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willant
13-05-2012, 12:12
Hi,
I'm looking to buy the cleanest williams I can to have as a concours project. I have found a williams 3 which has 13000miles on from new with the present owner having had the car for the last 15 years. I've spoken to him and he seems like a nice guy, and he obviously wants the best price for his rare car, However having trailed throughout the internet I can't find anything to use as a reference as to how much his car is worth.

So, in short that's my question. to be fair to the current owner I think this car has to be at the top end of what these cars are worth? it's just what is the top end for these cars in this condition?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated as i'm hoping to phone him today and hopefully secure a deal.

Thanks in advance,

Anthony.

diditno
13-05-2012, 12:19
Maybe 3k if its really really nice. Some may well go for more, but3k is more than fair

Wobba
13-05-2012, 14:58
Need to see it and give it a good look over tbh, but I think if it is top notch and only that low mileage, possibly £5k. I suspect prices will rise slowly though.

glyn211269
13-05-2012, 15:07
Like Wobba says, it depends on the condition and how much history the current owner has. And has the drivetrain ever been overhauled.....you know what JC5 boxes are like with 130k on them.....

If its absolute mint inside, outside, underneath and mechanically then yes, it could be £4-5k....but is it???

Post some pics and a link to the advert and you'll get some far better opinions.

diditno
13-05-2012, 15:30
I have to ask. Is it 13000 or 130000? Im confused

willant
13-05-2012, 15:41
Hi,
the car has covered 13,000 miles that's thirteen thousand. with full history previous mot's etc. still on original tyres brakes.

Sorry for any confusion.

Daz.
13-05-2012, 16:09
Price is entirely on you - It's completely dependant on the car - My price would change from panel to panel on the car.

What you feel comfortable with really.

diditno
13-05-2012, 16:27
I doub your goingto ever find one with that lower milage again ever. If you can afford to buy it, uy it. It may have a premium attached to it, just due to the milage, but as said above it what your happy with paying.

Daz.
13-05-2012, 16:47
I'd rather have a 130,000 garaged example over a 13,000 miler sat outside for years.

Mileage can be misleading.

ianbirch
13-05-2012, 17:34
There was a Williams 3 floating around that was on low mileage but had been extensivley accident repaired, it's not that one is it?

If it isn't that one and it is on original paint with NO rust and in overall immaculate condition and I wanted a willy 3 I would pay up to 7K for it.

Regards Ian

willant
13-05-2012, 17:46
It's not accident repaired as far as I know, I'll obviously check that before handing my hard earned cash over.

willant
13-05-2012, 17:57
As a note I think it's going to cost me about 10k to buy this car, really really want it and it is extremely clean and original but 10k seems a bit steep. having said that will i ever find another one like this? are there many low low mileage original williams about?

diditno
13-05-2012, 18:07
10k is a lot. They were around 14 new. Id go in at 7 and see how you get on. It does depend if its going to be driven or kept locked up and trailored to shows. If you want to drive one buy a cheaper one, but i dont think youll find another one with that mileage. Its a once in a lifetime chance. All depends if you can afford to have a fair amount of cash tied up in it. I would given the chance.

willant
13-05-2012, 18:16
Thanks diditno,
I bought one new many years ago and had to sell it as I couldn't afford to run it at the time, so I've always promised myself I'd have one again and this has come up. My intention is to keep it locked away and maybe trailered to shows, I have the money sat here burning a hole in my pocket to be honest. so I'm thinking that If I want it I'll just have to pay the premium.

Thanks for your replies, they have been most helpful,

Anthony.

ianbirch
13-05-2012, 19:46
As a note I think it's going to cost me about 10k to buy this car, really really want it and it is extremely clean and original but 10k seems a bit steep. having said that will i ever find another one like this? are there many low low mileage original williams about?

To my way of thinking there is nothing wrong with paying 10k BUT you really are into top quality territory.... my only other reservation at that price would be that it isn't a Williams (1)..... but that's just me.

Regarards Ian

ianbirch
13-05-2012, 19:54
I take it this is the one for sale by obieman.... who has been conjectured to be Monsieur Barrington :)

willant
13-05-2012, 20:39
yes it is, do you know the car?

ianbirch
13-05-2012, 21:42
yes it is, do you know the car?

No sorry Willant, I don't know the car. Is it Rob Barringtons?

If it is, somebody else on here might know a bit about it.

Regards Ian

MatBrown
14-05-2012, 00:06
There was a Williams 3 floating around that was on low mileage but had been extensivley accident repaired, it's not that one is it?

If it isn't that one and it is on original paint with NO rust and in overall immaculate condition and I wanted a willy 3 I would pay up to 7K for it.

Regards Ian

Think that one was on an R reg.

TooSkive
14-05-2012, 09:17
IMO It's not worth 10k, it's a Williams 3 not a 1. The non standard parts are off putting too.

£7k tops.

glyn211269
14-05-2012, 09:22
^^^^ what he said.

Put it this way, a Williams 1 is always going to be worth more than a 3.

And 0425, which is a multiple show inner and one of the best, if not the best Williams 1 around, just sold for around £6k...

northy
14-05-2012, 09:59
Why is a 1 going to be worth more than a 3??? ok I know the pro's and cons for each model bla bla bla but the 3 is the rarest one in the UK. depends what he wants!

Don't worry about bolt on performance parts. These can be easily removed.

Buy the best you can afford!!!!

If he won't take a penny lest than what he wants - Then that is the price you pay if you want it!!!

northy
14-05-2012, 10:04
And 0425, which is a multiple show inner and one of the best, if not the best Williams 1 around, just sold for around £6k...

'If not the best Williams 1 around'

That's some statement there Glyn. Glad your happy with it pal. Look forward to seeing this at FCS!

Coops
14-05-2012, 10:29
willy 3 is a valver shell, worth 20p tbh, i'd pay 7k for a 13k mile Williams 1, but never for a 3.

but that's just me!lol!

TooSkive
14-05-2012, 10:43
Why is a 1 going to be worth more than a 3??? ok I know the pro's and cons for each model bla bla bla but the 3 is the rarest one in the UK. depends what he wants!

Don't worry about bolt on performance parts. These can be easily removed.

Buy the best you can afford!!!!

If he won't take a penny lest than what he wants - Then that is the price you pay if you want it!!!

Value is subjective, but the Williams 1 has the plaque and I personally would pay big money for a mint low mile one, not a 3. It's personal preference, but if it was worth 10k it would have gone already to a certain Mr Brown! :lol:

p4cks
14-05-2012, 10:53
IMO there is no difference in value between the 1, 2 and 3. That said, I wouldn't pay £10k for any one. They aren't worth it at all, and 0425 was probably the best Williams going and that went for £6k so there is your ceiling.

Anyone with a Willy will be able to tell you that getting a 100k Willy up to 0425 standard will cost much less than £6k.

And I read that this one has some aftermarket parts. That should reduce the price too. If it is a museum piece, then I'd say £5k maximum.

northy
14-05-2012, 11:30
Anyone with a Willy will be able to tell you that getting a 100k Willy up to 0425 standard will cost much less than £6k.

Don't you mean 'more'


And I read that this one has some aftermarket parts. That should reduce the price too. If it is a museum piece, then I'd say £5k maximum.

This is my point. It is worth what someone is willing to pay. Saying its worth 5k max is rubbish.

Mat Brown only wants a 1. That's his choice. Everyone is different!

Forum talk - don't you just love it!

Coops
14-05-2012, 12:27
matt and the skiver are right though, its not a choice as a 1 is a williams, everything else is just a fake :P

ah to release the cat.......fly my pigeons, fly! :wink:

northy
14-05-2012, 12:44
I know the pro's and cons for each model bla bla bla


:wink:

fabulicious
14-05-2012, 12:47
All this talk about money and yer gonna make me greeno!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/fabtrader/incrediblehulk033108-1.jpg

p4cks
14-05-2012, 14:37
Saying its worth 5k max is rubbish.


I didn't say it was worth £5k though. The 'price' of something is not necessarily the 'value' and that is always going to be the case with Willys. I was merely mooting that I wouldn't spend any more than £5k on one.

It's easy to get rose-tinted about these cars, but they will never ever be 'worth' five, six, ten or fifteen grand as they just aren't special enough. What someone pays for theirs, is what they are willing to pay.

But, I agree, forum debate is good and it is good to read everyone's opinions on these cars.

fabulicious
14-05-2012, 15:17
Hi,
I'm looking to buy the cleanest williams I can to have as a concours project.
Anthony.

Firstly, if you take what the OP's opening line was it doesnt make sense.
What exactly is a concours project? A car in concours condition is a project for what exactly? For show? Thats not a project really is it.

Secondly, in reality a second hand car is only worth either
(a)what someone is willing to pay for it
OR
(b)the sum of it's parts to a breakers.

Looking at option b we know for a fact that a breakers is going to pay anything between £600 and £1000 for a Williams for the sum of its parts. In my view it does not matter if you have spent 10 grand replacing parts on it or it has 10K on the clock. They dont give a hoot.
At option A we know that an enthusiast or maybe collector (and there is a distinct difference between the two) will pay asking price if he really wants the car. Your average joe soap will laugh in your face if you said to him you wanted 6 to 10 grand for a Williams.
It has many different values to many different people. Therefore, debating the price of a Williams is pointless.

For me there is no monetary value to mine. It's special to me, for the places it's brought me and the time I've spent repairing it, and the people I've met along the way, the memories in other words. I would not swap it for all the williams left on the planet.

It is a special car!

ianbirch
14-05-2012, 17:42
IMO It's not worth 10k, it's a Williams 3 not a 1. The non standard parts are off putting too.

£7k tops.

Is there a pic of this car somwhere as you seem to know a bit about it....
maybe post it up if there is.

Regards Ian :)

jock
15-05-2012, 01:18
Aaw Fab I have a tear in my eye, sniff, after reading about your special wee car ;-)
I know what you mean really though, I got asked by a bloke outside the chinky tonight ' was that a real williams? ' and another guy says you've had that car for years! never met either of them before. Turned out one guy has a 172 and knows of sideways danny. Small world, but Willys are little legends aint they ! :D

fabulicious
15-05-2012, 08:42
Aaw Fab I have a tear in my eye, sniff, after reading about your special wee car ;-)
I know what you mean really though, I got asked by a bloke outside the chinky tonight ' was that a real williams? ' and another guy says you've had that car for years! never met either of them before. Turned out one guy has a 172 and knows of sideways danny. Small world, but Willys are little legends aint they ! :D

Thats the thing really..only when you own them for years do you begin to understand its TRUE value.
Time and time again newbs come on here asking "how much" and it fooks me off tbh. They havent a clue!

jock
15-05-2012, 16:56
Lol !
Was hoping to visit Cork next month Fab, (sorry for thread hijack) to help bring a pilot cutter back to its home in Falmouth but trips been cancelled :-( never been to the south, drove Kirkistoun with the formula E car, once upon a time. :-)

willant
15-05-2012, 20:17
Wow!! started something here.

Thanks for all your replies, most of them have been helpful.

Good point about why is this a project, basically i bought one of these brand new and couldn't afford to run it so had to sell it and this is my special car i'd owned and always promised myself I'd have again, so in short I really want as close to the car i used to have. Also, theres a huge difference between clean and concours and a huge amount of work. i have had two cars featured in magazines in the past from other marques and have done bare metal restorations, however this is enough of a "project" for me now.

With regards to the comment about being a "newb and not having a clue and it f**king you off tbh" I think you should have a serious think about what kind of message that sends out to prospective williams owners and potential forum/club members. In the last two months I have bought a Porsche Cayenne as my daily driver and a Lamborghini gallardo, and I didn't have a clue about either of these cars really as i'd never owned them. However after speaking to some extremely helpful forum members I was able to make an informed decision on both cars, and have now joined a super car club i didn't know existed, again due to a helpful forum member.

With regards to the price, I think the question I really should have asked was "clio williams 3 13k on the clock how rare?" i think then that would have given me more of an idea whether I want to spend 10k on this car.

Once again, thank you very much for all your helpful comments,

Anthony.

northy
15-05-2012, 20:52
Any car that was made in the early / mid nineties on sub 50,000 miles is rare in today's market place. 13,000 miles is as close as it comes to owning a new car in my books.

The lower the mileage, the rarer the car, the more it's worth.

I bet there is only a hand full of Williams on here that are within that group!

That's some car collection to have In your garage!!!

This Williams 3 was advertised for sale a long time ago now. Have you had a viewing of the car yet as that advert isn't the greatest :winkey:

Jamie.
15-05-2012, 21:20
I would pay £6k tops for it. I think the days of saying a 1 is worth more to a collector than a 3 are diminishing, due to low numbers left.

willant
15-05-2012, 22:04
Thanks for that, I'm going to arrange hopefully to se it this week. to be honest I don't mind paying a premium for it if it's the right one for me, I can't see me selling it unless i need to.

i am very lucky to be able to buy these cars at the moment, but it's a funny thing i stopped to fill the lambo up the other day next to a lad with a very clean mk 2 escort rs turbo. He came out as i was looking at his car we had a brief chat about it and I said what a lovely car i thought it was. he then realised that the lambo was mine and said "I can't believe you'd even look at mine" but it was every bit as nice as the lambo in my opinion, maybe not as "flash" but just a really nice car. it made me think that if you love cars I think you love them, if you see what I mean? We all have favourites but a nice car is a nice car and respect from me to anyone who loves there pride and joy, whatever it is.

Just read that back and I sound a bit like a pompous grandad, but I hope you see what I'm saying.

Anthony.

willant
15-05-2012, 22:07
Forgot to say, it was a 3 i had so this car is how I remember mine. aahh back in the fast and furious days...

Jamie.
15-05-2012, 22:16
Pics of your car collection just now?

TooSkive
15-05-2012, 22:17
You make a lot of sense Willant 8)

willant
15-05-2012, 22:20
how do i put pics on here?

fabulicious
15-05-2012, 22:37
In the last two months I have bought a Porsche Cayenne as my daily driver and a Lamborghini gallardo, and I didn't have a clue about either of these cars really as i'd never owned them. However after speaking to some extremely helpful forum members I was able to make an informed decision on both cars, and have now joined a super car club i didn't know existed, again due to a helpful forum member.

Anthony.

So you buy a lambo and a porker in the past two months and have assumed some sort of higher human status like 90% of the bullshitters on the web that allows you to come on here with your first post and without even introducing yourself and babble on about prices and a concours project?
I find that insulting and derogatory.
I also believe that that is not in the spirit of this club, its members or the Williams car itself. Totally my point of view.

If you've spent that kinda money on cars in the past 2 months what the fook difference is another 10 grand going to make?
The only thing you've started is to get on my nerves.

:roll:

willant
15-05-2012, 23:02
Super human status? Sorry I don't understand what you mean? and what exactly have I said that is bullshit? again, i don't understand?

basically my point is that how can you take offence to what I see as a genuine Question about price? were better to ask that question than on a williams clio forum?

And lastly, just because I can spend the money doesn't mean I just buy something because the seller says that what it's worth?! It would seem that this car is over priced but I'm 90% sure I'm going to have it. the difference is is that thanks to other replies I've had on here I'm going into it with my eyes wide open. I'm sorry but I'm really struggling to see how this would cause you any offence?

Anthony.

willant
15-05-2012, 23:07
P.s. the only reason I mentioned the cars I've recently bought is because, theres not many lambo owners to ask about the cars so the net is brill for speaking to current owners, it's the same with the cayenne as its only been out for 12 months, and it's the same with a williams clio.

Just to clear that up for you.

jock
15-05-2012, 23:09
Think people use link from photobucket or similar, as you can only upload pics of 250k max to this site iirc.
I prefer monaco blue if im honest, and did think about changing it when I had it sprayed, also toyed with having it Ecurie Ecosse blue but the williams police would have had a coronary ;-)
No one wants you to get ripped off, but if its mint and you like it then its up to you how much you value it at the end of the day. You dont sound like a newbie to me. Fab gets a bit over exited at times I don't reckon he's been the same after breathing in the fumes from burnt jcloths/brakes at Donny. ;-)

glyn211269
15-05-2012, 23:21
Some people come out with stuff on the end of a keyboard that they would dare to to someones face....

If you have a lambo and a Cayenne then fairplay to you, others will only be jealous!

I'd have a small fleet cars if I had the space to keep them all!

fabulicious
15-05-2012, 23:28
I have no problem saying what I type to anyone's face and as anyone that has met me in person will know that.
Like I havent had my fair share of supercars to play with that I have to come on here and be jealous :roll:
SAD!
I'm not some kiddie playing around with toys and have put a lot of work into maintaining a Williams over 7 years rather than going out and buying one with the real work already done :wink:

At this point I call for the custard test!

Jamie.
15-05-2012, 23:29
Just use photo bucket or Flickr to upload pics. Be nice to see them. Understand the lamborghini but not the Porsche. Never liked the cayenne - not want a range rover or fast estate like an rs4\6 or m car?

glyn211269
15-05-2012, 23:56
And at this point I call for all handbags to be put down and us all to play nicely :-)

Yes, I throw my hands up entirely in that I'm now the custodian of someone elses years of very hard work. Something I'll certainly never take any credit for.. But I work away all week and simply dont have the time to spend all weekend under a car. Otherwise you just pay the price in other ways and there are more valuable things in life than cars believe it or not!! ;-)

northy
16-05-2012, 08:09
At this point I call for the custard test!

Ooooh I like it. I'm in! :saycheese:

glyn211269
16-05-2012, 08:20
This is beginning to get like that Jason Plato tread on Pistonheads.. :-)

fabulicious
16-05-2012, 09:16
Glyn you know aswell as the rest of us that buying a williams doesn't come from the pocket..it comes from the heart or the soul. You either want one or you dont.
Sure enough you would be foolish to jump in and buy one without thinking but I will honestly say if your car is "as YOU want it" then for what you paid for it you have done very very well!

I'm not going to write down what I have spent on mine because it would make your hair stand up but you know what, it has been a joy to have as a hobby/pass-time especially in tough times when I needed to occupy my mind with something.

Over the past couple of years I've been watching the prices and it appears to me like so:

750-1000 if it's not running and been lying around, a shed in other words.
1000-1250 if it has an MOT.
1500-2000 if interior is clean/fresh and no major bodywork prangs/dents.
2500-2750 if exterior paintwork is very good with no rust showing.
3000- 3500 if the underbody is spotless, and that means subframe and rear axle also.
4000 with clean exterior and underbody (no rusty parts), relatively low mileage and with mostly original parts fitted.

Anything over that and I would be looking for almost complete originality, or a very very good modified example with nice trick parts and has not been hacked at.
That's a very broad over view of what you can expect to see and pay if your in the current market.

Other's please feel free to offer your own insight into those prices as it can only help dispel some of the confusion of current market place values.

robi1000
16-05-2012, 11:10
Also mind that prices vary from country to country. On the continent a willy in average condition fetches 4000€. Good one about 7k€. Mint ones 10k+. Extra low milage ones are sold in the region of 15-20k€.

I'm not saying that the car is worth that much, but if you really want a low milage one, this is probably one of the cheapest on the planet. :)

I spent so much on mine I could buy a Cayenne for that money... So, like others said. It's only worth what you are willing to pay for it!

willant
16-05-2012, 12:29
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/abf9b8da.jpg

willant
16-05-2012, 13:03
I've got to be honest and say that I think this is possibly the best forum I've ever been on! Sad but can't stop thinking about it!

Fabalicious, I totally understand what your saying about the work you have done to your car and that you buy with your heart, it's how I've bought probably 99% of the cars I've ever owned. Also, I have been beaten in the past in concours events after spending two years solid restoring an rs by someone who had bought there car a month before the event with someone elses hard work.

I have always loved these cars, I had some great times in mine and I've always regreted selling it, I think mainly because I had to sell it because i couldn't afford it. The appeal of this one is that it is completely original, it's still on the same tyres it was sold with!! I can remove the after market parts as the owner has all the originals, and I'm very lucky at the moment as I can afford to buy it.

lastly, I can really relate to what you said about escaping into the garage it's were I spent most of my time before the kids, However now having 3 kids who have a better social life than I do my time is very limited. so I just can't take on another restoration project, so this car I think is perfect for me.

I feel we may have got off on the wrong foot, as you seem like a decent guy and from what you've said we could probably be as sad as each other and talk about cars all day. I was just a bit upset at your initial comments.

Lastly, i should know by the end of today whether I've bought it so I'll post some pics if I can do a deal.

excited,

Anthony.

jock
16-05-2012, 13:44
1 custard - moi aussi

2 Anthony, hope you get your willy after all this!

3 So now I need to find a willy in one Fab price bracket, do lhd conversion and sell it in the equivalent robi bracket.

4 what 'tread' was Plato using and more importantly was it in 185/55 or 195/50 H or V fitment ? :D

fabulicious
16-05-2012, 14:11
:notworthy: to willant even though there is no custard :D
I'm a fairly opened minded person and truly believe that if people are honest the best will work out.
Sorry I was sceptical and perhaps rude on my original posts but it was not directed at you as a person but merely at the talk of prices.
I'm sure you know you take a gamble/risk with buying any car, new or old, and a Williams is no different.
Sure you needed to ask what they are worth but to me "some people are so poor all they have is money" and I hope you are not one of them :wink:
Good luck with the purchase.

willant
16-05-2012, 15:54
Fabulicious, I can feel a great freindship comin on :)

I'll let you know how I get on.

diditno
16-05-2012, 16:24
Have you any pictures of the car in question?, i know there some debate on here about williams 1 are Real, the rest are fake, blah blah, but in your situation, i would buy the very best example i could find, wether it be a 1 2 or 3. On the money side again, id say pay what your comfortable with. Good luck with the purchase.

Coops
16-05-2012, 23:14
wheres the custard the the cheesy mugshot of yourself with a laptop open on this thread on this forum on the bonnet of the lambo.............. :wink:

northy
17-05-2012, 21:31
I've got to be honest and say that I think this is possibly the best forum I've ever been on! Sad but can't stop thinking about it!

Lastly, i should know by the end of today whether I've bought it so I'll post some pics if I can do a deal.

excited,

Anthony.

Come on mister :tease: :titanic:

ianbirch
17-05-2012, 22:48
Yes Willant..... what Northy said :roll:

vkosho
18-05-2012, 04:06
In the last two months I have bought a Porsche Cayenne as my daily driver and a Lamborghini gallardo



Mate. Although you do sound like a decent bloke. I can't take this seriously after reading that. As everyone says its worth to you whatever you want to pay for it. Clearly you want it, so why debate the price if you clearly have the money. Yeh, statistically 10k is far too much for a williams in any condition based on the current climate and i personally can't understand why you would pay so much to own a 3. However if you are as genuine as you seem then i wish you well in owning the car.

And yeh im pretty jealous, your obviously a very lucky guy :wink:

willant
18-05-2012, 16:55
I really wish I hadn't put on here what cars I've recently bought now, just to be clear I was trying to make the point that the cars were rare and I needed help and advice on buying them.

I am very lucky to be in a position to have these things, although without wanting to start a huge debate, I havn't been on holiday for 7 years and havn't had more than one day a week off in the last three years and average 70 hours a week, and I am quite sad in that I don't drink or go out so cars are my hobby really.

Anyway, went to see the car yesterday and I have bought it, I can't tell you how happy I am with this car it is absolutely fantastic and a real credit to it's current owner. I've left him a substantial deposit and will collect it next week.

The plan then is to put all the original parts back on and then start from the bottom up to get it to concours standard.

I'll post some pics as soon as I get it, but will probably start a new thread.

Many thanks, for all your advice it really has been a huge help, although yes I do have the money to spend, that doesn't mean I'll just throw it away. With the advice you have all given me I have been able to go into this with my eyes wide open.

Many thanks,

Anthony.

willant
18-05-2012, 16:58
Coops.
Lol!! I'll take that pic for you over the weekend.

fabulicious
18-05-2012, 17:44
First congrats and stop worrying about the thread. Sometimes you make your best friends when you agro a little :wink:



The plan then is to put all the original parts back on and then start from the bottom up to get it to concours standard.

This is when you are really gonna need our help.

All the best.

Jamie.
18-05-2012, 19:12
Congrats - looking forward to all the pics.

diditno
18-05-2012, 19:25
Woohoo. Look forward to seeing it.

glyn211269
18-05-2012, 20:59
There was me thinking I'd paid possibly the highest price I was aware of for a Williams and then within a couple of weeks I've been blown into the weeds, lol!!!

Yes, very interested to see the said beast :-)

northy
18-05-2012, 21:29
There was me thinking I'd paid possibly the highest price I was aware of for a Williams lol!!!

Sorry Glyn but you need to watch these big claims to fame. Thats two this month :winkey: I know your excited still heeehee

6k for a Williams isn't all that expensive mate.

northy
18-05-2012, 21:46
Coops.
Lol!! I'll take that pic for you over the weekend.

Don't forget my picture :wink: I take it you took One of the car to post up????
Congratulations

obieman
18-05-2012, 23:58
Remember :- If its good and cheap it wont be fast...Fast and cheap it wont be good....Good and Fast it wont be CHEAP :D

ianbirch
19-05-2012, 07:27
Congrats Willant..... look forward to the EXTENSIVE pics.

And even a post from the elusive Obieman :shock:

Willant check your private messages.

Cheers Ian

talkingfish
19-05-2012, 10:48
Bugger, should have put 0425 up for £10k, lol!!! :wink:

Seriously, congrats on your purchase, looking forward to seeing some pics!

glyn211269
19-05-2012, 11:05
There was me thinking I'd paid possibly the highest price I was aware of for a Williams lol!!!

Sorry Glyn but you need to watch these big claims to fame. Thats two this month :winkey: I know your excited still heeehee

6k for a Williams isn't all that expensive mate.

Regarding the mintest Willy's and the most they've changed hands for I did say 'possibly' and 'that I'm aware of!'

......and clearly there are other deals been done out there that I've not been aware of!...but would be very interested to hear about! ;-)

glyn211269
19-05-2012, 11:09
Bugger, should have put 0425 up for £10k, lol!!! :wink:

Seriously, congrats on your purchase, looking forward to seeing some pics!

LOL, I think even I'd have had trouble coming to terms with that price!! ;-)

PS. thanks for sending that stuff through, new V5 arrived today so all sorted now..

northy
19-05-2012, 11:39
Now that's a better price Darren!

Mat Brown money!!!!

Red_Dash
19-05-2012, 12:47
Will you be bringing this to the French Car Show?

It would be good to see it before it goes into hibernation for concourse detailing 8)

Daz.
19-05-2012, 15:49
Want to see this

fabulicious
19-05-2012, 16:57
Whats there to see Daz? It's the wrong colour :shock:

where is that flame suit

Coops
21-05-2012, 12:20
congrats on the purchase fella :-)

robi1000
21-05-2012, 12:40
Whats there to see Daz? It's the wrong colour :shock:

where is that flame suit

There you go:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/5erdriver/FlameSuit2.jpg

jock
21-05-2012, 13:23
I reckon thats an anti-custard suit ;-)

fabulicious
21-05-2012, 15:15
Whats there to see Daz? It's the wrong colour :shock:

where is that flame suit

There you go:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/5erdriver/FlameSuit2.jpg

will that work on scots that dont know when to stfu? :lol:

jock
21-05-2012, 23:25
Lol :-) was looking forward to seeing some photos.

northy
22-05-2012, 08:24
4 days and no pictures :wink:

fabulicious
22-05-2012, 08:37
Well thank heavens we haven't lost our sense of humour yet!

In a weird perverse way I suppose I would like to see this car but I'm baffled as to why it hasnt been seen around before. Was it advertised somewhere? Does low mileage really warrant double the going rate? Doesnt seem so on modern cars.
Some of you will claim the rarity of the car would push up the price but rarity to me would mean that there are less than 10 available. Is that the case?

Screw the williams though. I'm happy enough to have seen that lambo. I mean imagine the punanni you would pick up in that!

northy
22-05-2012, 08:59
It was originally advertised a year ago or so from memory fab. [/list]

fabulicious
22-05-2012, 09:07
Did Mat see the car?

diditno
22-05-2012, 09:39
Maybe but he only want a 1, not a 3

fabulicious
22-05-2012, 09:44
Yes but it would be nice to hear his thoughts on it. :wink:

glyn211269
22-05-2012, 10:38
Yes but it would be nice to hear his thoughts on it. :wink:

Yeah, come on Matt, whoop whoop!!!

MatBrown
22-05-2012, 17:56
Not seen it, think it might be the one that obieman tried and failed to advertise?

northy
22-05-2012, 18:40
Will check my records tomorrow. Might have saved this on from the 'original' seller

willant
25-05-2012, 17:05
Well................went and picked the car up last night, really sorry I've not put any pics up or anything yet but I have been silly busy with work. I'll take some pics over the weekend although it will be Sunday as I'm working tomorrow!!

With regards to taking it to any shows this year, Yes I'd really like to I don't think I'm going to do much more than give it a right good clean until the winter months.

Thanks for all your comments, this is the busiest thread I've ever started!! and to be fair to everyone on here and everyones different views, the passion you all have for these little cars is astounding!!

Thanks again,

Anthony.

northy
25-05-2012, 23:06
Not even a teaser picture???

irishandy
25-05-2012, 23:53
They are going to be a classic one day and worth alot but thats not why you buy one - its how it makes you feel and there is not one day I take out my Williams that I have at least one stranger come up to me and want to talk about the car and that is...... priceless!

Congrats and I hope you have many happy hours enjoying your Williams!

ianbirch
31-05-2012, 17:25
No pressure Willant but...... :doit:

northy
31-05-2012, 20:10
:pop: :titanic:

Jamie.
01-06-2012, 23:02
Time to let the pics do the talking.

glyn211269
02-06-2012, 09:28
that's right, you cant tease us with all this talk about this 13,000 mile £10k Willy and then just disappear!!!

talkingfish
02-06-2012, 16:36
Anybody smell a rat or is it just me??

northy
02-06-2012, 18:30
Smelt it from day one - must be the custard that's gone off PMSL

northy
02-06-2012, 18:30
that's right, you cant tease us with all this talk about this 13,000 mile £10k Willy and then just disappear!!!

He is building up the suspense!!!!

ianbirch
02-06-2012, 20:19
Smelt it from day one - must be the custard that's gone off PMSL

Can you explain the custard reference.

Cheers E :)

icenutter
02-06-2012, 21:16
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=181&t=1131090&mid=0&i=0&nmt=just+bought+a+m3+CSL.+&mid=0

There's a Jason Plato one as well on Pistonheads.

northy
02-06-2012, 21:20
You have a link to the Plato one???

ianbirch
02-06-2012, 22:06
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=181&t=1131090&mid=0&i=0&nmt=just+bought+a+m3+CSL.+&mid=0

There's a Jason Plato one as well on Pistonheads.

Thanks for that icenutter.... very funny thread.

Cheers Ian :)

talkingfish
03-06-2012, 07:54
PMSL @ the custard thing...... :lol: think it is most definately needed!

icenutter
03-06-2012, 11:20
Here you go

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=933047&mid=0&i=0&nmt=Just+met+Jason+Plato%2E%2E%2E&mid=0

It's quite a good read, but nothing much happens in the last 20 pages or so. The best bits are at about page 10.

willant
07-06-2012, 16:08
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/da2d1291.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:09
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/79ccda96.jpg

glyn211269
07-06-2012, 16:15
Yayyy!! At last :-) Keep 'em coming...that manifold shot is giving me a twitch! :-)

willant
07-06-2012, 16:35
Right, just sorted how to do the pics again, Sorry but i am really rubbish with all things PC.

Since I've got the car home i have given it a right good clean, and to be honest I am now wondering what to do with it, what I mean is that as it stands it is very original. it's still on the original tyres!!! and it is very very clean already, so I am very reluctant at this point to start changing parts for shiny new ones. I've put the original air box back on and will put the original discs on, and I just need an original exhaust system if anyone can help with that.

(It has a full mongoose system on at the moment which I'm happy for someone to have if they want to collect it.)

I think I have probably over paid for the car, but the owner wouldn't budge on price so if I wanted it that was the price. To me it's worth every penny though, I feel really spoilt to be able to have this car, and it keeps making me smile when i think about it, it means a lot to me personally. without sounding to sentimental, the last time I had one of these times were a lot harder for us, and I remember being gutted every time I saw one on the road for about three years after I had to sell mine. it's like going back in time and is acting as a reminder of things could quite easily have gone the other way for us, I surprisingly felt quite emotional when I drove her home. like I say I do feel extremely lucky to have been able to buy this one.

Lastly, on a lighter note. I have three boys age six,eight and eleven, I have been lucky enough to have brought home some extremely nice cars over the last few years, and I know it sounds awful but they have always acted a bit spoilt to be honest in the past and I've found myself saying "My dad had a yellow escort van with black wings!!!!!" and things along those lines when there reaction has been underwhelming to say the least. However, all that was completely different with the williams, they were all over it like a rash, I was actually crying laughing at there enthusiasm for the car!! "will you take me to school in this one daddy" and "is it a real rally car?"

Anyway it's all good news up to now and it's already given me a couple of good memories.

Anthony.
P.S. The plate is coming off and it will be on it's age related plate.

willant
07-06-2012, 16:36
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/da2d1291.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:38
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/4907c779.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/5831892b.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/6401f8e4.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:40
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/11ca4705.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/d9e25cde.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/ecb9c925.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:45
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/0a50089d.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/08d6fbc4.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/0d0fa07d.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/2c846551.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/3712c429.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/d330d197.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/c4e91973.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:48
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/6f2dfdd4.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/lamboant/3b98be4b.jpg

willant
07-06-2012, 16:49
Not touched the underneath.............yet

Jamie.
07-06-2012, 17:41
Any pics of the Lamborghini and Williams together?

Bigfoot
07-06-2012, 17:54
Any pics of the Lamborghini and Williams together?

Dont you see it on one of the first pics he posted up :wink:

ianbirch
07-06-2012, 18:22
To be honest Willant, reading the reasons you wanted a 3 I think you got what you paid for, judging by the pics. Hope the interior matches the exterior.

I think it would be a difficult task to even find a Williams (1) in that condition
as i'm sure Mat Brown would testify.

Cheers Ian :D

northy
07-06-2012, 18:43
Yey at last - well worth the wait!

Very nice mate. Can we have a few more pictures???

Dashboard with mileage, full sides of the body, fuel filler and the rear arches.

Is that reg to be transferred back or just gone on?

I might have some pictures of this car when it was forsale years ago!!!!

Ps mat will get his car. It's only a matter of time!!!!

talkingfish
07-06-2012, 19:14
Nice! TBH any Williams in that condition is worth getting close to whart was paid....

no bowl of custard on the dash though??? :?

ianbirch
07-06-2012, 19:19
No custard test needed.... 8)

Coops
08-06-2012, 10:02
lovely example and glad your happy :-)

shame its a 3 tho ;-) :P

northy
08-06-2012, 10:07
That backbox doesn't look like a performance one. Just the mid section

Coops
08-06-2012, 11:29
it looks stainless and none standard to me, just not off the shelf stainless either. bores to big and theres a kind of flared/rolled look to the tip, none standard looking anyway :D

northy
08-06-2012, 13:03
yes your right Ben. Also I can see 'outlet' on the backbox.

Do you have an original system to fit Ant???

northy
08-06-2012, 13:46
Looked at my pictures again Ant and I have the car down on 13095 miles in 2004.

Performance filter, same exhaust and same short reg plate!!!

fabulicious
08-06-2012, 14:07
Willant,
I'd go to a renault dealership and have then fit the original exhaust. The airbox you have available to fit back on anyhow. You will need a ramp to get at the under-body properly.
Most importantly the tyres are WAYYYY too old to be driving around on. Get them replaced or get a spare set of alloys with fresh tyres to use everyday.
TBH trying to make this into a concours car and you will be wasting your time energy and money, especially since you paid over the odds for it. Remember, inexperience can do more harm than good so dont go hacking at it. These yokes are made from cheese and many parts are becoming unavailable, new.

With that said, I would rename this thread " I bought a Williams and the kids are gonna love it".
:wink:

Coops
08-06-2012, 15:16
personally i'd give it death, preferably on a nice salty road on the south coast by the sea through winter.........…

then they may be a project for the following year, you know, stick the arches back on etc etc ;-)

TooSkive
08-06-2012, 21:32
TBH trying to make this into a concours car and you will be wasting your time energy and money, [B]especially since you paid over the odds for it.[B]

I disagree, if you have restored one from the ground up to near concourse condition then to a real enthusiast it's well worth the money.

northy
08-06-2012, 22:40
Don't change the tyres either Ant! There isn't many of these cars still on the original rubber!!!!

fabulicious
09-06-2012, 08:06
I disagree, if you have restored one from the ground up to near concourse condition then to a real enthusiast it's well worth the money.

How many people do you know on this site have "restored a williams to concours condition" from the ground up? I can name 1 in 8 years.

And whats this rubbish about a "real enthusiast"? A real enthusiast would buy the best he can get for the right money and do the restoration himself rather than going out and buying one almost done.

This guy here is already in for 8 to 10 grand. He will need to spend another 2 grand on tyres, exhaust and other bits just to get the car back to original spec.
If he goes into concours mode he will need to strip that car down and repaint almost all the parts even if they have a spec of rust on them. Add another 4 grand to get a pro to do that and he's in for 13/14 grand.
Now you tell me where in the UK will you find someone thats gonna pay 15 grand for a Williams 3? You are better off restoring a shed than this one.

Some people on this site are really deluded.

fabulicious
09-06-2012, 08:25
Don't change the tyres either Ant! There isn't many of these cars still on the original rubber!!!!

That wholly depends on the condition of the alloys. If they need a refurb "for his concours project" then it makes no odds if he takes the tyres off or not.

TooSkive
09-06-2012, 09:29
I disagree, if you have restored one from the ground up to near concourse condition then to a real enthusiast it's well worth the money.

How many people do you know on this site have "restored a williams to concours condition" from the ground up? I can name 1 in 8 years.

And whats this rubbish about a "real enthusiast"? A real enthusiast would buy the best he can get for the right money and do the restoration himself rather than going out and buying one almost done.

I've owned Williams for 10 years and I'm talking from experience, not my soapbox.

A real enthusiast will get the best car they can period or spend the money making it so. To me 10k is not overpriced

northy
09-06-2012, 10:16
That's all well and good fab, but Willant has gone out to find the best Williams he can so he doesn't need to do a ground up restoration. 10k isnt all that much for a car on little more than delivery mileage!!!!

I very much doubt if the car had been 14k - he would of still bought it!!!

Talkingfish - he did his car in stages. A rolling restoration. I bet he wouldn't of bothered if he had if found a minter - and work ongetting that to high standard. Hey it would of been a lot cheaper than 10k!!!

The car of Ants is a cracker. Very rare to find one now that's done so little mileage and been so well looked after. I would guess that's the 3rd lowest mileage car I've seen on this forum! And defiantly the lowest 3!

0001, 0014, Ants, 0002 etc! All great well loved cars that I would love in my garage!

northy
09-06-2012, 10:20
Don't change the tyres either Ant! There isn't many of these cars still on the original rubber!!!!

That wholly depends on the condition of the alloys. If they need a refurb "for his concours project" then it makes no odds if he takes the tyres off or not.

I have changed my views on alloys and I am now with Matbrown! No paint is very very important on wheels. I've never seen a Refubished set come close to the originals!!!

Smokey McPot
09-06-2012, 11:31
The amount of work an individual does to a car does not equate to being an enthusiast.

You could do nothing, or all of the work on a car. The fact the work is done relates more to a persons enthusiasm for it, than the condition it was bought in, or the money that has been spent.

chill32
09-06-2012, 12:46
Ant, what a fantastic car you have there - hopefully get to see it in the flesh one day! And to be honest, from the pictures it doesn't seem at all 'over-priced'. I don't think for a second it'll ever be worth less than what you paid for it, of course if the condition stays the same...

Charlie.

willant
09-06-2012, 14:49
It's ace on here!!!

I'm really not sure which way to go with it to be honest, I really really like the fact that it is so original and at the moment I feel it would be a shame to do anything other than clean it, However that does leave me with a problem of a project, maybe another one that needs a complete restoration?

With regards to the price, If I'd have bought this car in this condition/mileage, say 18months old I probably would have paid this for it? So the only other facter is the age? and i'm thinking that the older it gets the more the price will go up? Like i say I'm just absolutely made up with it and am not planning on selling it ever!!!

If the weather ever pics up I'm hoping to take it (him/her) to some shows this year so if any of you are going to any pleeeease let me know.

Ant.

P.S. I've not decided if the williams is a he or a she at the moment, although it feels like a he.

talkingfish
09-06-2012, 15:03
Looking at the pics, I would say there is honestly not a lot of work needed to get it to concours standard. A good detail for starters will work wonders...

Williant - search 0425 on here and you'll see how I progressed with my car - In the end I spent over £10k including the cost of the car.... In the end it sold for £6k so there you go, you pays your money, you takes your choice!

fabulicious
09-06-2012, 17:00
I've owned Williams for 10 years and I'm talking from experience, not my soapbox.

And this coming from a former admin of this site who fooked off deleting all his posts in the process? And caused the club forum to descend into a cesspit of some personal vendetta he had against a member? Yeah you got off your soap box alright and came back in to stir some more shite.


Northy, I cannot believe you can be so naive to judge this car on the mileage..especially a 3. Ask him to take photo's of the subframe, the engine block, the sills and take off the rear passenger cards to look inside the arch's?What are you going to see then? The mileage means fookall. In fact it makes it even more undesirable in my eyes as it has no character or charm to it. Also there is no guarantee he wont have problems with it. You have completely missed the point I attempted to get across to willant and that is, dont spend anymore on the car than is necessary at this time. It simply is not worth it. Drive it and enjoy and not on 20 year old tyres.:roll:

Why dont you show everyone on here who has paid for a "club" some courtesy and respect and fix the website instead of playing childish games with Jon?

Anthony, I have tried to be as constructive as possible for you to come and join this community and give you advise based on my own years of experience maintaining a Williams and from what I have witnessed on this site. The best classic's are the ones untouched IMO especially if they have been well maintained anyhow. Nobody on here is qualified or experienced enough to talk about concours projects except Talkingfish and Coops who helped him out.

As far as I am concerned and this is meant with no dis-respect to owners of Williams 3's, but as far as I am aware and I have documented proof in front of me the only Williams that have a homologation extension from the original valver are the 1,2 and the Maxi. Therefore in my eyes the 3 was not and is not built for rallying and can never be classed as a classic rally car. It never even sold 1 unit in some european countries. And why is that?
Maybe in 10 years or 20 when there are fewer around or some sucker who believes they are something special, they will pay 10 grand for one but otherwise no thank you in my garage.

It's a goodnight from me and good luck. :roll:

theweekendhaslanded
09-06-2012, 18:45
Well fella I'm please for you!!

Its a stunning car with stunning mileage. Its far from 'delivery miles'

Well done you!

Get yourself a Williams 1 as well!! They look good parked next to each other in the garage.

:D

northy
09-06-2012, 23:23
I think your reading too much into this fab. I judge the car on the pictures I have seen and that's it. Low mileage - Original wheels and tyres = in my eyes it's been very well cared for! And it shows in the pictures. I would love to see some more pictures. I like pictures!!!

He needs spend nothing. I agree there but it was you who said new tyres are needed ASAP! Yes but that takes away from the originality of this car. If it was a sierra cosworth still on the original factory now obsolete Dunlop tyres it would add thousands to the selling price!!!!!!!

My only comment in reply - again a big statement made here! There are more on this forum than just Talkingfish and coops who has rebuilt / restored / welded / spannered / modified willliamsclio's!

willant
09-06-2012, 23:23
I really don't care whether it was made for rallying or not to be honest, I just know that I love it and It feels very special to me. I've got to be honest and say that if I'd had the choice of getting a 1 I'd have got that, however, I'm not planning on selling it soon so hopefully won't need a another sucker like me to come along :oops:

I do agree with you fabulicious when you say keep it as it is, I think it needs to stay as it is. and to be honest there's not a lot to gain as it's so clean anyway. I'll take pics of the rear arches etc for you.

Ant.

TooSkive
10-06-2012, 00:18
Fab, I'm not stirring anything up here, merely giving my opinion which obviously differs from yours.

Ant, if I were you I would listen to Northy, Mat Brown and Ian Birch, what these chaps don't know isnt woth knowing.

2 live
10-06-2012, 12:43
An interesting read. Some good pics there Ant.

Some good comments too.

As already said though, the reason these cars have the reputation they have is because of how they drive, NOT how they look. As let's be honest, they aren't the best looking of cars are they?
BUT, they are 1 of the best DRIVERS cars out there and to say they still get rave reviews on how they DRIVE, even when compared to modern day machinery, that's some credit for a car nearing 20 years old.

I'm with Fab on this 1. Just throw some new tyres, New Camelot on it and enjoy its reason for being built. Drive the bloody thing. Out of the Williams and lambo, I know which 1 I'd be looking at admiring in the garage, and which 1 I'd be taking over the b roads for an enthusiastic drive.

I really can't understand people, supposedly enthusiasts, who spend a fortune on them just to look at them lol. As fab says, a car the kids will enjoy...... If you have them.

Good luck with your purchase mate. But drive it please.

2 live
10-06-2012, 12:55
Should say Cambelt, not Camelot. Damn predictive text. And welcome to the club. Or what's left of it. Hopefully soon it will be run by a true enthusiast.

willant
11-06-2012, 14:05
Thanks for that, with regards to driving the car, I've got to say it really does still stand up agains't todays cars, still feels quick, engine feels smooth gearbox is amazing and I've got to say that the seats are still the comfiest I've ever sat in!!

I took the kids out yesterday and they loved it, which is really really funny as they have never been interested before :D and I really thought it would feel old and dated but it really doesn't, and as for the way the car looks, personally I love it. I always have, blue dials, williams stickers on the side and gold wheels............awsum.

Daz.
11-06-2012, 16:15
I disagree, if you have restored one from the ground up to near concourse condition then to a real enthusiast it's well worth the money.

How many people do you know on this site have "restored a williams to concours condition" from the ground up? I can name 1 in 8 years.

And whats this rubbish about a "real enthusiast"? A real enthusiast would buy the best he can get for the right money and do the restoration himself rather than going out and buying one almost done.

This guy here is already in for 8 to 10 grand. He will need to spend another 2 grand on tyres, exhaust and other bits just to get the car back to original spec.
If he goes into concours mode he will need to strip that car down and repaint almost all the parts even if they have a spec of rust on them. Add another 4 grand to get a pro to do that and he's in for 13/14 grand.
Now you tell me where in the UK will you find someone thats gonna pay 15 grand for a Williams 3? You are better off restoring a shed than this one.

Some people on this site are really deluded.


Just lol.




To the OP - that is a VERY nice car! even I'd be tempted into that and I swore I'd never go back!

Icarus
12-06-2012, 11:45
Lots of jealous little ****tards on this thread. 'Ruining this web site since 2004.'

What an absolutely superb car. Worth every penny. If i ever see another 1 on this low mileage for this price, i have the money waiting and wouldn't hesitate.

stevie_b
12-06-2012, 22:30
That does look mint. Congrats on your purchase. As others have said, it is all about how nice they are to drive though!


If i ever see another 1 on this low mileage for this price, i have the money waiting and wouldn't hesitate.

If I read the threads on here correctly, wasn't it you who sold it?!?!?

ianbirch
13-06-2012, 07:13
That does look mint. Congrats on your purchase. As others have said, it is all about how nice they are to drive though!


If i ever see another 1 on this low mileage for this price, i have the money waiting and wouldn't hesitate.

If I read the threads on here correctly, wasn't it you who sold it?!?!?

Well the original seller was Obieman.... whoever he is :roll:

diditno
13-06-2012, 14:09
ultimately you wanted one as you had to give yours up back in the day. i, in your postion would purchase the very best one i could find and afford. hats off to you. enjoy it.

glyn211269
13-06-2012, 21:41
ultimately you wanted one as you had to give yours up back in the day. i, in your postion would purchase the very best one i could find and afford. hats off to you. enjoy it.

^^^ Agreed. I already had one but wanted a minter. The cash was there but the time to do it myself wasn't so when a minter came up I did the same as Willant has and I'm well chuffed with it. I'd still class myself as an enthusiast ..these pics are making me moist....even though I cant take any credit for the actual vehicle.

willant
24-07-2013, 00:06
I've not been on here for a while, but just found this thread and thought it needed a "what happened next"
Basically I bought the car, it is in showroom condition both on top and underneath. I paid 10k for it. I've had it nearly 12 months now and i've got to say that I'm still absolutely over the moon with it!!
10k does seem alot but when I see rs turbos going for 20k plus, it seems like a bargain.

It's what it's worth to me i suppose that matters, and I'm made up.

Lastly, the reaction from people who know what it is ace, and out of all the cars I've brought home this is the one the kids love the most!

Anthony.


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172lover
24-07-2013, 01:52
How many miles on the beast now?

jamiecrookston83
24-07-2013, 07:45
Nice one. Pictures would be good to see

willant
24-07-2013, 09:40
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24-07-2013, 09:45
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willant
24-07-2013, 09:46
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willant
24-07-2013, 09:48
I hope they came through ok, I just put those pictures on on my phone!! Wonders of modern technology!


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willant
24-07-2013, 10:03
172lover

I've only done 200 miles in it, and 35 of that was to renault manchester for a service! I know they were built to be driven but I can't bring myself to take it out! I've become really protective with my litttle clio. I feel like I've got a peice of automotive history and feel very very lucky to have it.
Having said that, I'm not ashamed to admit that I've done about 5000 imaginary miles sat behind the wheel with a brew. I'm 40 years old by the way with 3 kids! Me and my nine year old have done the imaginary rac rally!!! Obviously he was the co driver, he just kept shouting "90 hard over crest!!" I'm not sure what he meant but it seemed to work because we won!!

Anyway, thanks for all your interest, best go and do some work!

Anthony.


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andreas395
24-07-2013, 10:28
This needs to come to FCS on sat so I can see it in the flesh looks mint mate 8-)how much was the bubble protector could do with one of them for when I restore my Williams 1 and extend my garage to fit it :)

Daz4567
24-07-2013, 18:50
Well its got the wrong coolant in it.

Pics of the rear jacking point, front chassis rails and front sill box section please.

willant
24-07-2013, 20:19
If it's the wrong coolant renault put it in : /


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ianbirch
24-07-2013, 21:51
Well its got the wrong coolant in it.

Pics of the rear jacking point, front chassis rails and front sill box section please.

Hi Willant... love this thread, I think what Daz means is the coolant isn't Type D which is a light green colour as below.

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Unfortunately to get the minty fresh green colour will require an extensive coolant flush... its a painful process.

Don't worry about the lack of miles... sounds good to me.

Cheers Ian

willant
24-07-2013, 22:04
Daz 4567

Is there any other pics you want? Are you restoring one?


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willant
24-07-2013, 22:14
Thanks Ian,
To be fair if I was going to drive it I think it would be an issue, but that's not what this ones about. I just feel very lucky to have it. It means alot to me because of personal reasons. And I would have another to drive if the right one came up

One thing I can't understand is these cars seem to be so overlooked by so many people? If you compare them with other manufacturers at the time I think you would struggle to get something so advanced for the money. My clio does'nt look dated even now I don't think. If you look at the engine bay on these and say a focus st theres not much difference, (if you see what I mean) were as do the same on a ford escort.

Just my opinion, but I think these cars were well ahead of there time, but don't seem to fetch the money of say a comparible rs?!


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jamiecrookston83
25-07-2013, 13:02
Amazing. Well worth keeping and by the looks of things you are looking after it extremely well.....

willant
25-07-2013, 14:40
Daz4567

Hope these are ok, I'm not sure exactly which parts you mean, anyway if you need anymore just let me know.

Also, just before a bufty slates me, I know it needs cleaning underneath but I want to do it properly with removing any of the original markings etc and I just hav'nt had time.

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25-07-2013, 14:43
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ianbirch
25-07-2013, 16:37
There you are Daz... well worth a wank over. =D>

p4cks
25-07-2013, 17:55
There you are Daz... well worth a wank over. =D>


Why else do you think he has it in a carcoon ;)

The car looks amazing I must say!

Hoppo1979
25-07-2013, 21:28
Oh my god, that's a collectors piece. Any petrol head can understand what you have done there. It's a stunner. On the flip side I have paid £1500 for a 96,000 mile williams 3 that needs lots of care to get it back to its glory. Mechanically sound, but to see a 3 in complete factory finish like this is very rare.

all I would say is make sure you do a few miles in it, and enjoy it. I work with someone that's got a 1989 911 Coupe in white, he's had it 20 years and its done 50k. It's not been used for some 16 years and the bill to get it back on the road is a biggie. Cherish it but enjoy it. It's a beaut.

Dean250
25-07-2013, 22:23
Lucky guy owning that, lovely car!

I think you should take it out a little more and enjoy it!

Daz4567
26-07-2013, 09:04
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Right, you see that box section. The rear jacking box and the front box section on the sill. Get some wax or grease into it, as they rust from the inside on those places. Also the chassis rails. If you do this it wont rust. Also do the rear chassis rails particularly around the fuel tank, Lots of wax all into the cavity. Cover the entire inside of the box section. After 30 years the galvanised metal will be losing its zinc.

Also take it to a body shop and get them to redo the seam sealer on the bonding point from the inner to outer arch. This is where water will get in and after 20 years the sealer will be cracked.

willant
27-07-2013, 14:24
Good stuff daz4567,
What car have you got? Sounds like you've spent ALOT of time on these.

Thanks for the advice : )


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talkingfish
27-07-2013, 18:38
Gotta love the low mileage ones!!! :winkey:

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willant
28-07-2013, 21:25
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northy
04-08-2013, 11:59
very nice pictures Willant - great to see some more detailed shots. Dont worry about the coolant, ive seen a few cars leave Renault after a service with that colour in.

Youve got a great car there. Please hang onto it for aslong as you can.....

Barry white r
19-08-2013, 15:26
Crikey that is impressive! =D>

rupertfinch
06-03-2014, 22:35
Really enjoyed reading this thread especially as custard was called and boy was it delivered. Enjoy that 3 sir, enjoy!

willy3ams
07-03-2014, 13:37
This could be a contender for FCS 2014 WC Stand winner. I'll have to up my game! ;)

northy
16-08-2018, 11:20
It was originally advertised a year ago or so from memory fab.
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Just managed to log back into my photobucket account and come across these pictures of a very tidy williams 3.

What i didnt know then was this later became willants car.

These are the pictures from 'that' advert i spoke about in 2012

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8910&stc=1

http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8911&stc=1

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GPH
12-01-2019, 19:43
I wonder if Willant still has the car. It's currently taxed but not MOT'd strangely. Reading this thread from the beginning is funny now, the stick he got from some people for daring to pay as much £10k for a mint car with only 13,000 miles on it...….. 6 years later.....if only :)

ianbirch
13-01-2019, 19:29
I wonder if Willant still has the car. It's currently taxed but not MOT'd strangely. Reading this thread from the beginning is funny now, the stick he got from some people for daring to pay as much £10k for a mint car with only 13,000 miles on it...….. 6 years later.....if only :)

Great post Northy...I love this thread.

GPH I think Willant has sold it on..which is a shame as he went through so much on here to get it.

Its funny you mention the nay sayers as I paid more than Willant for my Williams several years earlier but kept quite about it as I knew what would happen on here.

The most recent speculative offer for mine was 40K...go figure.

Regards Ian

GPH
14-01-2019, 01:09
Ian. by complete coincidence i just found an ad on pistonheads for the car as i didn't know what the reg number was but furher investigation shows it is this car . still on 13k miles its up for £25,950 so someone will make a killing.
http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9287&stc=1
Well done you for buying the best at the time. It's the philosophy I always use. The last 2 cars I bought were the most expensive in the country at the time due to mileage and condition as i drive them both regularly putting several thousand miles a year on so wanted them to be as good as possible to start with. They have cost me nothing except regular servicing for 4 years now and they are both over 10 years old. Buying the cheapest possible only means spending the money later anyway.

ianbirch
14-01-2019, 18:26
Ian. by complete coincidence i just found an ad on pistonheads for the car as i didn't know what the reg number was but furher investigation shows it is this car . still on 13k miles its up for £25,950 so someone will make a killing.
http://williamsclio.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9287&stc=1
Well done you for buying the best at the time. It's the philosophy I always use. The last 2 cars I bought were the most expensive in the country at the time due to mileage and condition as i drive them both regularly putting several thousand miles a year on so wanted them to be as good as possible to start with. They have cost me nothing except regular servicing for 4 years now and they are both over 10 years old. Buying the cheapest possible only means spending the money later anyway.

Ah...good spot that man! Obviously Willant used it very little if it is still on 13K...I will look up the ad on PH.

Put some pics and info of your cars on here even if they're not Renault...all welcome.

Regards Ian

GPH
14-01-2019, 20:05
I put a thread in the For Sale section with a link to the ad in case anyone happens to be looking to spend £25k ;)