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rupertfinch
01-05-2013, 10:36
Everytime I log in I see my 2 winking at me from the banner at the top. It needs driven after it's winter slumber.

So, before the rubber hits the road I'm tempted to remove the subframe and have it powder coated. Trouble is, I'm a bit confused.

1. Is it better to remove the engine and gearbox completely before doing this or...
2. Can I leave the engine in-situ (supported by one of those engine beam support things) and remove the subframe that way?

Yours in anticipation
Mark

16v_paddy
01-05-2013, 19:20
You can leave the engine in-situ as it'll be supported by the other 2 engine mounts. You just need to remove the downpipe, dogbone, PAS pipes & steering column from the rack & you're all good.

The hard part is if the captive nut cages break - as they often do :rant: then you need to try & get a spanner onto them, passenger side isn't too difficult but the drivers side is an utter pig because there's no room, different matter with the engine removed though :lol: but ripping the engine out to get at 1 nut is silly so the better option is to just chop the bolt with a grinder. If you're at the stage of the captive nut cage breaking you'll need to get a replacement from renault anyway so might as well get a bolt whilst you're there

rupertfinch
06-03-2014, 16:43
Well bullet bit and new subframe purchased from Renault part number 7700818251 £332 all in! madness.

This part number superseded the older Williams number - so I'm guessing its a valver one? I understand the original williams one is a heavy beast and this one didn't seem too bad. No ones available in UK and brought in from France.

So now to remove all of the above and get down to getting her fixed.

Any thoughts on extra rustproofing the new subframe?

Or if anyone has Dialogys and wants to attach a subframe diagram showing me all the attached bolts and gubbins I would be extra grateful.

will 2
06-03-2014, 17:49
thats a good price as i priced one a couple of weeks ago and was quoted over £700 :shock: but that was a williams one.

as for rustproofing waxoil in all the holes so that it coats the inside then outside there are a few ways to go, paint it with chassis paint. underseal it, spray wax etc , have a look on these sites
http://www.dinitrol.co.uk/

http://www.frost.co.uk/?gclid=CKDMjMOu_rwCFQkUwwodlrsAQw

rupertfinch
06-03-2014, 21:35
Can I ask if you got a part number? I avoided my local chain Renault dealer and went to one a bit further afield. The parts guy couldn't have been more helpful and spent ages looking through systems and making calls. He was advised by Renault uk that the old number was obsolete and this is the updated one. I've no desire to spend hundreds more, but I also want the right one under my car. After all she still sits at the top of many forum pages! It amazing what a good photographer can do!

16v_paddy
06-03-2014, 21:51
Just had a look on dialogys and that part number is a valver subframe, the part number for the Williams is 60 01 025 879 at £442, my dialogys isn't the most up to date with the prices but was only £12 out for what you've paid for the valver item so shouldn't be too far out but I'm not promising anything :lol:

Here's a pic of the whole lot though

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq165/16v_paddy/2012/Dialogys%20pics/Subframe_zps3739afde.png

16v_paddy
06-03-2014, 21:53
Did your new subframe come with part number 9 already fitted? If not you can't get them from Renault anymore (so I've been told by a few stealers) but can be found on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171155239628?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

rupertfinch
07-03-2014, 14:08
OOH many thanks I shall furnish them with that part number and see what the Renault UK computer says. If it's another 100 quid I might be tempted, but if that price excluded VAT I will just work with what I've got.

Thanks for the heads-up on the rubbers. I shall be ordering presently.

cliokiz
07-03-2014, 14:12
Need to see some pictures of this brand new shiny subframe :)

rupertfinch
07-03-2014, 16:12
Need to see some pictures of this brand new shiny subframe :)

Oh they're coming. Along with my attempts to fit everything. Might as well document it.

rupertfinch
28-04-2014, 08:14
<a href="http://s284.photobucket.com/user/rupertfinch/media/IMG_05381.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll31/rupertfinch/IMG_05381.jpg" border="0" alt="New subframe photo IMG_05381.jpg"/></a>

Well, here it is in all its glory. I might have a few spare evenings soon, so a few questions if I might.
1. The original Williams one was/is grey. Tempted to zinc prime this and spray. Anyone know if this would work ok and if so recommend a suitable rattle can colour (halfords ideally).
2. Then got to the reattaching with old bits, hmmm, should the fixings be shiny? Yes. So, my dialogys refuses to boot. Could someone furnish me with some part numbers for the bits in the image above? I'll post up which bits later, better go to work...

Thanks to @16v_paddy for the ebay bush recommendation.

Many thanks, Mark

rupertfinch
28-04-2014, 08:19
6253 Might work now.

Vandella
28-04-2014, 08:57
I have a copy of dialogys that works! :winkey: £20 and its yours

rupertfinch
29-04-2014, 12:57
I like your style. Must get round to ordering one...

I took a lunchtime punt and headed over to my local (and usually useless Renault Dealer) where a parts chap took me into the store room (nowt dodgey) and went through Dialogys with me ordering the bits and bobs, customer service is usually not their strong point "A Clio What?". Some are becoming NLA so stockpile people, I hope I can reuse these items.

Anyone any ideas about painting subframe? I'm starting to think it's maybe a bit pointless and I should just stone chip it once fitted, but then again...
FORD POLAR GREY - Thank you search.
Now, will it already be powdercoated? Or will I need to do that?

Oh and if a kind soul knows the part numbers of the wishbone bolts and nuts, then I'd be grateful. I've no idea what mine are like as sus was only changed 7k ago, so hopefully good, but it is a Renault and best to be prepared. I figure I might cause the aforementioned parts chap to break down if I asked him to find these.

Phew, I shall stop writing.