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i need a new gear box 4 my willy2.....dus ne 1 kno if a 182 gear box wud fit n if ne n wot mods wud need 2 b made 4 it 2 fit ok?
also can any 1 tell me if a 182 gear box would be better than a willy2 gear box?
thanks people!
Pretty certain it won't fit mate.
Get a valver gearbox. Not as strong and slightly different ratios, but people have run them and been happy with them. The ratios in the real world don't make too much difference though
ahhh rite...iv been told it wil fit as there both JC2 or JC5 or sumat lol.....
the ratios will be diferent, and iv also been told if i have ABS it will be ok 2 fit it but if i dont it will fit but the speedo wont work.....
thanks for the info big hp.....dus any1 else have any more info on this???
iv also been told if i have ABS it will be ok 2 fit it but if i dont it will fit but the speedo wont work.....
ABS or not doesn't matter and the speedo will work.
ahh rite r u saying u think it will fit then daz?
16v and Williams box are interchangeable yes.. but I wouldn't put a 16v box on a Willy engine..
Just get a new JC5 from Renault, £500/£600 with VAT.. and be done with it.. it'll work then, hehe.
yes but the 182 gear box is also made 4 a 2ltr like the willy....iv also been told a 182 gear box and a willy gear box are both JC5 its just the gear ratio which is diferent.....
lol i wud get a new 1 but im skint after spendin 650 on a decat, new water pump n cam belt....iv found sum1 selling a 182 box so need 2 find out if i can fit it ok etc
Not a clue about the 182 box.. I doubt some stuff will work - speedo probably won't as it's all electronic on the 182 I guess.
I was talking about Valver/Williams being interchangeable above.. heh.
VIPERONE
10-08-2005, 22:30
WILL FIT u may need spa speedo though
o rite lol....i dont really want a valver box cuz iv heard it dusnt rev as high in 5th gear.....however i might have no choice if i cant get another box!
ye iv just been told on CS that the 182 gear box uses elec pulse throught the ABS or sumthin 2 read the speed.....dont think willy 2s have ABS do they??? therefor it wudnt work properly! :(
hi every body,
I'm fred73 from the clio-williams.net.
I've the same problem with the gear box and i have studied the 182 clio RS gearbox. It's the same as the williams one (ratio gear is the same too) but the difference is that there is a the electronical speedo for ESP. You can't adapte it on williams and the ECU need it the run correctly.
So in france, we have the clio RS "ragnotti" with a JC5 129 gearbox and this one have the mecanical speedo like the williams. Don't know if this clio is available in Uk and if it has the same name.
to resume.
clio RS 172 : gearbox JC5 089 -> ok for williams but ratio different :(
Clio RS 182 : gearbox JC5 130 -> not ok because electronical speedo
Clio Rs "ragnotti" 182 : gearbox JC5 129 -> same ratio and mecanical speedo, perfect for williams
by ;)
fred
thanks fred! :)
never heard of that clio though :( is it just me or dusnt it exsist in the UK?
yeah 182's use fly by wire where the willy is a mechanical speedo... I suppose you could run stand alone ECU to get around this problem, but then I think theres a proplem with the voltage being a really non standard and weird amount for the speedo... :?
thanks fred! :)
never heard of that clio though :( is it just me or dusnt it exsist in the UK?
look a this : http://www.clio-williams.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=127670&highlight=ragnotti#127670
this is ragnotti clio 182 in france with specifque turini speedline wheel.the ragnotti has less weight too and specific suspension and dampers.
for the pb of gearbox, just remember that you need a JC5-129 gearbox for perfect compatibilty with williams :)
by
fred
KingStromba
11-08-2005, 10:06
Just attatch the 182 gear lever, then everyone will think you have the box too :P
KingStromba
11-08-2005, 10:11
hi every body,
I'm fred73 from the clio-williams.net.
I've the same problem with the gear box and i have studied the 182 clio RS gearbox. It's the same as the williams one (ratio gear is the same too) but the difference is that there is a the electronical speedo for ESP. You can't adapte it on williams and the ECU need it the run correctly.
So in france, we have the clio RS "ragnotti" with a JC5 129 gearbox and this one have the mecanical speedo like the williams. Don't know if this clio is available in Uk and if it has the same name.
to resume.
clio RS 172 : gearbox JC5 089 -> ok for williams but ratio different :(
Clio RS 182 : gearbox JC5 130 -> not ok because electronical speedo
Clio Rs "ragnotti" 182 : gearbox JC5 129 -> same ratio and mecanical speedo, perfect for williams
by ;)
fred
fred, The Ragnotti RS doesnt have Sach dampers by any chance does it?
Clio cup 172 by the look of things.
ye i think the JC5 129 is a clio 172 gear box!
well i'm told the 172 Cup has almost identical ratios to the Willy box... if there was a way to get it working that would be fantastic... or a 6 speed would be even better.
KingStromba
11-08-2005, 10:41
So we go to all this effort to find another car with an identical box to the Williams?
Ive got one - A williams :P
Apparently it fits a beauty :P
ye so iv heard :roll: lol.....
dus ne 1 kno if a 172 or 182 wud benefit then willy or wud it make no diference from a willy box?
clowo16v
11-08-2005, 10:58
I would've thought it'd be easier/cheaper to get a Williams/Valver gearbox than a 182 one anyway.
See ya
Matt
KingStromba
11-08-2005, 11:05
Isnt this a bit like fitting 172 springs to a Williams. Same part so makes no difference? If a 172 spagnotti has the same box as a Williams cant see the point of fitting one over a Williams box. :D
u cd b rite there m8!
but... u c the box is called JC5 then a number after that eg 182 box is JC5 129.....is the 129 bit just an order number 2 show its 2 fit tha cirtain modle of clio or is it 2 show a slight diference with the JC5 model gear box?
cuz then it might make a diference which box u fit rite?
clowo16v
11-08-2005, 11:35
It would probably fit on bar the funny speedo. The question is though, why go to all the trouble of buying one, going to put it on and finding that it wont fit.
Brand new I would've thought the 182 box would cost more than a Williams box anyway, as it would 2nd hand.
See ya
Matt
hi every body,
I'm fred73 from the clio-williams.net.
I've the same problem with the gear box and i have studied the 182 clio RS gearbox. It's the same as the williams one (ratio gear is the same too) but the difference is that there is a the electronical speedo for ESP. You can't adapte it on williams and the ECU need it the run correctly.
So in france, we have the clio RS "ragnotti" with a JC5 129 gearbox and this one have the mecanical speedo like the williams. Don't know if this clio is available in Uk and if it has the same name.
to resume.
clio RS 172 : gearbox JC5 089 -> ok for williams but ratio different :(
Clio RS 182 : gearbox JC5 130 -> not ok because electronical speedo
Clio Rs "ragnotti" 182 : gearbox JC5 129 -> same ratio and mecanical speedo, perfect for williams
by ;)
fred
fred, The Ragnotti RS doesnt have Sach dampers by any chance does it?
no, only trophy for that :(
I confirme for gearbox that JC5 from RS 172 doesn't have the same ratio that williams but have mecanical speedo so ok for williams but less performances
JC5-130 from clio 182 have the same ratio :)
The differences between JC5-014 (williams) and JC5-129/130 (ragnotti/ RS 182) is the ball bering inside the gearbox witch is different.
bye
fred
KingStromba
11-08-2005, 11:47
If i put a mk2 gearbox on my car will it make the rest of the car fall apart too?
only reason i was goin 2 fit a 182 box is cuz iv found 1 with low milage 4 sale....however i might jus go with the willy box, how much r they new and can any 1 supply them whos on ere at a discount???
clowo16v
11-08-2005, 12:14
Try j3ned he can get a discount on em I think. Personally i'd go for a 2nd hand one. The 2nd gearbox I fitted to mine was a re-con and it broke like the others. Just get a new one, flush through with plenty of new gearbox oil and it should be OK.
See ya
Matt
im confused :? are u sayin get a new 1 or a 2nd hand 1?
clowo16v
11-08-2005, 12:36
2nd hand I meant lol. Too much typing not enough reading lol.
See ya
Matt
dus ne 1 kno if i wack aload of new gear box oil in if it will quiten the noise down?......cuz the bearins r screamin wen i drive along lol
dus ne 1 kno if i wack aload of new gear box oil in if it will quiten the noise down?......cuz the bearins r screamin wen i drive along lol
I have exactly the same problem and I'm not alone :(
I have already change the gear box oil by tranself TRX 75W80 but same noise :(
If you want you have un repair kit available in your renault dealer but you have to find a guy who want to open the gear box. It's not an easy operation.
personaly I bought a brand new JC5-129 gearbox at very low price :) .
fred
im confused :? are u sayin get a new 1 or a 2nd hand 1?
both by the sounds of it :lol:
be careful though, as there are 2 varitions of the JC5129 box (at least)
one is for the CUP
one is for the mk2 172
you can't put a cup gearbox onto a 172 for example, the speedo won't work
willy box from jones, brand new £600 12 months warranty!
iv been told sum1 on CS can get 1 for 500....cant remember who though ill av 2 find out agen lol
iv been quoted 450 for a recon on my gear box.....seems abit much 2 me wot do otheres think?
bump
any updates for information on this? surely there is a reasonably priced Reno or Volvo item we can use that is stronger than the Willy box... which when you put anything other than std power through it has a tendency to blow diffs... even a box with slightly longer or shorter ratios would be fine, it's not like most of us that want a stronger solution dont have the power to overcome this.
KingStromba
17-08-2005, 19:32
Sadev 6 speed sequential? I have mine on order.
be careful though, as there are 2 varitions of the JC5129 box (at least)
one is for the CUP
one is for the mk2 172
you can't put a cup gearbox onto a 172 for example, the speedo won't work
Don't you mean other way round the Cup has the speed sensor on it the 172 gets its speed input from the abs system.
I'm thinking though how come you cannot get an ABS sensor to run the speedo?
Sadev 6 speed sequential? I have mine on order.
How much have you been looking at paying?
The 172/182 box would be stronger but then there the speedo to fix.
Stromba in modified car shocker... although to coin a phrase "I can smell a lie like a fart in a car" :wink:
Edde, i think we are basically fooked for another cheap alternative, as surely someone would be using one and we'd have heard of it by now. Are the speedo voltages the same on them? I'm sure I remember being told it could be done and that was just one of what seemed many problems to overcome...
Jabba the...
17-08-2005, 20:28
hes sayin 2nd hand.
Edde, i think we are basically fooked for another cheap alternative, as surely someone would be using one and we'd have heard of it by now. Are the speedo voltages the same on them? I'm sure I remember being told it could be done and that was just one of what seemed many problems to overcome...
I think I'm going to get a Mk2 172 box very cheap (shorter ratios than other other choices) and see about fitting that when the engine comes out the car probably early next year.
VIPERONE
17-08-2005, 22:47
like i said, no speedo or speedo, stick an electrical one on! ie spa
Mark_Ritchspeed
17-08-2005, 23:10
Not having checked the 182 boxes my self, but surely if its a JC5 box but with an electrical output will it not be easy enough just to change the digital speedo drive to a mechanical one?
VIPERONE
18-08-2005, 00:36
i think the hole is non existant!
be careful though, as there are 2 varitions of the JC5129 box (at least)
one is for the CUP
one is for the mk2 172
you can't put a cup gearbox onto a 172 for example, the speedo won't work
Don't you mean other way round the Cup has the speed sensor on it the 172 gets its speed input from the abs system.
I'm thinking though how come you cannot get an ABS sensor to run the speedo?
no the cup has its own specific version of the JC5129
iv been lookin 4 a cheep gear box 4 about 2 weeks now!...which means my cars been in my garage 4 2 weeks :evil:
cant find any other solution!...the best thing is 2 run a willy gear box i think....the question is though do u buy a new gear box from J3ned or just recon mine????
goin 2 attempt 2 remove the gear box on sunday :twisted:
clowo16v
18-08-2005, 11:14
I built my gearbox cheaply, but only because I did it myself. Basically you want the gearbox off a Volvo 440/460/480. You then need to take it completely to bits, and fit new bearings/oil seals. You then need to build it back together with the Volvo diff fitted to the Clio Williams/16v bellhousing.
As I said if you can rebuild gearboxes yourself its easy, but if not it'd cost more than re-conning probably.
See ya
Matt
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