Williams off to be de-rusted

[katbloke]

My Williams 2 after been off the road for 4 years has just been picked up to be de-welded and painted by these guys

http://www.restoshack.com/

So will be on the hunt for loads of parts to be refurb'd just lost out on some new rear quarter window seals yesterday too :(
Will try and update here with photos as and when i receive them.

G.

[PhilW]

Good luck with the restoration, I am starting mine shortly.
BTW Resto Shack's domain has expired, I took a quick look to see what they did - but clearly couldnt.

[katbloke]

Aaaah ok ty for website heads up here is a link to their facebook page that still works

https://www.facebook.com/RestoShack

[PhilW]

Just looked at rhe FaceBook site, looks like a real quality outfit. I'm sure that your Williams will be top notch after those boys have finished with it. Would be interesting to see some before and after images.
Do you have any images of the areas that they Re going to be working on?

[katbloke]

652765286529
Plus some other areas

[PhilW]

Looks like you have done plenty of preparation yourself, Have they been able to give you a final price for the work?
Also I'm interested to know what your outer sills look like, since you have posted an image of the corrosion on the inner sills was the corrosion also showing outside? The reason I ask, is that my sills look great, but I'm wondering id I also need to do an inspection from the inside of the car. Are you also rebuilding the suspension etc?

[Coops]

nice to see another committed member restoring :)

[katbloke]

Ta coops, outer sills will rotted from where they turn under rough estimated is 2.4k plus vat means too much to me to scrap it

[PhilW]

Yea, nice to hear that your car means so much to you.
would be good to see any progress photos posted up on the forum, good luck with it ;-)

[katbloke]

Been told there will be a folder online with approx 600 photos ro whatever is required, neddless to say they wont all be upped here but some will

[Vandella]

I spoke with they guy there too, Dave I think.. was very helpful and he will be putting a folder up on their facebook page.

[katbloke]

Yeh Dave Watkins nice guy

[katbloke]

6550

Rear quarter off shame i couldnt get one for the off side but hey ho

[PhilW]

Its going to be a great rebuild, any images you can upload will be great.
Are you doing anything with the suspension or engine whilst you are at it?

[katbloke]

I'll be restoring that when shes back home, just cant weld to the same quality or paint

[katbloke]

Downloading 60 files at the mo a selection will be uploaded

[PhilW]

Downloading 60 files at the mo a selection will be uploaded

They are certainly keeping you well informed of progress then, awaiting upload with interest

[PhilW]

They are certainly keeping you well informed of progress then, awaiting upload with interest

Just had a look at Resto Shacks face book page, they have some images on your cars progress, looks very through!
certainly going to be a solid shell when you get it back.

[katbloke]

Just be prepared for shock emails and pics rust in places you cant see that makes you think am i doing the right thing

[PhilW]

I'm due to start stripping mine down shortly. Should have it in the garage next weekend, will then start a systematic dismantling of it and like you say, I'm sure that I will fine corrosion where I didnt expect it.
A little project for the winter, thats not what the Mrs called it when I bought it, she got a little emotional and called it a rust bucket money pit, she may be right, we will see.
Best of luck with yours, those boys certainly know what they are doing with metal work.

[katbloke]

Just seen some nasty photos that makes me wonder about continuing

[katbloke]

Rear quarter fully fitted now, now the task of moving round the rest of the car, inner outer sills bumper support bracket inner front wings offside outer arch etc will upload pics soon

[cliorod]

Just a general question !!!
When my mate restores/rebuilds his Mk.I & MkII Escort projects,BEFORE he welds any new/replacement panels..he sends the bare shell away for acid dipping,generally the shells come back,looking like a piece of lace:shock::shock: .....but completely rust free.....and it identifies the scope of repair needed and it is easier to weld...Just a thought as these Iconic cars are now 20 plus years old

[PhilW]

Just seen some nasty photos that makes me wonder about continuing

Sorry to heat that you are feeling like this, unfortunately it's always the way that things get worse when you start dismantling older cars. I hope that you keep going, by the look of what tne guys ar Resto Shack are doing, when they have finished you will have avery solid shell.
I'm sure that I'm going to have some "twitchy bum" moments when the parts start coming off my car.
looking forward to more progress image when you get them.

[hny]

keep going pal it will be worth it at the end .

[katbloke]

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[katbloke]

So thats the rear quarter on, 3 skins by sill and jacking point rebuilt primed zinc etc quarter spot welded and seem welded as per OEM onwards and arond wards, if more photos needed just holler

[PhilW]

So thats the rear quarter on, 3 skins by sill and jacking point rebuilt primed zinc etc quarter spot welded and seem welded as per OEM onwards and arond wards, if more photos needed just holler

Just keep putting them up, its great to see all that corroded metal being cut out and the car taking shape again.
Thanks for putting these up on the forum

[katbloke]

Just keep putting them up, its great to see all that corroded metal being cut out and the car taking shape again.
Thanks for putting these up on the forum
Your welcome phil, i think i have 130 approx photos so far

[katbloke]

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[Dean250]

Looking good mate!

[katbloke]

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Few more areas not started yet

[katbloke]

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[Daz.]

Did you not realise it was that bad before you dropped it off?

[jamiecrookston83]

Excellent progress. Glad to see your finally getting the car done. Can't wait to see the finished pics :)

[katbloke]

Daz to be honest no bud, im guessing standing for 4 years outside havent helped the cause, some of what you see above have been taken care of by replacement panels, its the crap you dont see between skins under strengthening plates etc etc

[PhilW]

Hey Kat Bloke, good to see the new images, they are making good progress.
just got my car in the garage at home now, ready for a winter strip down and rebuild.
Had the car steam cleaned this morning so that I can work on a clean underside, undortunately I thought that the sills were 100% and I have spotted a small area of corrosion, so it looks like I will need outer sills along with the off side wheel arch after all - bummer.

[katbloke]

Loads more photos to upload when my fibre optic is done on monday, theyve finished the passenger side from a pillar through to arch, incl front floor, jacking point and sill. Just the rear chassis leg to go before it goes to storage for a fortnight then i can pay up to stage one works

[PhilW]

Look forward to the rest of the images

[bauderline]

Hi KatBloke,

I seen your comments on DW regarding the build, nice to see a thread here with pics, please keep posting as many as you can, I am finding them very useful and informative ! I have recently bought a Dimma 16v, one of the original ones 31 of 50 I believe which will require a serious amount of work. I seen the pictures on st-performance and have no illusions about what lurks beneath the kit, in fact it will be interesting to see if there is any of the outer skin left ! The pictures you are posting gives me some idea of how it should be restored properly so please keep posting. I have seen pictures from a few other projects which have made me grimace a little to say the least !

Best of luck with it !

Best regards, Peter.

[bauderline]

652765286529
Plus some other areas

Do you have any pictures of the repair to the rear arm or floor pan ?

[katbloke]

More updates of nearside floor, jacking points, sill and some rear chassis work

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Hopefully this shows what can lurk if underseal left flakey jacking points left bent etc etc

[Tullyvernon]

The poor car will stand a lot of work, but you will have a great job when you are finished.

Any idea what its going to cost for the repairs?

[Daz.]

Please tell me they're coating the chassis after all this work!

Hat off to you sir you're doing it properly!

[Tullyvernon]

It is great to see one being restored to its full glory! Cant wait to see it when all work is done

[PhilW]

Fantastic attention to detail, the repair sections look great.
Thanks for keeeping us up to date with the rebuilt.
Interesting to see that the whole of the outer sill didnt need to be replaced.

[katbloke]

Thanks for the kind words daz everything hidden gets coated as per the work done on the rear quarter all out of sight stuff is treated, it will cost me a small fortune and some.
Spent 1k a few years ago and the work was crap.

It is really a matter of you get what you pay for (or put on a credit card)

[bauderline]

Great work, you can tell it's a pro restoration, careful and thoughtful work not ripping out the entire sill.

[Daz.]

I think I spent 2k on the doors and rear quarters on mine and I could have spent plenty more!

[katbloke]

Few more photos from the last day of this phase, shes gone into storage waiting for a new slot in the workshop as its taking longer than initially estimated.

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[bauderline]

A lot of work but it's getting there, really appreciate you posting these pictures, they will help a lot with my own restoration !!

[Daz.]

I might have to buy this off you when you've finished!!

[theweekendhaslanded]

Brilliant progress. Loving the pictures. Keep them coming :winkey:

[PhilW]

Hi Katbloke,
Can I ask, did you provide the repair panels or did Resto Shack?
I ask as I'm going to need to get some of those and the quality of the panels looks good.
Rather then repair some sections, it may be better to just replace as your guys have done. If you can let me know where they came from I would be grateful, cheers Phil

[katbloke]

Thanks for the comments gents :) Phil I supplied a good used rear courtesy of mat brown and have since purchased standard outer rear arch, sill, inner front arch and bumper reinforcing panel all patches made up on site by restoshack. I have an inner rear arch panel and n/s inner wing on order.

So far having paid last night I've spent £1708 don't tell the wife :)

[PhilW]

Thanks for the comments gents :) Phil I supplied a good used rear courtesy of mat brown and have since purchased standard outer rear arch, sill, inner front arch and bumper reinforcing panel all patches made up on site by restoshack. I have an inner rear arch panel and n/s inner wing on order.

So far having paid last night I've spent £1708 don't tell the wife :)

Thanks for the reply, can I ask which supplier you got the panels from as the quality looks good?
Assume the rear chassis legs box sections and towing eye were "bought in" repair panels - I'm going to need these.
As for the work from Resto Shack, its second to none:)

[katbloke]

Carz2 were the suppliers but chassis section was fabricated in house

[PhilW]

Carz2 were the suppliers but chassis section was fabricated in house

What about the front jacking points, was that CarZ2 or inhouse?

[katbloke]

What about the front jacking points, was that CarZ2 or inhouse?

Jacking points made in house.
ALl ive purchased from http://www.carz2.co.uk/ are outer sill, inner front wing and outer rear arch, other inner front wing and inner arch repair panel are on order
Bought the bumper panel from http://www.nicedeals.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3423

And the whole quarter from Mat

[PhilW]

Jacking points made in house.
ALl ive purchased from http://www.carz2.co.uk/ are outer sill, inner front wing and outer rear arch, other inner front wing and inner arch repair panel are on order
Bought the bumper panel from http://www.nicedeals.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3423

And the whole quarter from Mat

Thanks for coming back to me on this.
I'm amazed that the front jacking points have been made in house they look incredible, Resto Shack are clearly even better than I thought. Although my car is pretty solid, the more I look around the more I realise I need to do....although I dont need to tell you this eh, Cheers Phil

[katbloke]

Hahaha true they have metal benders and an English wheel as well as the skills required hence why it's not cheap

[katbloke]

Couple of photos from restoshacks lock up to keep thread alive.
Dropped of repair panels today just awaiting my next slot in the workshop, they have too many Porsche 911s in the way


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Shes in the best place in the dry which i cant provide at home.

[bauderline]

Cool. At the risk of being nosey what panels did you drop off ? :)

[katbloke]

Nearside front inner wing and offside inner rear arch

[bauderline]

Hi, Where did you source the rear inner arch from ?

Thx. P.

[katbloke]

http://carz2.co.uk

[katbloke]

In the klokkenholm section

[bauderline]

You must have got the last one... ;)

Klokkenholm are out of stock until December, not to worry, I have plenty of other stuff to do on the car.

[katbloke]

Sorry bud I don't know of another supplier either

[fasterthanjesus]

nice work.

[katbloke]

Just had message to say work will be begin again maybe next week the rotten old 911 is nearly finished

[Daz.]

Good, I like this thread :)

[PhilW]

Yea, I have to say, I have been missing the pictorial updates - looking forward to seeing some more.

[ianbirch]

Good, I like this thread :)

What he said....

[katbloke]

Thanks guys just hope mechanics can do the body restoration justice

[katbloke]

Shes back in the workshop as of today


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[Ayli Carper]

Shes back in the workshop as of today


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I love this photo - I want a car like that!

[katbloke]

Front repairs all finished, so what looked the scariest and most rotten has only taken 3 days.


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[katbloke]

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[katbloke]

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[katbloke]

Some shots now of body being masked and sealed, sorry if bored


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[Daz.]

Lovely subframe ;)

Who's taking all the picures? the bodyshop?

[katbloke]

Yes Daz body shop doing all the pics if I thought I could still get a brand new subframe i would I have one on the car and one in it so will pick the best and restore ir

[Daz.]

They not do them anymore? I think I paid £300 for a new one from Renault (mind you that was years ago now).

Nice of them to do that - I asked for pics of my arches being done and they ****ed me off!

[katbloke]

I think I have 200 pics so far and when done I'll get hard copies too

[Vandella]

this is a great thread.. credit to you and restoshack!!

[katbloke]

Just spoke to Dave hes gonna restore the subframe and fit it for me, big job out the way that

[PhilW]

Great to see the new progress Katbloke, they really are doing a stunning job.
Did they refurbish or replace the front cross member.
BTW, dont worry about people being bored with this thread, its a great one - I admire your dedication to the car.

[PhilW]

Just spoke to Dave hes gonna restore the subframe and fit it for me, big job out the way that

I was wishing that I had got someone to do the subframe for me last weekend. I removed the engine, gearbox and subframe. One of the rear subframe captive nuts snapped and I spent 2 hours trying to remove the nut - I was not having much fun.
Gaz Two got me through it with some on line digital support/piss taking :-D

[katbloke]

Great to see the new progress Katbloke, they really are doing a stunning job.
Did they refurbish or replace the front cross member.
BTW, dont worry about people being bored with this thread, its a great one - I admire your dedication to the car.
Thanks. j got them a new cross member

[northy]

Hi Graham

Coming along now - What else is left to sort??

You need to ask your man to cut in the elongated slots into each panel under the headlight (seen here to the left with a plastic gromet around) to run the brake pad warning light wire that i can see are missing from your pictures.

6761

[katbloke]

Thanks for that Rich ill let him know. In terms of what's left it's the offside work so inner and outer sill and rear arch then the various areas of paint and protection then it comes home and my work begins

[northy]

very good - so are you having a full glass out respray?

[katbloke]

unfortunately no, due to expanse, the rear quarter lights are already out i'd break the bank

[northy]

so whats the plan regarding paint then?

[katbloke]

Will be full rear quarters and blending the doors I think

[katbloke]

Next batch moving onto the offside now.
Front subframe is off to be powder coated, rear beam has to be dropped to treat some areas around its mounting points.


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So thats what theyve found so far, mild compared to the nearside, to be expected i suppose. Evidence of yet more shoddy bodyshop bodges uncovered.


One day she'll be back on the road, if she fails the MOT on corrosion
I'll shoot myself i think.


Cheers.
Graham.

[Chris197F1]

Nice to see some close up detailed pictures Graham! Once its all done it will be worth it, sun out....windows down......country roads :)

[katbloke]

Nice to see some close up detailed pictures Graham! Once its all done it will be worth it, sun out....windows down......country roads :)
And french electrics lol

[PhilW]

Good to see that you re opthe final leg of the bodyshop work Graham.
its interesting to see that you car needed more work on the nearside, mine is the other way around. The nearside is pretty good with the offside needing the work.
I will as promised be posting some images, I would just like to get the body repairs underway so that I can see the start of the homeward journey. Currently the car is not looking much like a car, its a basic body shell on axle stands!

[katbloke]

More cutting out and the start of filling back in.


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Dont know where this bit goes


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Got to pay for the this next batch of work on friday

[katbloke]

Im starting to think maybe i should have done a course in welding and bought a top notch welder but hey ho

[northy]

can you get the pictures uploaded any bigger - carnt really make out some of them.

Your last picture is the drivers side jacking point.

[katbloke]

I'll see if I can via photobucket

[Vandella]

holy s**t!! mines getting near the stage where I want to do a similar thing and completely de-rust her.. but again.. holy s**t, that's a lot work..

[katbloke]

It is bud but it's all under carpets, splashguards and between between layers there's for layers that make up the floor to outer sill so if the underseal fails and is left untreated then boom it de laminates and spreads

[PhilW]

Holy shit Graham.
I saw the image you posted last week and saw that the team had cut the lower part of the sill off and assumed that the rest must be OK. Then Boom.....the next image, the whole inner and outer sill section is out.
The Resto Shack boys are certainly doing a very through job there, really good to see.
looks like you have a lot of rebuilding work to do when you get the car back :-), that shell is going to be very strong!
Did you take the dash out?
Just part way through my dash removal at the moment, work stopped play this week!

[katbloke]

I did remove the dash yes as the sound deadening was soaking wet and the moisture was rising . When you remove the dash watch out for the bracket that is riveted near the steering column

[PhilW]

I did remove the dash yes as the sound deadening was soaking wet and the moisture was rising . When you remove the dash watch out for the bracket that is riveted near the steering column

Thanks for the tip, I bought a Haynes manual for the car and they also point this out.
Its too easy to miss a hidden mounting point and then break something getting it out eh.
Imagine the squeaks from the dash if you broke a mount point :neutral:

[PhilW]

Im starting to think maybe i should have done a course in welding and bought a top notch welder but hey ho

Funny, I have been thinking exactly the same.
Most of the costs of refurbishment are in the body repairs. Saying that you would probably have to do a course in welding, engineering then lets not forget paint spraying, the list goes on!

[PhilW]

I did remove the dash yes as the sound deadening was soaking wet and the moisture was rising . When you remove the dash watch out for the bracket that is riveted near the steering column

Got the dash out today, absolute git of a job, no problem with the riveted bracket, it took ages figuring out that there was a hidden peg fixing with a wedge to firm it up right in the middle of the top of the dash. Haynes didnt see fit to detail this fixing.......anyway all out now. Scary amount of wiring on show........I hate wiring......

[katbloke]

Yep my wiring just hanging at the mo. Got some updates to post in a bit

[katbloke]

More updates


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Spare subframe I supplied back from the blasters revealed minor required works.


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Front towing eye blasted too


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Hopefully next week some of the gaps should be getting filled in.
Cheers.
Graham.

[katbloke]

Praise indeed Ted after seeing your work thanks.


This weeks updates, yet more rot byt new metal going in car's gonna weigh a ton when finished.


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Subframe repairs.


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Thats it for now, more rear end rust another big bill coming in soon i gues cant handle many more lol so if anyone wants to buy my snap on tools they can :D

[Daz.]

I think you should just finish it and sell it to me.

Yours must be the only one I would buy these days!

[Danno]

I think you should just finish it and sell it to me.

Yours must be the only one I would buy these days!

Well I wouldn't sell you mine anyway!:tongue3:

[Danno]

Looking very good (and expensive!!) Katbloke BTW
Just makes me wish I could weld!

[katbloke]

I think you should just finish it and sell it to me.

Yours must be the only one I would buy these days!
Daz I might have to lol

[fab]

Had to laugh at the rear shocks dangling down. They always were a c**t to remove:lol:

[katbloke]

Just bought a new set to fit lol

[fab]

Is that a primer on the subframe or the final colour? Looks a good match to original.

[katbloke]

The subframe was blasted and just a sealer put on it as it needed some welding but that's now done and it's getting powder coated to a near primer colour as possible

[fab]

It may need to be a tad lighter but your correct the original finish has the primer look about it.

[PhilW]

Had to laugh at the rear shocks dangling down. They always were a c**t to remove:lol:

Yea, "everything" is always a git to remove - started off well though....the wheels came off easy.....downhill after that !

[PhilW]

Looking fantastic Graham.
No corners being cut, quality bodywork, its gonna be a fantastic car when you have rebuilt it......
You can rebuild it cant you? :grin:

[katbloke]

I hope so. Wondering whether to pull engine and box and detail that properly new clutch cambelt etc in process of sorting garage my garage out to put the car in

[fab]

If you have the time to do it then its a good idea to take the engine and gearbox out at this point.
Its not so much detailing the engine but you have access to those areas you never see such as the chassis legs which can be prone to rust on these cars.

[fab]

Stumbled across this page the other day so was thinking of you mate..
http://www.dazjw.eclipse.co.uk/cars/williams2/overhaul/
Just incase you forget where everything goes.:lol:

[PhilW]

I hope so. Wondering whether to pull engine and box and detail that properly new clutch cambelt etc in process of sorting garage my garage out to put the car in

As Fab says Graham, of you have the time/space I would drop the engine and gearbox out. You are not that far off it now in any case, theres not much left of the car right now. The cambelt and aux belts would be a real git with the engine in the car, with it out, everything is accessable. It would also be a good idea to renew things like the heater hoses at the bck of the engine and I would recommend the heater matrix if you have not done so already.
The heater matrix takes minutes to change with the heater out of the car (and costs £11) it would be real bummer if it started leaking once you had built the car back up - If you have already done this, I apologise for being a smart arse :winkey:

[katbloke]

Right welding all complete, underside etched and undersealed, not 100% yet as im trying to save some funds for it, subframe done but not fitted just yet.


Onto the paint and internal rustproofing now and heres hoping for smaller bills, so far spent 4.8k as opposed to my orignal 3k budget but hey ho shame not continue with it


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Thats it for now.
Graham.

[fab]

:approve:

Proud to be here to see this happening.Wonderful work.

[katbloke]

Thanks Fab

[Daz.]

Man alive that's some wedge you're spending!

[Danno]

Man alive that's some wedge you're spending!

My exact thoughts also. Think I'd be scared to even wash it, never mind drive it after handing that sort of money over. However this sets the standard for me, and just go's to show what a quality bodywork refurb could cost to any current and future Williams owners. OK maybe not all are as bad as this, some are worse!, but its worth remembering imo

[katbloke]

I'm hoping by opening up all areas of the car that new owners might have new areas to look at for rust mine is the only shell I'd buy as I know what's been done if I was to sell I would sell for good money for tg ed same reason and I also hav es the evidence to prove it. Am up to 500 plus photos on my account from the resto company

[theweekendhaslanded]

Money well spent! It's a proper job!

[fab]

It's only the people who have actually gone down the route of restoring/preserving who truly understand the magnitude of the work involved in achieving this standard.

Thats why when I see those sheds being advertised for stupid money I know that unless a truly commited person buys it they will end up back on the market for sale or to be broken.

Any monkey can bolt on parts to make up a car but to renovate/restore one of these it takes a person with true passion,skill and determination for the Williams.

Graham I'm interested to know what your plans are for the rear beam.

[katbloke]

Reagrding the rear beam fab im hoping a clean up and a lick of paint as its good, rear discs to be cleaned calipers to be painted and new pads inserted, brakes will have new metal and flexi lines, bias valve hope to be refurbed somehow

[PhilW]

Reagrding the rear beam fab im hoping a clean up and a lick of paint as its good, rear discs to be cleaned calipers to be painted and new pads inserted, brakes will have new metal and flexi lines, bias valve hope to be refurbed somehow

Let me know what you decide to do re the Bias valve Graham, mine is pretty shonky and I cannot find any details anywhere on how to rebuild them. Would be interested to know if the same unit is used on other cars, but I have not come up with anything so far.

[fab]

Regarding rear beams there isnt a lot you can do about them other than to clean them down and paint them. Ive seen mentioned in the past that they were originally not painted. That may be true of some of them but I've seen a number of original untouched Williams rear beams painted in a dark blue mat colour.Not black.

The bias valve is a great unknown.
I did manage to take the flapper off gently and have a look at the seals inside. Lube it up and hope for the best.
There was a manaufacturer in France making these up,but I would have to dig deeper to see if they are still about.

[PhilW]

Did the bias work after your "maintenance"Fab?
I still need to have a closer look at mine, but it seems pretty stiff, probably a new spring would help.

Regarding the rear axle, I was planning on renewing the trailing arm bushes as I have bought some replacements, but I am not convinced that the bushes are the correct size despite it being confirmed by the supplier. If I'm not sure I wont be ripping the old ones out, it will just be a clean down and paint ;-)

[fab]

The traditional method of testing the bias valve was to preload the spring to around about where the flapper was sitting at 90 degrees to the underbody. Gun it down the road and if the rear wheels locked up before the fronts then there was too much preload on the valve.
The valve I had was stiff to move as you say and commonly we would just pack it with grease,wiggle the flap and it would free up.
But being curious as I am about mechanical things, I removed the flap to figure out its inner workings.You will see a rubber washer.Remove this and you will find the valve.This I imagine is what can seize up. All the valve does is drop up or down to restrict or release fluid to the calipers. Its very like the main one in the front.
So I took the valve out,removed any surface rust on it and greased it up good with some silicon grease.

Essentially it is a very simple device that should not need replacing but certainly requires some lube.Preload the flapper to around about where it is slightly compressed and it should be good to go.

If you really want to check if it works or not,jack the car up at the back which will in turn drop the rear beam.
Then press the valve inwards towards the car (you will have to remove the bar that attaches the valve to the beam to do this) and try turning a rear wheel. It should seem like the handbrake is slightly on. It could be vice versa but I reckon you get the idea.

[PhilW]

Thanks for the explanation Fab,that will help me.
Bias valve has been added to the long list of "things to do"

[fab]

Cleaning them is the toughest job..painting them the most expensive..putting the parts back on rewarding..
driving them priceless.
:grin:

[PhilW]

Cleaning them is the toughest job..painting them the most expensive..putting the parts back on rewarding..
driving them priceless.
:grin:

Think that I will print that out and stick it on the garage wall....I will then look at it to give me motivation in the "dark moments"

[fab]

Did the bias work after your "maintenance"Fab?


Yes.
Just retested it to make sure.
You will need someone or something to hold the brake pedal down when ye test by the method I descibed above.

Obviously to truly confirm its operation would be to run it through an MOT or other brake testing centre afterwards.

I'll shutup now Graham and let you get on with it:lol:

All the best,

Fab.

[katbloke]

All help gratefully received just agreed to having the engine pulled and delivered to mine for me to detail engine and do clutch cambelt water pump etc

[katbloke]

Hoping to do something similar to this when the engine is out

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/chrissy_white/Mk1%20Golf%20GTI%20Engine%20Detailing/DSC01425.jpg

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/chrissy_white/Refit%20Engine/DSC_1972.jpg

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=182810&highlight=golf

[PhilW]

All help gratefully received just agreed to having the engine pulled and delivered to mine for me to detail engine and do clutch cambelt water pump etc

Ha Ha, why stop there Graham?
May as well take the engine apart and rebuild it whilst youre there :grin:

[katbloke]

Ha ha nope

[katbloke]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/29/8973f2a58c90d3b3fe0a99eab117d900.jpg

Engines out :D

[PhilW]

Nice one Graham, see they dropped it out from underneath. Thats how I got mine out....with the exclusion of the 4 post ramp of course.
Assume the engine is A1? Not even slightly tempted to open it up?? :grin:
This Resto is epic!

[katbloke]

Was fine when it got sorn'd just gonna get fluid changes cambelt and water pump clutch any perishes hoses replaced and check all pipes for rust and treat accordingly clean and paint and maybe ceramic oat the manifold or source a good stainless one

[katbloke]

Hmmmm which one shall i fit

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/IMG_2482_zpsmtc9oypw.jpg

[PhilW]

Decisions, decisions eh.
Love it that one subframe is sat in a pile of rust and the other is sat on mats.
Looking good....

[fab]

Hmmmm which one shall i fit


Depends what look your going for.

If you want the "barn find" look then your gonna have to put the top one on.
If your going for show then its obvious. Although I am getting worried about how far your thinking of going with cleaning that block:shock:.
Me personally I like the natural look off an old car.clean and tidy is my moto.
So if it was me I would throw a bit of grease,brake fluid and dirt on that cleaned subframe8-) tidy up the engine as best you can without painting parts and the jobs a good one.

But I hold my breath till the next update..:lol:

[katbloke]

Hahahh

[DSilvaSport]

Hoping to do something similar to this when the engine is out

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/chrissy_white/Mk1%20Golf%20GTI%20Engine%20Detailing/DSC01425.jpg

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/chrissy_white/Refit%20Engine/DSC_1972.jpg

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=182810&highlight=golf

Some good tips looking through this guys posts - amazing attention to detail.

[katbloke]

Right my engine arrives Saturday morning got 3 days off to clean the garage out.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/ad921fc0be0b7be8bc27c19d1c55cd7c.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/4492357fdda770ff050fb77e1665d3b5.jpg

Yay!!

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/cf4d73a95c0d42efd56351d2e2c0bd1f.jpg

Bollocks

[katbloke]

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Not bad for day 1

[Daz.]

Terrible - I could have done that in ten minutes.

[katbloke]

Hahah thanks Daz I was chuffed anyways

[katbloke]

Engines Home.

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http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5900_zps17gh6ydy.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5900_zps17gh6ydy.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5899_zpsemk1qtwx.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5899_zpsemk1qtwx.jpg.html)

Only removed distributor cap, leads and plug cover.
Going to photograph everything at each step of removal.

[fab]

:popcorn1:

[katbloke]

Only one sheered bolt so far a little ten mm holding power steering pipe onto a bracket

[northy]

Look forward to the pictures

[katbloke]

It will be the closest I've got to the engine to work on might as well go as far as I can

[PhilW]

:popcorn1:

Great avatar Fab

[PhilW]

Only one sheered bolt so far a little ten mm holding power steering pipe onto a bracket

looking forward to this Graham, tell you what though. Get yourself a rotating engine stand, they are cheap as chips and will make the job sooo much easier.
You have set a high bar with the previous detailing images ;-)

[PhilW]

Its a poor photo, but the engine is just sat there waiting for me to get to it, but the engine stand is great

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/philw135/Clio%20180%20Refurb%202014-10/D8270104-BDC7-489B-876D-E9B0B6E44C99_1.jpg[/URL]

[katbloke]

Gonna get one but a guess of 350 kg in weight is a bugger to lift on the stand. Box of first then manifolds etc then will be a tad lighter

[PhilW]

Gonna get one but a guess of 350 kg in weight is a bugger to lift on the stand. Box of first then manifolds etc then will be a tad lighter

Yea, you need to get the gearbox off first, but thats a nice easy "One man job"
You can actually mount an engine onto a stand without a hoist, I was struggling to get the engine mounted properly and then found this youtube clip with a guy in USA showing how he mounts a cast iron block V8 onto a stand, with no hoist, on his own.
After watching that it was a piece of piss...

[katbloke]

More stripping pics ooooer

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5921_zpsuyzkfsot.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5921_zpsuyzkfsot.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5920_zpsfnigwnil.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5920_zpsfnigwnil.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5916_zpszbaud0ja.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5916_zpszbaud0ja.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5914_zpsfn7tmps4.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/IMG_5914_zpsfn7tmps4.jpg.html)

On a plus note the exhaust manafold came off with nothing snapping, just a couple of small snapped bolts on cable clips quite surprised really, need a set of flared spanners to get steering rack disconnected got one more driveshaft to remove then speedo cable and box should be all but ready to come off

[theweekendhaslanded]

Great progress. The end cap on the gear box is available from renault, not mega money either. Mine went porous

[katbloke]

Cheers for that. Mine has a dent in it

[katbloke]

Shes fighting me all the way today, cant get fuel rail out cant remove injector connectors so got inlet manifold undone that was a bugger, now that wont comeoff because the power steering pumps in the way grr. No pics today

[katbloke]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/11/69cbb3d7f861a179a5092e6ff087b50b.jpg

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http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/11/841bb0064b770e9d227b1c401f391ba2.jpg

Sunday frame fitted and car back in storage till the next phase in April. On with engine strip

[katbloke]

Bloody spelling. Sunday = subframe

[PhilW]

looking great Graham, lots of new painted parts!
I jope that you have had the last of the snapped and siezed bolts now :-)

[northy]

are they taking the subframe off again to paint the engine bay / chassis rails?

[katbloke]

Not sure whats happening bay wise. Id like it done

[katbloke]

How do i unplug the plug under the inlet manifold is it one of those lever off wire clips?

[northy]

can you picture it for me?

[katbloke]

Managed to do it its the same as the injectors split wrap around spring clip. Finally got rack off, inlet manifold, injector rail and injectors, pow er r steering pump and it's fixing brackets

[PhilW]

Managed to do it its the same as the injectors split wrap around spring clip. Finally got rack off, inlet manifold, injector rail and injectors, pow er r steering pump and it's fixing brackets

You sure that this post isnt going to end with, sump, main bearings, con rods, pistons.......

[katbloke]

Hope not

[theweekendhaslanded]

You may as well seeing as your this far!!!! lol

Maybe worth taking the sump off to see if the oil pump is clear. The excess factory sealant that seals the sump can break away and start hanging around the oil pick up point in a gauze filter.

[katbloke]

Sump off and bearing check might be on the cards. Still got to get the box off and o/s driveshaft

[PhilW]

Sump off and bearing check might be on the cards. Still got to get the box off and o/s driveshaft

Moving more towards a rebuild every time....
Maybe I should have added, Blueprinted engine, ported & gas flowed head......

[katbloke]

Sorry no pics for a bit, just the o/s driveshaft to remove ive removed the roll pin but its stuck fast one the i guess splines, one last hose clip on the metal pipe out the back of the water pump mounting, oil cooler and speedo cable which i still cant work out how to remove.

Will put some more pics up soon.

[PhilW]

Well dissapointed!!!
I saw a new posting on your thread and was expecting some great update images:doh:
You trying to create a cliff hanger?;-)

[katbloke]

Sorry Phil talking about photos ahem your turn 😆

[PhilW]

Sorry Phil talking about photos ahem your turn 

LOL, I sort of knew that you were going to send me that reply, I did deserve it.
I just want to get to a tipping point and then I will oblige.....Honest

[katbloke]

These arrived today

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/IMG_5922_zpsjdxd3wrh.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/IMG_5922_zpsjdxd3wrh.jpg.html)

[Trophy irl]

Hi Katbloke
thats some rebuild are they the kick plate for the cill ?? if so would you have the part number
please i must get them for mine car and a few other bits also is that a golf rallye in the pics in page 8 :grin:
again well done

[katbloke]

They are the kick plate stickers part number 7700831148 and yes it's a golf rallye the workshop it's in seem to specialise in VWs and Porches and a guy upstairs who does lotus 7s

[Trophy irl]

thanks for that part number did you find it easy to get new parts and where would be a good place besides rpd and fleebay

[katbloke]

Rpd have best prices for these I'm afraid

[Vandella]

there's two on ebay atm.. £50 each

[katbloke]

Looks like he's got some nice bits n pieces for sale

[Robinson16v]

Wow I remember commenting on a thread about this car on a welding forum! You've way over took me now in regards to progress lol. I need to get myself some more tools and start doing mine again. I have 2 to restore now, although the new one I've bought will only be a mild restoration. Those guys are really good at what they do, about the only person I'd trust other than myself. P.s the photo of the naples front inner wing a few pages back is mine lol :p nice to see them getting the attention they deserve. I must start a thread up for my xeros :)

[katbloke]

Haha yes after seeing yours on mig-welding i had to order those inner rear arches, i need to get out in the garage and get the clutch and flywheel off and mount engine to the stand, ive been so slack the stand hasnt been out of the box yet

[Robinson16v]

Haha! They're good stamps those. Iirc they need a bit of modification to match valver/williams. Might not be a problem but I noticed they're slightly different. I've not touched mine since last year :(

[fab]

So where the hell are you with this thread?
I'm too lazy to flick back lol:saycheese:

[katbloke]

Cheers fab still stripping the engine down to its bare minimum then I can mountain to it on the stand and start cleaning painting and reassembling. Car gets painted in a few weeks so photos and videos will follow

[PhilW]

Out of interest Graham, are they painting it in Cellullose or 2k?
I've not cheked into it yet, but assumed that the car was painted in cellulose when new, do you know?

[katbloke]

Don't know tbh thought Base coats were water based and 2k lacquer not sure

[katbloke]

Got it mounted today

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161442_zpscecarc7v.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161442_zpscecarc7v.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161450_zpsqhta00nl.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161450_zpsqhta00nl.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161500_zpslwnvem71.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161500_zpslwnvem71.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161526_zpsmokwovtm.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161526_zpsmokwovtm.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161537_zpssiehxnvj.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161537_zpssiehxnvj.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161541_zpskclgnagk.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161541_zpskclgnagk.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161545_zpsgxiywwuo.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150403_161545_zpsgxiywwuo.jpg.html)

Then I need to tidy up and get using these two

[katbloke]

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[fab]

Nice pics of the oil pressure sender unit.
12/13mm to remove it?Just in case I ever have to replace it on the blind.

[katbloke]

Im just trying to photograph as much as i can for reassembly purposes, need to get some torx sockets as the top cambelt cover has 3 that wont undo by my usual method, next i have to block all hole with kitchen roll and mask all gasket faces then i can start cleaning

[fab]

Im just trying to photograph as much as i can for reassembly purposes, need to get some torx sockets as the top cambelt cover has 3 that wont undo by my usual method, next i have to block all hole with kitchen roll and mask all gasket faces then i can start cleaning

Try something with leverage on it so long as you have the correct torx on them. I used a torx key inside a 10mm socket and a good wrench/bar. They are pretty tough iirc just stubborn to undo.
Can you take a pic of the crank locking hole on the front of the block to show these lads where it is?

[katbloke]

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/IBFQ2HXPNO/timingbelt.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/IBFQ2HXPNO/timingbelt.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/Wiliams%20Engine/20150404_182326_zpsdywhcsqn.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/Wiliams%20Engine/20150404_182326_zpsdywhcsqn.jpg.html)

I think thats what you mean fab, front of block gearbox end by dipstick tube

[106diablogti]

Ha didn't think I had this account still :)

I've got a 3 ft bar you could use if that's enough leverage ;). Failing that get an impact driver on it and plenty of WD.

Oh and get that wire brush out ;)

[106diablogti]

Oh and have a torx key socket set as well you can borrow.

[katbloke]

Thanks Rich I think I have one now in my brothers socket set it's just getting the time to get out there and do it

[106diablogti]

Or even big beastie :6975

[katbloke]

Got a milwaukee one on my works van

[northy]

getting a nice collection of kit now.

[katbloke]

Yep North and when the cars finished it'll all be up for sale if I ever finish it

[northy]

how far are you going with the engine clean up then?

[katbloke]

Nothing too mechanical. Water pump camber and it's pulleys maybe cam followers as they were a bit rattly rest will be cleaned painted re fitted and replaced if damaged need to reign in the budget a bit as my original budget for bodywork has doubled

[katbloke]

Some of todays work done by own fair hands as Ive been allowed to go and do some stuff under their watchful, so ive spent most of today in the engine bay prepping all but the bulk head for paint.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_104849_zpsk8helgwf.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_104849_zpsk8helgwf.jpg.html)

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http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143016_zpsrvgjwqgs.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143016_zpsrvgjwqgs.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143023_zpsxvnpdqay.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143023_zpsxvnpdqay.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143031_zps0dwahbt9.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143031_zps0dwahbt9.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143043_zps92nq77xx.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143043_zps92nq77xx.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143051_zpsroavzegl.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_143051_zpsroavzegl.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/katbloke/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_145642_zps3kg2f8t0.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/katbloke/media/WilliamsRestoShack/20150414_145642_zps3kg2f8t0.jpg.html)

So it involved wire wheel crusty areas on the chassis rails and other areas untouched by welding, the 120 pads on a DA followed by 320 grit then a scotchpad then a blow off ready for masking and painting.

Big thanks to Dave for honesty as hes spotted a small ding in the roof that looks recent as in whilst in their hands so hes painting that for free.
Both doors off too so they can be prepped filled etc etc.
All in all ive enjoyed today and learnt some processes for preperation.
Cheers.
G.

[PhilW]

Nice work there, its good to do some of the bits yourself isnt it ?(leaving the skilled parts to the pro's of course)
That engine bay when its finished and looking good, will always be the bit that you did :smile:.
Nice to see some more progress, its getting there now.

[katbloke]

Cheers Phil, have been prepping inner edges of doors today whilst they prep the quarters

[northy]

I think you need to redrill the front wheel arch trim clip holes Graham - then paint the car. would be a killer to have to drill into fresh paint and loose all the protection it gives.

Take the front wheel arch liners with you to double check.

[katbloke]

Thanks Northy I'll take on out for alignment checks

[Robinson16v]

They're a direct fit matey, it's the inner rears that are lightly different, but when you buy them from carz2 they only send you the face of it so it's pretty easy to make it fit, I bent mine back a little bit ;-)

[katbloke]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/20/d709cb426ac06310043d7562bd4e65cf.jpg

[PhilW]

Does this mean that its going into the paint booth shortly?
I'm envious of the stage that you are at, a finished car is looking a long way off for me at the moment!

[katbloke]

That's in the booth now wetted floor ready for painting

[PhilW]

Its been quite a thread, will be great to see it painted.
I hope you can remember how to put it back together again 😉

[katbloke]

Will be after loads of advice on reassembly ..Make water tight first then will do all bulkhead refurbs brake lines etc then the engine and loom reassembly cam begin

[PhilW]

At least you are ahead of me so I will be able to get advise from you.
Having said that, I have photographed most parts that I removed, so if you are not sure where something should go, I will probably have an image of it.
The wiring loom, I still have nightmares about removing that, I bet getting it back in will be worse!

[northy]

exciting!

[katbloke]

I hope so

[katbloke]

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[Dunc]

Yeahhhhh!! Loving this matey! Fantastic work...sooon be painted!

Looking forward to the finished results!

Dunc

[katbloke]

Cheers Dunc

[Crossers]

At least you are ahead of me so I will be able to get advise from you.
Having said that, I have photographed most parts that I removed, so if you are not sure where something should go, I will probably have an image of it.
The wiring loom, I still have nightmares about removing that, I bet getting it back in will be worse!

Phil - I may have use for some of these photos as well!

Great progress by the way Katbloke, now comes the best bit!

Paul

[theweekendhaslanded]

Ohhh matron!

[katbloke]

If anyone wants photos gimme a shout I'll try and set up a place for community access

[PhilW]

Phil - I may have use for some of these photos as well!

Great progress by the way Katbloke, now comes the best bit!

Paul

Hey Paul, no problem, just let me know what you need, whenyou need it. i will be happy to help.
I have lots of embarrasing shots with my fingers pointing to the place where the relevant part has just come from 😉

[northy]

get them pictures uploaded

[katbloke]

Been sent a sneaky preview

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[oreillesk1]

Very nice thread and work.

[Dean250]

Not been on here for a while! looks excellent quality work mate, a proper restoration. Well done, hopefully you can enjoy it in the not too distant future!

[katbloke]

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[PhilW]

Nice arty shots, very nice paintwork.
Paint will be better than whenn it was new!

[Crossers]

Awesome!