Stupid For Sale prices!

[Imperial_16v]

I had typed this out to post in to a For Sale thread for a Clio Williams at £6k asking price, but thought best not to ruin some poor sods thread.

I think I'm going to be on my own with this.... but here I go... this is what I wanted to say:-

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I don't want to be seen as joining any sort of flaming here, but I've seen a few Clio Williams cars for sale and the price is just ridiculous frankly. Sorry OP!

People wanting £3k+ for a car that is over 15 years old!

OK, it's a classic in some respects and a limited edition, which I can take in to consideration, but seriously, some people would think they are the bees knees! :P

Take a look at what, for this sale, £6k can get you on Piston Heads... a lot of far superior, faster and less troublesome cars for the money.

For perspective, I sold a 280bhp Supercharged 56 plate Fiesta ST, immaculate condition, just over 21k miles on the clock and it sold for not much more than you are asking.

Like I say, not a dig at any one particular person and sorry to have to vent in your for sale thread but I think some perspective is needed sometimes.

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So, really, do people think that some prices are just stupidly high? Or do people think it's fair?

Hope I ain't just opened a big can of worms here! :oops:

[MatrixGuy]

lol, you are right in some respects. They handle alot better than the modern hatches though and you get a better driving experience IMO.

On another note, mine is up for sale at £1650!! :lol:

[Imperial_16v]

lol, you are right in some respects. They handle alot better than the modern hatches though and you get a better driving experience IMO.

On another note, mine is up for sale at £1650!! :lol:

Lol this is not a thread for plugging cars for sale. :lol: How very dare you! :P

I have seen your Williams thread mate, and Ben's. :wink: Give me until June and I should have money ready to buy a nice Williams for myself... but I digress. 8)

[fab]

The worms you can keep for your fishing :P

This subject comes up time and time again.
The "market value" is written in the dealers handbooklet. Do you need to know the value?? GO ASK A DEALER! It is not classed as a classic car yet (as far as I know) therefore the market asking price is final.

As for people selling their cars, they are perfectly entitled to ask for whatever they feel they want/need for it. If they get their asking price so be it.
Are you going to begrudge them? No, because its none of your business!

Are you entitled to raise a topic on the matter? Absofookinloutley. :lol:

As far as my own view on value, There isnt. You can come here with a million quid in your pocket and you still wont get a look in. Why?
Because you cant buy LOVE :P

[Imperial_16v]

Because you cant buy LOVE :P


Can't really argue with that can I. :D

For me though, I feel that prices asking for more than £3k are crazy. I understand what you are saying, about people asking whatever they like, still doesn't mean that they are always right though. :)

It's those damn rose tinted Williams goggles. 8)

When does a car get classed as "classic" just out of interest?

I'm just bitter as I don't own one.... yet! And people selling them so expensively for their age is annoying me. lol.

[fab]

Its a tough one mate buying a used car especially a performance hatch. So many things can and do go wrong with them, especially on these old ladies :)
Then genuine reno parts aint the cheapest either.

I agree, you will get chancer's putting them up for sale at ridiculous prices but you are well informed to know better, thats why you are here and it is what you have to remember when you decide to buy:wink:

Hopefully the others can answer your question on classic status.

[Imperial_16v]

Its a tough one mate buying a used car especially a performance hatch. So many things can and do go wrong with them, especially on these old ladies :)
Then genuine reno parts aint the cheapest either.

I agree, you will get chancer's putting them up for sale at ridiculous prices but you are well informed to know better, thats why you are here and it is what you have to remember when you decide to buy:wink:

Hopefully the others can answer your question on classic status.

...old ladies. Bless 'em! lol :D

Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

[fab]

shite yeah that sounded a bit pervish :oops:
:lol:

[walters300]

i think the price is all down to us the enthusiast and availability, maybe in a few more years when the numbers come right down and dudes on here have more cash there may be higher prices, ultimately though the williams has been superceded by the 197 which in my opinion is a far better car from all angles, same as the clio replaced the 5, personally i think a perfect w1 with mega low miles and exceptional history and totally original would be worth money,anything else is what the buyer will pay. Thats my 5 pence worth :wink:

[fab]

thats a fair point Walters.

Ultimately the way I see it, when you part with your cash for any car, new or old thats it, the money is spent and the value is in what you do with the car.

When I look at mine I dont see dollar signs. Its the memories that are worth so much more to me. I'm sure some others feel the same.

And I had/drove supposedly far superior cars in my lifetime so far but none of them have come close to the feeling/emotion I get driving this car. But thats just my own view at this time in my life.

[walters300]

:wink: i wouldnt sell my w3 for 50k for the above reasons, but the harsh reality for others who dont cherish there cars and see them as normal cars and fret on the value is they have fallen from grace in the general market and only supply and demand will dictate the price, and supply far out weighs demand at the moment and many nice cars are forsale for months until the seller decides to say fk it and start it on ebay for 500 and see where it ends.

[scratabout1988]

what if every williams owner bumped the average price for the car up?

surely that would dictate the market, not by the dealers handbook?? :wink:

[Red_Dash]

My background is in classic vw's.
If you think that asking prices for some Williams are expensive then you need to take a look at what people will pay for an old volkswagen :o

This car is sat in the doldrums and is at the stage where it will eventually be a cult car and prices will rise, or it will just be seen as a old hot hatch that was pretty good in it's day but has now been surpassed by younger, more modern, and more technically accomplished rivals.

IMHO, I think it will be the latter. But I don't care. I've seen how the vw scene over the years has changed and a lot of cars that were cheap when I was younger are now ridiculously expensive. TBH, that's taken lot of the fun out of it for me so I hope it don't happen with the Williams.

However, if you have a good car then you'll want to get top dollar for it, and if it sells for that price...

[Coops]

frankly i think the fact it is old is irrelevant, its the mileage and history

if i bought a supercharged st fiesta for 6k or a mint williams for 6k i sure as hell know which i'd be happier in, but thats just me.

its exclusivity that also factors into it, there were only 400 odd right hand drive williams 1's made ever.....count the fiesta st's just in my area, s/c is a few squid to knock up so imo irrelavent. you don't buy a williams for outright performance you buy it because you love mk 1 clios and you love the 90's baby ;-)

i could ramble all night about why, but theres a reason for that and thats the unexplainable but, its feelings. if i had the money to burn i would pay more than the original RRP for a mint williams, if it was perfect i'd pay through the nose, i'd pay more than its worth 10 times over, but its all perspective, i dont have that kind of money so i wont. but i wont begrudge anyone asking what they want for what is frankly a soulful car.

and stuff ;-)

[16v_paddy]

As far as my own view on value, There isnt. You can come here with a million quid in your pocket and you still wont get a look in. Why?
Because you cant buy LOVE :P

Awesome! :D You've given me another activity to put on my list for when I win the lottery now :twisted:

[Yanoo_]

LoL mate. Please re-think (and re-type) your post.
For example: a mint Williams is more than £6.5k in Hungary.
If I bought an another Williams I would buy that in the UK.
UK Williams prices are funnily low. It's fact.

[Markic]

I was offered 8000€ for my Williams 1 in Croatia.
When I look at the Williams prices in the UK, it's funny...
In Croatia you will pay a good valver 3-4k €...

[Yanoo_]

Here's my friends AD:

http://www.hasznaltauto.hu/auto/renault/clio/renault_clio_16v_williams-4215666

As you see, it's price is 2.250.000 HUF, £7258 / 8219€. The car is in very good condition, Ph1, mint, s/n: 0441, regularly serviced, Mongoose cat-back system.

(this is the other mint Williams in Hungary, besides mine)

[robi1000]

Good Williams in France costs between 7-15000€. In Italy between 8-12000€... So about 10000+ pounds for a clean example. Clio Williams is seriously underpriced in UK. Not that I mind though... 8)

[2 live]

frankly i think the fact it is old is irrelevant, its the mileage and history

if i bought a supercharged st fiesta for 6k or a mint williams for 6k i sure as hell know which i'd be happier in, but thats just me.

its exclusivity that also factors into it, there were only 400 odd right hand drive williams 1's made ever.....count the fiesta st's just in my area, s/c is a few squid to knock up so imo irrelavent. you don't buy a williams for outright performance you buy it because you love mk 1 clios and you love the 90's baby ;-)

i could ramble all night about why, but theres a reason for that and thats the unexplainable but, its feelings. if i had the money to burn i would pay more than the original RRP for a mint williams, if it was perfect i'd pay through the nose, i'd pay more than its worth 10 times over, but its all perspective, i dont have that kind of money so i wont. but i wont begrudge anyone asking what they want for what is frankly a soulful car.

and stuff ;-)


beautiful......lol.


as above really. you can go out and buy festa st's, 197s, etc pretty much anywhere now. 10 a penny. for a williams tho?? 1200 or so altogether, probably lots less now. unreplaceable. how can you put a price on that??

[Markic]

Good Williams in France costs between 7-15000€. In Italy between 8-12000€... So about 10000+ pounds for a clean example. Williams clio is seriously underpriced in UK. Not that I mind though... 8)
Exactly. But all cars in the UK are cheap as chips.
MOT is quite expensive, so I guess that's the reason.
You will pay from 6 - 10k€ in EU for r5 gt turbo for example, and in the UK, you will buy it for 3 - 4k sterlings. You guys are bleesed with really great car prices, you just don't realize it, because you're used to it.

Like someone wrote before, I was in a dub world too, couple of years ago, and prices that people were asking, and getting for mk2 golf is just ridicolus.

And in my book, clean oem MK1 Williams (gold plated) is much more worth and is faster, better handling and everything (except build quality) than mk2 G60 golf where people put BBS RM's and ask 6 - 7 quid for them. It's really funny lol.

[djtlane]

I don't think prices reflect how good these cars are, I paid top-dollar for mine but it was still alot less than the receipts that came with it. I took an '89 Intergrale out this week, it was quick, but it rattled and coughed - glad to get back in the Clio. Think of the Clio as a car like the old Escort Mexico's, they rusted and were worth nothing - now it's a classic. I am going to look after and enjoy mine - it's just a superb drivers car.

[Markic]

I don't think prices reflect how good these cars are, I paid top-dollar for mine but it was still alot less than the receipts that came with it. I took an '89 Intergrale out this week, it was quick, but it rattled and coughed - glad to get back in the Clio. Think of the Clio as a car like the old Escort Mexico's, they rusted and were worth nothing - now it's a classic. I am going to look after and enjoy mine - it's just a superb drivers car.

I'll second that...

[bass_direct]

People wanting £3k+ for a car that is over 15 years old!



I wish ALL cars over 15 years old were £3k :P 8)

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1589431.htm

[volymmannen]

Good Williams in France costs between 7-15000€. In Italy between 8-12000€... So about 10000+ pounds for a clean example. Williams clio is seriously underpriced in UK. Not that I mind though... 8)
that's because the steering wheel is on the wrong side :D

[walters300]

jesus fkin thats a crazy price! About 150-250 clios!

[Candy Piper]

You sold your supercharged st for peanuts because people dont want to pay top dollar for chavved up boy racer crapola.

[Imperial_16v]

You sold your supercharged st for peanuts because people dont want to pay top dollar for chavved up boy racer crapola.

Oh dear. :roll:

[talkingfish]

As most people know on here, I own a fully restored concours winning Williams 1 that has had thousands spend on it to reach that standard. Now, you might argue I'm mad to spend that money if you think ultimately that car is only worth £3k maximum!

Now, to those that have a love of this car (of which there are many) they fully understand and appreciate the time, effort and money that has gone into the restoration. The insurers must agree to because it has and agreed value at the £6k you originally mention.

Yes, you can buy much more modern machinery that are safer, more roomy and faster. (we own a 197 whose value is getting dangerously close to that of the Williams!) But how many of those cars have that magic special ingredient that you get every time you take a Williams on a special drive?

The car is already a borderline classic and there is no doubt it will be a future classic. As with all things in life, something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. For fully restored or genuine low mileage examples figures in excess of £6k are totally realistic, even in this market.

[MatrixGuy]

As most people know on here, I own a fully restored concours winning Williams 1 that has had thousands spend on it to reach that standard. Now, you might argue I'm mad to spend that money if you think ultimately that car is only worth £3k maximum!

Now, to those that have a love of this car (of which there are many) they fully understand and appreciate the time, effort and money that has gone into the restoration. The insurers must agree to because it has and agreed value at the £6k you originally mention.

Yes, you can buy much more modern machinery that are safer, more roomy and faster. (we own a 197 whose value is getting dangerously close to that of the Williams!) But how many of those cars have that magic special ingredient that you get every time you take a Williams on a special drive?

The car is already a borderline classic and there is no doubt it will be a future classic. As with all things in life, something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. For fully restored or genuine low mileage examples figures in excess of £6k are totally realistic, even in this market.

Amen :)

[theweekendhaslanded]

As most people know on here, I own a fully restored concours winning Williams 1 that has had thousands spend on it to reach that standard. Now, you might argue I'm mad to spend that money if you think ultimately that car is only worth £3k maximum!

Now, to those that have a love of this car (of which there are many) they fully understand and appreciate the time, effort and money that has gone into the restoration. The insurers must agree to because it has and agreed value at the £6k you originally mention.

Yes, you can buy much more modern machinery that are safer, more roomy and faster. (we own a 197 whose value is getting dangerously close to that of the Williams!) But how many of those cars have that magic special ingredient that you get every time you take a Williams on a special drive?

The car is already a borderline classic and there is no doubt it will be a future classic. As with all things in life, something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. For fully restored or genuine low mileage examples figures in excess of £6k are totally realistic, even in this market.

Amen :)

I'll 3rd that!! Well said!