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Robinson16v
25-07-2014, 22:20
Alright guys and gals 😉

This is my project so far, it's a shameless copy and paste from CS but feel it deserves a spot on here too :cool:

Okay, I know it's not a Williams, but I see it as the next best thing to one, it's a 1994 Clio 1.8 16v.

When I purchased her (approx Jun 2011), I was told she was chipped&mapped on a ph1 ecu, clearly was lowered which I discovered was on these http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/y6ygy3a3.jpg
Was in a lot better state then as they were new lol. I bought the car off a guy in Stoke, I'm from SY and couldn't get to view/pick up so had her delivered drone stoke to barnsley for £70 :bargain: :cool:
Up on arrival I gave her a good overall inspection as pics speak a 1000words and all... Lol, was pretty surprised if I'm honest, blebbing here and there, boot was kippered as was under both doors. Engine bay was in a state also, sadly not got pics of this as it was circa 3 year ago and have changed phones a lot lol.
Anyway, I'd owned her for about 6 months, decided I wanted to add my touch, so bought a standard stereo :cool:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/umybama4.jpg
A k&n filter
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/va8ajuha.jpg

Then happy driving took place :)
And then disaster struck, just shy of Christmas that year, she was vandalised, keyed on the bonnet, sides and the windscreen was smashed :crybaby:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/ne8evabu.jpg
No pics of the key damage.
Around the sane time of that I was diagnosed with bipolar so lost all faith, she then sat on a mates drive, then my mums for about 2 year :(
Then I started to get better, got a new house (with a garage :cool: ) so started restoring her, which was always my intention!
So enough waffling from me and here's some pics to bring it to date!

Started by removing body panels
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/qu8ara2y.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/nynu4a4a.jpg

Cleaned the bay a bit, hardly noticeable lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/ytave5a6.jpg

Split the head from the block
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/amu6u8yj.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/e9uba5yr.jpg
It currently is sat like so
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/su7uqa4u.jpg

Here's some pics of the "non-optional extras" the mk1s came with lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/yju9e4es.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/e3e7ajet.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/ypy6e9ah.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/saryhenu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/uzezedaj.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/e6enema4.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/3arejyha.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/ude5adev.jpg

Obviously there's loads more lol. But there not all on my phone. So will have to update a bit later on!

Robinson16v
25-07-2014, 22:27
Decided some of the engine bits needed freshening up :)
Before and after pics
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/e3y7a4yg.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/uvumetyh.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/y6y9e9a2.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/garutu2y.jpg
All painted up
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/a3adese2.jpg

And put together lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/26/ejumy6u5.jpg

Wobba
25-07-2014, 23:53
It's good to see a project get moving again, despite personal hardships.

Those are all common rust points. Might be a good time to learn how to weld, unless you already know ofc :p

How do the engine internals look? Putting an F7R in instead?

Robinson16v
26-07-2014, 20:11
It's good to see a project get moving again, despite personal hardships.

Those are all common rust points. Might be a good time to learn how to weld, unless you already know ofc :p

How do the engine internals look? Putting an F7R in instead?

Thanks :)

And yeah I know how to weld somewhat, I did a college course and the rest I learned myself. Best way IMO.

The internals all look mint as engine was completely rebuilt 10k ago.

Sticking with the f7p I think, IMO to many get f7r or f4rd but that's just me. And IMHO the f7p is more tweak-able... Think I'm forging it though but may just go completely standard and buy another to tune :)

cliolord
26-07-2014, 21:39
Seeing pictures like these takes me back a few years! It's nice to see you've fitted the original radio to it, I love the little dated items like that with it's classic LCD display (yes I probably am a bit sad LOL). You have some work to do my friend, all the best with the project. :-D

Robinson16v
02-08-2014, 10:49
Seeing pictures like these takes me back a few years! It's nice to see you've fitted the original radio to it, I love the little dated items like that with it's classic LCD display (yes I probably am a bit sad LOL). You have some work to do my friend, all the best with the project. :-D

Lol. Me and you both share the same opinion :) nobody ever really uses CDs anymore anyway so a jack is all I need lol

Robinson16v
02-08-2014, 11:00
Got lots of goodies since the last update... I'll let the pics speak for themselves :cool:
6449
6450
6451
6452
6454
6455
And of course 6456

And these also 😝
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6458
Inside them
6459
6460
6461
6462
6463

So yeah!

In the next few week I SHOULD have a completely rust free valver lol.

The rear quarters are only poverty spec items but I've started modifying them to suit
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I have got further than that but my battery died so have no photos. However I will be sorting through the garage today to make room for the compressor and stuff, so I will get lots of photos and update later :)

Red_Dash
02-08-2014, 12:54
Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to keeping track on progress.
Good luck!

Robinson16v
02-08-2014, 22:25
Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to keeping track on progress.
Good luck!

That's alright :) I figured I'll share every detail so I can maybe help others and show people my way of doing things.
Thanks for the wish of good luck. I'm sure I'll need it lol

Robinson16v
03-08-2014, 13:25
Here's what happened
yesterday, I was hoping to make a start on the shell but had to tidy the garage out first...
Here's before I sorted everything
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/ymasanab.jpg
Messy messy garage, bits everywhere, so I started moving stuff
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/pu8u2evu.jpg
Engine and panels in one corner
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/mu4emabe.jpg
Rubbers arranged
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/a3y3ygym.jpg
Sorted through all the stuff, put some in the car and threw quite a bit, I was a bit stupid and wanted to keep a lot of little bits that were probably original to this car as they all had matching dates on. But space was needed so threw them out http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/epe7abe5.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/gysunaty.jpg
Bonnet and front wings are stored in a box box at the bottom of the garden lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/zujyny6a.jpg
Compressor in it's location with the welder also
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/epuva9u9.jpg
Carpet removed
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/3yhusu6e.jpg
Through the floor selfie... LOL 😂
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/8a9a3ese.jpg
More rust was found, again, not all that bad IMO. I've seen worse on newer cars that haven't stood for circa 3 year
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/pebequte.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/u5ypa3em.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/epegusa3.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/7ygepaja.jpg
And how I left everything,
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/03/evemepuv.jpg
I need to go and get some quick release couplings for my air hose as they didn't send me none. So will try get something done later and update :)

northy
04-08-2014, 10:29
have fun welding them patches in. Hope your welder can be turned down low to stop blowing through

Robinson16v
04-08-2014, 22:37
have fun welding them patches in. Hope your welder can be turned down low to stop blowing through

I've tested on a surplus bit of metal today and the welder I've bought is bang on for welding anything up to 5mm in thickness :)

Robinson16v
04-08-2014, 22:46
Bit of an update! I got the quick release couplings along with some air tools and stuff
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/usanupyh.jpg
So today I set about removing the drivers side sills (yes sills! I'll explain further down)
I started cutting it along the line with the air grinder http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/uzyvupyd.jpg
Then my air powered needle scaler thing arrived, which also comes with the air chisels! Result lol.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/etyse8e9.jpg
Started to cut into it
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/u6u2e3yh.jpg

Evidence of too fast wire speed on a previous patch repair lol!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/a2ypapup.jpg
Now, the sills! One the drivers side, yes, there's 2 outer sill skins on! For some fcuked up reason :/ http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/a4etutuz.jpg peeled back the top one which is visible in the pic and it was Naples still lol.
And it had 2 spot welds along the bottom! Retarded I know but that's by the by, all is getting done right.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/vu8y9yhy.jpg
Few pics of the inner sill
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/8any7yra.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/3a2umaha.jpg
More tomorrow

Robinson16v
05-08-2014, 14:45
Bit of an update! I got the quick release couplings along with some air tools and stuff
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/usanupyh.jpg
So today I set about removing the drivers side sills (yes sills! I'll explain further down)
I started cutting it along the line with the air grinder http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/uzyvupyd.jpg
Then my air powered needle scaler thing arrived, which also comes with the air chisels! Result lol.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/etyse8e9.jpg
Started to cut into it
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/u6u2e3yh.jpg

Evidence of too fast wire speed on a previous patch repair lol!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/a2ypapup.jpg
Now, the sills! One the drivers side, yes, there's 2 outer sill skins on! For some fcuked up reason :/ http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/a4etutuz.jpg peeled back the top one which is visible in the pic and it was Naples still lol.
And it had 2 spot welds along the bottom! Retarded I know but that's by the by, all is getting done right.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/vu8y9yhy.jpg
Few pics of the inner sill
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/8any7yra.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/3a2umaha.jpg
More tomorrow

My battery had died yesterday so didn't have photos of the sill removed. So here's a pic
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/5azu6aqu.jpg
I need to do some fabrication for the inner sill and I'm going to order 2 inner wheel arches http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/a3ehu9yr.jpg
Also ordered a pair of front inner wings too
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/05/upupu7u2.jpg a 3 week wait for them though as the supplier (carz2) had to order them from Klokkerholm.[/QUOTE]

Robinson16v
05-08-2014, 21:58
Okay... So today this is what I've done.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/a4aveje6.jpg
Started removing what's left of the sill
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/uby2u4a2.jpg
I did it bit by bit so I didn't cut it too short. Takes a little longer than it probably should but I'd rather not rush having not done anybody work in a year or 2
Removed the rear quarter, again bit by bit
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/u9ezu6az.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/ugyhaza5.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/6y3usy4a.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/9ypy6ype.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/ba6ade6y.jpg
And test fitted the new wing (I know it's not as flared as it should be yet but I'd rather have the shell ready for it to go straight on once it's done
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/haryquru.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/5a9a7u3e.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/u2a7ene6.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/bebe7age.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/qepu6u7y.jpg
Going to do the other side tomorrow, now I've got the "feel for it" back it will (probably lol) take me half the time than what today did

Wobba
06-08-2014, 23:09
Oh, wow, epic :D

I wish I could weld! Might go learn, as I don't trust people with my car...that double skin job you found is a prime example why!

Keep us updated :D

Robinson16v
06-08-2014, 23:18
Oh, wow, epic :D

I wish I could weld! Might go learn, as I don't trust people with my car...that double skin job you found is a prime example why!

Keep us updated :D

:D
Welding is more of an art than a skill IMO.
I was self taught with a little tuition from an old school panel beater lol. He always said to me "the welds don't have to look good, as long as they're penetrated enough, it's okay as you'll grind them flat afterwards anyway"
Quite good advice ime lol.

I know that feeling though, I love having the knowledge to be able to repair my own motors, too many "mechanics" out there just bish bash bosh things, it was same when I was removing the engine, there were bolts missing, snapped bolts, engine loom was a mess, under front bumper clips are snapped off and lots more.

If you want to learn to weld, buy yourself a decent mig, and get plenty of practice on some scrap metal :)
Will post an update tomorrow as I've not done anything at all today lol, need to get done compressor oil tomorrow and some fibreglass to fix up my stepsons mini moto lol :cool:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/07/8ymu4ama.jpg

Wobba
07-08-2014, 12:11
Awesooooome!

fab
07-08-2014, 14:18
Yep..Respect!

Robinson16v
13-08-2014, 22:16
Bit of an update! Not a big one though ha. Only managed to squeeze about 2 hours in today.

Cut away some rusty metal
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/ajenurav.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/ygy4evuh.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/yzu6a2az.jpg
Marked up the other side ready for the other quart coming off
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/ytu4uqys.jpg

And a video of all the rust that dropped out lol!
https://vimeo.com/103374037

northy
14-08-2014, 08:56
where did you get the rear 1/4's from and how much were they?

Robinson16v
15-08-2014, 01:11
Carbodypanels.co.uk mate. Wings are 29.97 for os and 25.76 for ns...
I ordered all these for a total of 210.86 delivered to my door the following day http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/15/ahaqe3e2.jpg
They are brilliant quality too. Almost as good as Genuine Renault imo

16v_paddy
15-08-2014, 01:16
They are brilliant quality too. Almost as good as Genuine Renault imo

Right up to the point they get fitted onto a car & at that point they'll be just as shit as genuine Renault panels :lol:

Robinson16v
15-08-2014, 01:16
Carbodypanels.co.uk mate. Wings are 29.97 for os and 25.76 for ns...
I ordered all these for a total of 210.86 delivered to my door the following day http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/15/ahaqe3e2.jpg
They are brilliant quality too. Almost as good as Genuine Renault imo

Robinson16v
15-08-2014, 01:19
Right up to the point they get fitted onto a car & at that point they'll be just as shit as genuine Renault panels :lol:

:lol:

I can't disagree with you there mate.
You fixed your track toy up yet?

16v_paddy
15-08-2014, 03:22
You fixed your track toy up yet?

I've just got a gripper diff for it, does that count as fixing it? :gears::razz:

northy
15-08-2014, 10:29
so your idea is to use a non 16V wing and flair it out my fitting onto the standard 16v crease line?

Robinson16v
15-08-2014, 12:48
I've just got a gripper diff for it, does that count as fixing it? :gears::razz:

:lol: I'm sure that and a a custom manifold will sort everything 8-)

Robinson16v
16-08-2014, 21:21
so your idea is to use a non 16V wing and flair it out my fitting onto the standard 16v crease line?

Yes mate. I've worked in body shops so I'm pretty good with a set of panel beating tools... I'm using the full "up to window" rear quarter and modifying it to flare as a 16v/williams would.
There's a trick to it which I will post on when I come to the other side. I used this method on a mates rt clio and people thought it was a valver shell so can't have been a bad job lol 😝

Robinson16v
16-08-2014, 21:38
Been doing a bit of work on the car today, managed to remove the front panel and test fit the new one. Was going to sandblast the engine bay too but I'm going to leave it until I get a sealed gazebo 😉
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/by2upuqa.jpg
This came in handy for getting rid of the seam sealer in the hard to reach areas
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/gypy7ara.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/y2aba4y9.jpg
Removed the subframe and all attached bits http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/za3a8ury.jpg
Brake hose nut was dead tight, so had to snip the tw@ lol http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/ymupapyb.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/de8yna3y.jpg
Salvaged an old mop stick to retain some stiffness lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/rudu8y2a.jpg
Always wondered why my scuttle would fill with water haha http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/u8anyzed.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/yna7yqyz.jpg that's one way to gain access from underneath with a sander lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/ze4uda4y.jpg a rust patch was found, gauged up http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/a9y9e3yg.jpg
A bit of the old quarter panel is the same gague :) waste not want not lol http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/nenegure.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/a8e4egar.jpg marked ready for cutting out (line is shabby, I'll cut it straight and weld it better lol)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/a8yrejy3.jpg removed old front panel (forgot I'd not tacked the bar in place lol!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/davade5a.jpg new front panel offered up to the car ( still need to cut some out for the removable slam panel )
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/ere8y7ys.jpg that's it for today I'm afraid. My front inner wings should be here this week, so will be able to progress a bit more then. Also decided I'm buying new tools as some have been "borrowed" fml... Lol

northy
18-08-2014, 12:44
very nice - do you manage to drill all the spot welds out ok with 6mm??

Robinson16v
18-08-2014, 17:53
very nice - do you manage to drill all the spot welds out ok with 6mm??

They drill out okay but I tend to grind them down with a dremel and they then pop off using a flat head screwdriver or something similar. I used to use a proper spot weld cutter but they only lasted for about 5 spot welds lol.

Robinson16v
23-08-2014, 22:11
My front and rear inner wings arrived yesterday
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Had to spray some red oxide on the rear inners as they didn't have any protective coating on
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All I've managed to do is mark up the existing rear inner arch ready for cutting
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Will hopefully be getting some sheet metal in the next few days so I can fab up a floor and inner sills. Then it's time to crack on with the rest :)

Robinson16v
26-08-2014, 19:48
After a lot of thinking and debating I've decided I'm throwing the towel in, it's a heartbreaking decision for me but it's my final decision. RIP TOA

Crossers
26-08-2014, 20:56
Oh no way?! Why? :upset2:

Justin..
26-08-2014, 21:00
That's a shame. You've just spent a lot of money on parts too

fab
26-08-2014, 22:00
:-(
With your skills you should be making money for yourself.
MK1's are endless money pits and there is no decent return for one in sight.;-)

Robinson16v
27-08-2014, 15:38
I've changed my mind guys. I'm carrying on. This time I'm going to make sure I'm well planned out, that was my problem before, getting half way into one bit, not been able to finish it properly to starting on another bit. Going to order some sheet metal, new air hose and create myself a rota! Lol

Vandella
27-08-2014, 16:10
Good boy, u know it makes sense.. seeing as you came as far as you had already!! we're behind you all the way!!

Justin..
27-08-2014, 16:13
Good man!

Crossers
27-08-2014, 17:45
That's more like it!

Robinson16v
28-08-2014, 11:51
Cheers guys :)

Wobba
03-09-2014, 14:02
I've changed my mind guys. I'm carrying on. This time I'm going to make sure I'm well planned out, that was my problem before, getting half way into one bit, not been able to finish it properly to starting on another bit. Going to order some sheet metal, new air hose and create myself a rota! Lol

I think that's a good way to move forward. Get a plan together and also don't let yourself get burnt out and losing enthusiasm, which is easy to do.

You can do it!

Mucho respect from my corner dude :)

northy
04-09-2014, 09:02
youve done alot of cutting out there - lets see some new metal going in for a bit.

Robinson16v
04-09-2014, 20:09
I think that's a good way to move forward. Get a plan together and also don't let yourself get burnt out and losing enthusiasm, which is easy to do.

You can do it!

Mucho respect from my corner dude :)

Thanks dude :) will get some updates this week at some point :)

Robinson16v
04-09-2014, 20:10
youve done alot of cutting out there - lets see some new metal going in for a bit.

Agreed! Definitely going to start doing some patchwork. Fed up of cutting lol, although 99% of the rust is gone now :)

northy
05-09-2014, 08:51
so you just have 30% of the metal to replace now lol

Robinson16v
05-09-2014, 11:19
Something like that! Lol

Robinson16v
14-09-2014, 16:25
Won't be updating for a while folks. My garage has been burgled and all my tools have gone, compressor and welder too :(

MattDilley
14-09-2014, 19:56
That's crap mate! Hope you get back on your feet with the project soon.

northy
15-09-2014, 10:08
thats not the kind of post i wanted to read - was looking forward to seeing your progress!

hny
26-09-2014, 18:04
how sad i was enjoying reading through this thread . hope you get back to it soon .

Robinson16v
26-09-2014, 18:35
It's a shame but I believe in everything happens for a reason.
I'm starting to save up for new tools and I'm going to be making my garage more secure, and I'll be getting some home insurance too. Thanks for all the positive comments folks

Robinson16v
16-06-2015, 15:40
Small update :)

Have now laid a deposit on a replacement shell :)
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/16/f65dc3e05d41973512af2c3e80db9e62.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/16/039007e29f877a4be394000669488b23.jpg

Yes yes I know, loads of rust. But that's what a restoration is all about :)
Besides I've already got new inner arches to go on. Will update with more photos when she's sat in my garage :)

katbloke
27-03-2016, 11:31
That reminds me, i have one sat somewhere lol