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chip
17-11-2011, 15:39
Thought a few of you might be interested in this graph of the Michael Woodford Motorsport clio 172 turbo, which me and Mike from MWM have been mapping together as its on an ECU (mtech v4) that I'm very familiar with where as they were predominately Omex specialists before this conversion.

Standard bottom end still, shows how much potential these awesome little engines have :)


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chip-3door/clio/mwm-low-boost.jpg

Not sure if we are going to exploit its potential to make some more or not at a later date, 260bhp was the target Mike had when designing the conversion so I think he is going to be happy to leave it there, but its a shame really as there was blatantly still loads more to come from mapping it with a little more boost and a little less safety margin if he would have let me!

Car feels absolutely fantastic at that power though I must say, totally effortless power delivery, just feels quick but without feeling like its trying, bit like a focus RS or similar. Just feels like that is how it should have come from the factory.

I wouldnt want to warranty the gearbox though, lol

Coops
17-11-2011, 16:35
nice smooth graph as well, top banana :-)

dhay14
17-11-2011, 16:35
this was on how much boost?

sideways danny
17-11-2011, 16:40
funny, they've SLATED the Mtech ECU on cliosport

chip
17-11-2011, 16:51
this was on how much boost?

12psi held mate.

chip
17-11-2011, 17:03
funny, they've SLATED the Mtech ECU on cliosport

Yeah they had nothing but problems with the first one which was a secondhand unit, Mike and Jack were all for ripping it off and fitting an Omex instead which they prefer, but as I've been running Mtech faultlessly for years on my clio and thats what it was already running on Mike decided to give it another go.

I think if he offers the conversion commercially though he'll probably just let people choose whichever they prefer out of the two or any other ECU they want to use for that matter.
It seems to be quite an emotive subject picking an ECU (some people support a particular model like they are following a football team, LOL) which makes no sense to me as a mapper as for the last decade or so I have mapped reguarly on at least half a dozen totally different types of aftermarket ECU, and have probably used another dozen less reguarly and they are all broadly the same as they are just slightly different variations on copies of a 1980s Cossie ECU anyway, lol

Even just on my own cars I have on mappable at the moment for example I have one on Mtech, one on Autronic, one on a modified Saab ecu that is mappable, one on Megasquirt, one on RP Labs L8, and I really dont care greatly which im using, I suppose if I had to name a favourite it would be the Autronic, and of the cars I map for other people Omex is certainly a popular option, but they are all generally capable of the same things.

Wobba
17-11-2011, 17:49
Standard B/E. Impressive. Looks like a smooth delivery.

chip
17-11-2011, 17:58
Standard B/E. Impressive.

Standard 172 bottom end.
Standard 197 head.
Standard 172 cams.
Standard 197 inlet.

Interesting use of readily available standard parts to build a low comp engine I reckon.

Good to see companies trying stuff thats a bit different from just yet another overpriced ITB conversion that only gives 30bhp or even the RS2 which gives slghtly less again (although I quite like on a road phase 2 as it keeps the cruise control etc).

100bhp extra is a hell of a difference, it totally transforms the car, and yet it still has all the creature comforts.
Should work on a phase 2 as well without needing to get rid of the cruise and electronic throttle etc too hopefully


Looks like a smooth delivery.

Yeah it just feels like a standard car still when you put your foot down really, just a much quicker standard car than a 172 of course, lol

Flan
24-11-2011, 13:07
He was up My was Sunday night in it. Saidly i wasnt in my clio or we could have gone and anoyed a few people together ;)

Flan
24-11-2011, 13:08
*up my way

where is that f*ckin Edit button!!!!!!!! :x

Wobba
24-11-2011, 13:16
He was up My was Sunday night in it. Saidly i wasnt in my clio or we could have gone and anoyed a few people together ;)

Aye that's a shame. The two teeny terrors :D

chip
24-11-2011, 16:25
I'd guess yours is slightly quicker, but would certainly be in a similar ballpark.

Jack seems to be everywhere in it at the moment, I know him and Mike said to me that they were keen to get a lot of miles on it to test it out, but they really seem to have been taken that a bit too seriously, lol

Bedford on saturday with it to test if they can overheat the brake lines or not! If so then the lines will need to be moved, at the moment its been fine on the road with them just as well insulated as can be managed in the space realistically but track may show a different story of course.

At least unlike some companies who have offered turbo conversions in the past these lads are dedicataed to properly testing it out before it gets anywhere near a customer though, so fair play to them for that!

Flan
24-11-2011, 18:12
oh yer by the looks of it they were testing it!!! :lol:

chip
25-11-2011, 11:19
Lol, hooligans :)

Daz.
26-11-2011, 16:35
Still should be £1500 this conversion :wink: :lol:

Want to do this so bad now....

To be honest I couldn't give a rats ass which ecu it has aslong as it works and is fixable if needed!

chip
26-11-2011, 22:46
If you DIY it and use secondhand parts Im sure you could replicate it for 1500 quid.
Obviously never going to be that price when it comes from a company and uses new parts and includes labour though.

The ECU seems to suit the conversion quite well, nice having toys like antilag etc although not actually needed as such.

Went very well at bedford today :)

schakal
27-11-2011, 14:03
standard b/e 12psi !!
fock me sideways :shock: :shock:

Daz.
27-11-2011, 22:04
If you DIY it and use secondhand parts Im sure you could replicate it for 1500 quid.
Obviously never going to be that price when it comes from a company and uses new parts and includes labour though.

The ECU seems to suit the conversion quite well, nice having toys like antilag etc although not actually needed as such.

Went very well at bedford today :)


I'd be useless DIY'ing on something like that - I'll just save more pennies! :D