph!
Now going from that info my 0-100 time on that run would have been around 13.5-14.0 and his would have been around 17-18secs.
Not understanding really how the slower car can match the quicker car!
Incidentally on the way home at ''motorway'' speeds my cousin was no where near my old barge. 80-150 and the gap was mahoosive (talking 15-20 car lengths) but he left santapod matching my 14.6 time so it was good enough for him!
Not really understanding how 93mph can match 103mph but sure 1 of you experienced 1/4 milers can give me a good answer :wink:
Hopefully on a sticky day with a better 60ft than 2.6 i'll not be too far away from my goal of 13.5 @ 105. Car had all interior/spare wheel/ 1/3 of tank and a lot of my missus's rubbish in it also!
The rocket car was cool 8) 5sec 1/4 at 260mph :shock:
it's your 60ft time that basically shafted you mate. 2.2's will see you into the 13's, although dont expect too much, as Revo'd Cupra's usually only run low to mid 14's on average. The reason your cousin was matching you is because his 60ft times will prolly be much better, as those Saxo's get off the line pretty damn quick.. so that makes me think that the Skyline driver and others didn't know what they were doing tbh, as if a FWD car can get good grip they should be hitting their book times (12.8 for a GTR IIRC)
without knowing both times, 60ft, 1/8th and 1/4 for both cars its hard to say.
but .takin a random guess here, id say with a 2.6 60ft, ur probs lookin at around 10 secs 1/8 mile
compare those to his, and hel probs be around the 9.5 sec, hes travelling same speed ish at this time, poss a little faster, being the quicker to acc up to that speed.urs now rapes him down the last 1/8 mile giving both same time, but with varying terminals.
basically ur car shit bottom end compared to his, but urs rapes his top end.
He did have a 2.3 60ft.
Not too sure on the rest of the times as he picked up the slip, i'll try and get the rest of the times.
It was amusing to see the amount of scooby/pulsar drivers that cant launch for shit with their vastly superior 4wd :lol:
Its a lot harder than i thought launching 1400kg off the line through 270bhp fwd. I guess thats where you clio/saxo boys make up all the time. Lightweight cars with not as much HP but much more managable than a heavy oil tanker with double the hp.
I activated nitrous in 3rd/4th gear! 1st and 2nd is just a waste of time unfortunately as its on a progressive delay meaning your not in gear long enough to use it and along with traction issues just not worth wasting the gas!
I know its a silly question but does the 330ft time relate to the approximate 0-60 of the car?
Big respect to you boys that are managing low 14's and breaking into 13's!
There's a lot more exotic cars that dont run so good! Standard Focus RS for instance at 15.3 and 330ci at 15secs flat.
you were on gas as well :shock: should deffo be in the 13's then, but again, better 60ft time and that's not in doubt. incidentally the 216bhp Clio gets 104mph terminals and 13.4 1/4 miles, that would be interesting on the road!
Jesus only on gas 3rd and 4th gear.
When i activate it in 3rd it has a 2.5 sec delay with 50% start power, meaning when i change from 2nd at 6500 rpm it drops back to around 5000 rpm in 3rd! Now when i go full throttle it takes 2.5 secs for it too reach the full 50bhp! Initially it only gets a 25bhp kick and then builds up to 50bhp over the 2.5 secs!
Now as you can imagine, the time it takes between 5000-6500rpm in 3rd doesn't take long and its doubtful i even receive the full 50bhp before changing again! 4th gear is a little better as revs dont rise as quickly!
Nitrous aint that good on a progressive tbh unless you activate it at low rpm (ie 3000rpm) No good for drag racing with a progressive as every time you change gear you are going higher and higher up the rev range!
I was thinking about 1st-3rd-5th or 1st-2nd-4th to get round the problem but with a miserable 2 runs in 5hrs didn't have the chance to experiment!
Im not expecting it to be blistering quick due to the nature of the car but i'm hoping for 13.5 @ 105. Terminal isn't too far off just my time that needs improving on! I doubt it being able to do 2.0 60ft times, its just too heavy! Best im hoping for is 2.2-2.3
Its never going to be blistering quick up a strip, its more impressive on the move, ie 80-140.
i'd ditch the NOS... or just do what Adi did... have the lot come in at once (although that was a 100 shot :shock: lol).
be interesting to see what it does off gas, I bet there's not much difference in the terminals or times, as it sounds like it's not really able to utilise it.
what you launching the car at and is boost limited in 1st and 2nd?
I was launching at 2000rpm as when i tried a 3500rpm launch off the strip i wasn't able to control the wheelspin!
The standard 225 car is capable of 14.7-14.8. When remapped to 265-270bhp the best i have seen/heard from santapod is 14.2 @ 97mph. I personally dont think it will do much more than that. Maybe 14.0 at very very best with perfect launch and gear changes! Too damn heavy, its rolling performance at illegal speeds that a chipped LCR shines!
To be fair though, my car runs a 2.3 60ft time, but 1/4 mile time is 16.3, its an 8v, and i'm seriously flat spotting in 4th, as in virtualy no power
I went on Sunday Mitchy....my car was'nt quite running as the terminals it had at York but I managed a couple of 14.3s....best run looked like this.
60 ft : 2.267
330ft: 6.056
1/8 ET 9.226
1/8MPH 79.36
1000' 11.897
1/4 ET 14.303
1/4 MPH 96.54
Best run in the old Nana
60ft : 2.238
330ft : 5.983
1/8 ET 9.060
1/8mph 79.80
1000' 11.675
1/4 ET 14.019
1/4 MPH 98.67
Stick yours up Mitchy...
60ft: 2.304
330ft: 6.668
1/8ET: 10.360
1/8MPH: 66.36
1000': 13.477
1/4ET: 16.311
1/4 MPH: 81.53
Reaction..... 0.489
60ft.............2.651
330ft...........6.816
1/8 et..........9.917
1/8mph.......80.95
1000et........12.227
1/4et..........14.098
1/4mph.......102.06
That was run against bluefin RS
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/northy_com/14.jpg
my personal best against our kid.
Feckin hell, just goes to show mines is a slouch off the line as your 60ft/330ft/1/8 times blitz mine or i need someone that can launch the damn thing :lol:
they are prolly easier to launch standard to be fair to you though mate. more power, more spin, especially on turbo cars.
Feckin hell, just goes to show mines is a slouch off the line as your 60ft/330ft/1/8 times blitz mine or i need someone that can launch the damn thing :lol:
The cupra are big heavy fwd turbo cars probably the worst combination for launching...so it's to be expacted that they are slow over the first 1/8. IMO You won't get below 2.4 60ft with a full fat cupra R but it's got some pace over the last 8th!
i was having trouble at york with grip, my 1/8th wasnt that good really, but terminals were 103/104.
i need a 2.0 60ft for a shit hot time me thinks! :)
Wank times from the Big man that knows it all - fancy goin up against my shed for a bit of humiliation in front of a crowd ???????
Wank times from the Big man that knows it all - fancy goin up against my shed for a bit of humiliation in front of a crowd ???????
you have a shed with an engine now!? I heard a rumour you and Jordy are making the first TT engine powered house to devastate on the 1/4 mile scene... can you confirm if this rumour is true?? :lol:
Wank times from the Big man that knows it all - fancy goin up against my shed for a bit of humiliation in front of a crowd ???????
Couldn't give a toss mate, if i cared enough i would buy a bike to go up a drag strip quick! :roll:
0-xxmph has never interested me tbh! 60-xxxmph has though! its a 1400kg car its never going to be that fast off the line no matter what you do to it!
Although why haven't you ran up pod yet j3ned? You seem to like york more? Wonder why :wink:
Didn't you run some shit times the 1st time you took your heap up the strip?
I keep on seeing these times coming from your car but all are done at york! I dont care what anyone says about york, its a mickey mouse strip! Its like crail, where clio cups with exhausts and chip manage 14.0 1/4's! Would love to see that done at pod as all the clio 172/182's i seen running at pod were 15sec+ cars! I drove 3 hrs to get to santapod, im sure you can too!
... he's actually run his quickest times at Pod iirc mate, something like a 12.5 @ 116mph? cant really remember, but Matt's a right sl@g, puts it about... lol
Well if thats true big respect to him, but i still think its a heap :wink:
i did used to think york was a bit quicker, but definitely not now! mines run slower times at york than pod boooo!
thinking of going to shakespear raceway next week for a change! anyone been?
personally i prefer 0-??? speeds. at least you've got 70mph to play with before your risking points or your license! lol
Well if thats true big respect to him, but i still think its a heap :wink:
well of course it is... but that's the idea, the look on Porsche and Ferrari owners faces must be a treat. he only built this car to upset people and it certainly has fulfilled it's destiny, but I want to see it run in the 10's... it's gotta be do-able?
Santa Pod on sunday - will be coming back with a 12.2 / 12.3
425 bhp conversion over winter will see 11's
Only a Dodge Charger will get me 10's..........watch this ( ) space
Neil82cup
01-11-2005, 18:14
Took the old barge along to santapod saturday evening for a miserable 2 runs! 5 hrs and 2 runs :x
Anyway my first ever time up the strip and im up against my cousins saxo vts, he's changed cams and the usual mods, chip/exhaust/filter, probably running circa 150bhp
I get off the line first and pass over the finish line first but my time was 14.6 @ 103mph and his was 14.6 @ 93 mph.
Next run after that i beat a bluefin RS and i manage a 14.1 @ 102mph.
Not great i know but im a first timer with a 2.6 60ft so give me a break :wink: It was around 19:00 aswell so tarmac wasn't as sticky as it had been!
Now i left a little dissapointed as i was expecting around 13.5 @ 105mph mark, but quite a few cars were supposedly down on times! Best an R34 GTR was doing was 14secs flat and some scoobies/pulsars were around the 15sec mark! I spotted 1 of you lot in an M reg williams getting mid 15's!
Now not getting into actual times, im just wondering about times and the terminals!
Now on my 1st run against the saxo, he completed the 1/4 mile in 14.6secs at only 93 mph, where as i completed it in the same time but with a terminal of 103mph!
Now going from that info my 0-100 time on that run would have been around 13.5-14.0 and his would have been around 17-18secs.
Not understanding really how the slower car can match the quicker car!
Incidentally on the way home at ''motorway'' speeds my cousin was no where near my old barge. 80-150 and the gap was mahoosive (talking 15-20 car lengths) but he left santapod matching my 14.6 time so it was good enough for him!
Not really understanding how 93mph can match 103mph but sure 1 of you experienced 1/4 milers can give me a good answer :wink:
Hopefully on a sticky day with a better 60ft than 2.6 i'll not be too far away from my goal of 13.5 @ 105. Car had all interior/spare wheel/ 1/3 of tank and a lot of my missus's rubbish in it also!
The rocket car was cool 8) 5sec 1/4 at 260mph :shock:
My car would run low 14's at the same terminal at the pod I have no doubt about that, for example a guy I know has a chipped RS Focus and does the same times/terminal as me at Crail also raced him on road and were was FA all in it. Was that 1/4 mile time with your NOS on?
OneEyedWilly
01-11-2005, 18:28
He was using gas in 3rd and 4th gear Neil. <snigger>
Can't believe this is an owners website for one of the finest handling FWD cars ever and all you guys talk about is going fast in a straight line!!
Neil82cup
01-11-2005, 19:09
So its doing 0-102 in 14.1 secs with 284 hp (at wheels) and nearly 400 lbft lmao.
:lol: Brilliant
Chris n`nic
01-11-2005, 23:03
I love the " I`m not bothered about 0-xxx"...I`m sure when Mitchy had his Subaru that was a main point when people said they raced one it was always " You wouldn`t stand a chance subarus do 0-60 in blah blah and 0-100 in doo daa"
Chris
OneEyedWilly
03-11-2005, 03:28
So true chris. Just like his next car will be the fastest thing on earth and Seat's will be rubbish... :roll:
ang on tho......1/2 that statement true already lol
you could of course run proper wide drag tyres up front which would allow you to get the power down on full boost, ive seen vids of drag runs in the US where they run civic turbos and hit 9 sec 1/4 miles........
i think this would knock a half second off your time, and increase the terminal speed, but you would have to be dedicated to buy the tyres and rims as i think they will be expensive. i think they are 15''x10''? you will have to take a look at the arches, or run slightly less width rims....
if you want a really quick time/terminal strip it out for the day and get the fat tyres on !
i know what you mean about 0-60, in everyday driving its 30mph+ where speed counts.....
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