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Wobba
17-04-2011, 23:46
Thought some of you may be interested to see how I got on this weekend, fitting new inner track rods and new ends. I also fitted a new set of KW V2 suspension, in place of my AVO's.

The tyres go on next week onto my main set of wheels, whilst the trackday wheels will be soon shod with some scrubbed 888's:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0613.jpg

Saturday, car in the air, I take stuff apart. I suspected as much, but the MOT guy also said he thought there was play somewhere on the left hand side in the steering. He was right. You cant tell here, and the video I thought I took ****ed up, but there was play in the inner ball joint, which would translate to vague handling. Luckily, I had two new track rods and ends to hand :)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0615.jpg

Now, we all know what a total biatch inner rods can be to take off. This is because they are screwed in with a locking washer and there is no easy access. Fortunately, I have a special tool for this very thing:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0616.jpg

Basically, it grips the side and makes the other edges bite into it and turn it. This side was still pretty tough, but was still off in 5 mins. I did the other side easily in under a minute. I know some of you have struggled for hours with these ;)

A close up:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0617.jpg

Bish, bash, bosh:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0618.jpg

Old and new. You can waggle the old one about. Cant budge the new one at all by hand:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0619.jpg

So, on went the new one. The old gaiter on this side was fine, though I replaced the right hand one with a new rubber.

If you see here, there is a breather hole on both sides that goes into the gaiter:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0620.jpg

They have a pipe slotted into them. It can be bloody fiddly, but with a bit of patience and pressure, go on fine:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0621.jpg

I then fitted the front suspension. The new KW's are a nice piece of kit. THey have slotted top bolt holes, and although you can see them here with camber bolts fitted, I decided to remove these and just use OE bolts as there was TOO MUCH negative camber. There was so much I couldn't get the wheels on and the bolts were just complicating the set up, as they allowed for too much variation in the geometry. The slotted hole is enough.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0622.jpg

I love nice new parts :)

They worked fine straight off with the AST solid top mounts as well, as seen here with the new specially made top nuts Cliokongen sent me :) Thanks mate!

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/barneywobba/Suspension%202011/DSCF0623.jpg

I then went on to fit the rear Koni adjustable dampers. This is quite an easy job, made harder by KW's instructions for changing the damper settings being totally wrong!

I forgot though how hard it can be to get the right hand side lower bolt out of the rear damper on a lowered car flol...

So, I adjusted the toe as best I could without measuring tools and took the car for a spin.

It was a loooong spin. In fact, I had to go find petrol half way through.

All I can say is: fuk me!!! This really is becoming a proper sorted car now, what with the power, and now the handling in another league. The new handling is very nice, really direct now, it just makes the whole car feel more alert and really goading you into driving like a total tool. Front damping could probably be a tad firmer, though I've only got it on about half max damping rate currently, and it is a bit low as it is scrubbing the inner arch over bumps again hehe.

Really pleased. Hope you liked the pics.
Daz.
18-04-2011, 01:54
I like new parts too :D

Now go and cover those threads before the collars seize and you have to have them rebuilt like I do :evil:
dkrevs
18-04-2011, 07:50
:thumbsup:
cliokongen
18-04-2011, 08:43
Nice work Wobba.... YAY! :D
fab
18-04-2011, 11:39
Loads of questions not much time to ask..

Those advans are they the AD08's?

The konis where/much?

Whats the name of the tool to take the inner rods out?

Do you think you will be needing/should be considering a roll cage for safety reasons?
Wobba
18-04-2011, 11:49
I like new parts too :D

Now go and cover those threads before the collars seize and you have to have them rebuilt like I do :evil:

The collars are plastic, and the threads are resistant to corrosion. Will see how they go :)
Wobba
18-04-2011, 11:49
Nice work Wobba.... YAY! :D

Fanks!
Wobba
18-04-2011, 11:54
Loads of questions not much time to ask..

Those advans are they the AD08's?

The konis where/much?

Whats the name of the tool to take the inner rods out?

Do you think you will be needing/should be considering a roll cage for safety reasons?

They are AD08's.

The Koni rears are the yellow sports ones, type 26 I think? They come with the KW's as part of the kit.

The tool is called: Sealey Steering Rack Knuckle Joint Tool VS4000

Roll cage? Safety? More weight? Naaahhh! That's for people planning to crash :D
fab
18-04-2011, 12:16
Thats all the info I need right now :D

Nice work btw :wink:
Daz.
18-04-2011, 16:27
plastic! Wish mine were :(
Markic
19-04-2011, 09:16
Top stuff Wobba.

Tell me what's the difference between AVO's and KW V2 in ride comfort?
Is KW comfortable suspension? I want something I can use on shit Croatia roads.
Wobba
19-04-2011, 12:16
Hard to say. I not had the KW's long enough and they were set very low yesterday (raised them a bit last night) so were quite hard, plus the AVO's were running 350lb springs, so were hard.

I think if I raised the height and reduced the damping setting they would be fine for bad roads. They are not too bad at all as it is to be honest. They soak up bumps very well.

They have them helper springs, so for normal driving they soak up the minor bumps with the smaller set of springs.

I am loving them, cant wait to try them in hardcore mode :D
Laine_16v
19-04-2011, 13:54
Dont helper springs fully compress when the car is on its wheels? Only used to stop the springs moving about when the car is in the air (mot failure?)

But yeah very jealous i want those tyres NOW :(
Markic
19-04-2011, 16:38
Hard to say. I not had the KW's long enough and they were set very low yesterday (raised them a bit last night) so were quite hard, plus the AVO's were running 350lb springs, so were hard.

I think if I raised the height and reduced the damping setting they would be fine for bad roads. They are not too bad at all as it is to be honest. They soak up bumps very well.

They have them helper springs, so for normal driving they soak up the minor bumps with the smaller set of springs.

I am loving them, cant wait to try them in hardcore mode :D

Thanks mate.
Been looking at GAZ too, anyone has experience with them?
Wobba
19-04-2011, 18:36
I wouldn't use base GAZ. The GAZ golds are supposed to be much better though, but also a fair bit more cash.

I spoke with Oreca-store in France about their Bilsteins forn the Williams, and they conformed that had a set of B14's in stock left over, which I didn't think they could do!

Hello,

We can supply B14 suspension for your car:

530EURE03 KIT SUSP PSS B14 REN CLIO I 2.0 16S / WILLIAMS retail: 897.99€ + VAT

Lowering is 20/40, and we have one kit in stock. Shipment to UK (assuming it is your location) is 34€ + VAT.

Cordialement / Best Regards

Xavier DAUPHIN

Export Sales
ORECA Group - The Motorsport Company

Tél. : + 33 (0) 494 885 793
Fax. : + 33 (0) 494 328 001
http://www.oreca.fr/

They are height adjustable only, but to be honest, some of the best suspension coilovers I've tried to date have been fixed damping and lets face it, Bilstein are a bloody good name.
sideways danny
19-04-2011, 20:50
Dont helper springs fully compress when the car is on its wheels? Only used to stop the springs moving about when the car is in the air (mot failure?)

But yeah very jealous i want those tyres NOW :(

bit of misused terminology. Proper helper springs do as Wobba said and give a softer spring rate for a small part of travel, however the very soft springs that commonly come with a fair number of coilovers is as you say purely there just to hold the spring in place. Can't quite tell which these have, but I suspect it's the latter.
sideways danny
19-04-2011, 20:52
Been looking at GAZ too, anyone has experience with them?

garbage
Matty86
23-04-2011, 22:21
that track rod end tool.... mind = blown!

where did you get it from and how much?

same question for your track rods + ends 8)
Chadwick
23-04-2011, 22:42
Get your orders in Gents!

Cheers Wobba, top work too!

http://www.toolbox.co.uk/sealey-vs4000-steering-rack-7182-110599?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=GB&utm_campaign=GoogleBase
Matty86
23-04-2011, 22:47
:thumbsup:
wilky19
28-06-2011, 17:19
where did you get the inner track rods from