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summeh
01-08-2005, 18:37
u still selling the brake kits?

lemme know i want a set :D

BRUN
01-08-2005, 18:44
group buy ?....lol

i might have them too, price dependant

summeh
01-08-2005, 18:51
think they about 340 when u get 5 people or summat... i want um quick squick tho so aint gonna hang about for 4 other people to save just 10quid :)

Swervin_Mervin
01-08-2005, 19:08
While we're asking Mark stuff, what cage d'you have Mark, and how much was it? How much would you charge to fir one?

Finally how much would you charge to do a plated over sunroof ?

BRUN
01-08-2005, 19:10
actually, seeing as these kits dont include a set of discs, im probably gonna have to give it a miss

i dont go on the track so its probably overkill for me and id have to buy new discs which would push it past my budget really

richy
01-08-2005, 19:14
the wilwoods are def worth it, they was outstanding at anglesey

also i think mark said it was a 17 point safety devices?

Swervin_Mervin
01-08-2005, 19:15
I suspected it was Safety Devices.

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 21:33
Yep, still doing brakekits.

The entry level (same as mine, but stronger calipers) works out at £360 including delivery. This kit is designed for use with standard 259mm discs and comprises of :

Pair of Wilwood Dynalite forged calipers
Pair of high strength aluminium brackets
Pair of braided hoses (needs longer than standard)
Set of Wilwood Poly E pads (0-900 degrees F)
All fixings needed

The only extras are £10 more for Poly A pads (450-1300 degrees F) and if you want us to supply the discs they are £40.

280mm kit (using 172 discs) is now available at £390 when supplied without discs or another £50 on top again with discs.

If anyone wanted to arrange a group buy then the price would be £340 (delivered) and 3 sets would need to be ordered.


My cage is the 17 point Safety Devices cage and is not particularly cheap to buy or fit as its so labour intensive.

Fitting is by individual quotation only as there are so many variables as there is with the sunroof blanking plates.

Assuming we are supplied with a completely stripped interior (bar dash), then expect around £550-600 for the cage and between £250-380 for the roof depending on wether WRC style vent is wanted.

summeh
01-08-2005, 21:58
hio mark i want the 280mm kit wud this work well with brembo max discs ?

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:01
mark also... would the 280mm kit have extra clamping area, or are the calipers exactly the same? whats the diff ?

Lunner
01-08-2005, 22:04
Defo interested in a set of brakes, woudl be the 280mm also, and obvously supplying discs, presume the 280mm woudl fit under 15's

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:04
Are the Brembo Max discs grooved and/or drilled?

You will get a very slight increase in braking efficiency with the bigger disk, but not a massive amount as its the calipers and pads combination that is the biggest improvement.

The calipers are still the Dynalites, but are slightly wider to accomodate the 24mm wide 172 disc. (Willy discs are 21mm wide IIRC)

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:07
so 3mm extra wide clamping area, lol... might have to go for it, will be a styling thing aswell i guess...

the brembo max discs are grooved, and i think they are very good buy.

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:09
They fit directly under the Williams wheels and the majority of aftermarket rims as well.

We dont recommend any grooved discs, but they are Brembo so will "probably" be ok.

The strongest discs are still plain vented ones with no drilling or grooving.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:10
mark, i want this kit now (well within next 2 weeks), whats the availability?

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:11
hmm the grooved discs look good though :/ do u really think it'll effect braking mark? in a bad way.

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:13
We can get the kit to you within 7 working days of payment. Only Northy had to wait as his was the first 280mm kit. :roll:

Lunner
01-08-2005, 22:13
IMO grooved discs make very little or no braking difference, drilling holes, or putting groves in a disc also make it weaker, so wiht massive extremes of temperature, ir very hot and then cold they are more prone to cracking.

Think i have that right, correct me if i'm wrong mark

richy
01-08-2005, 22:14
i have the std size disc kit , which i got off mark, never had a problem and tbh didnt need 280mm discs!! was outbraking a caterham at anglesey lol :)

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:18
Both spot on. I dislike anything other than plain vented discs as its just unecessarily weakening the discs.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:20
mark, are they brembo discs u supply then for the extra 50quid ?

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:23
mark, how many ppl do we need for a discount etc? :D

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:32
We only do small discounts, as the kits are frigging cheap to start with. But 3 people would be needed for around £20 off a kit.

We supply a few different makes of discs with the kits. Ferodo, Maxtorque (Rally design), Bremtech and Unipart. For those that dont know Brembo make the majority of Unipart discs, including the Willy and 172 ones.

On the other hand, these brakes are so easy on discs, it really doesnt matter what ones you put on there as long as they are round and true. My Bremtech ones at the moment have done 3 trackdays, 4 rallies and around 2000 miles of hard road use and still look like new. I used to change front discs at least after every trackday (sometimes during the day) using original calipers.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:32
fk it, mark wots ure contact details i will ring u sometime this week to order, maybe tomorrow if i can.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:34
i'll post a group buy thread and see who's interested.

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:39
Contact details are

sales@ritchspeed-imports.com
01970 871092

I flick between the office and workshop and if needed my mobile is 07810 423974.

Cheers
Mark

p.s They will fit any mk1 Clio or 19 so if you know anyone with one of those it may be worth a try for a group buy.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:39
ok mate, best to speak with u when ordering?

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:40
group buy thread: http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4633

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:41
Yeh probably, but if you phone the office first, just leave me a number to get back to you on and I'll get back same day.

summeh
01-08-2005, 22:42
ok mate :D need um quick cuz im on hols last 2 weeks of august before the sprint day and ive also got a nitrous kit to fit before then, lol :D

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-08-2005, 22:46
ok mate :D need um quick cuz im on hols last 2 weeks of august before the sprint day and ive also got a nitrous kit to fit before then, lol :D

Nitrous?

Anybody cuaght using Nitrous at the Sprint day will be banned in case they are quicker than me. :twisted:

summeh
01-08-2005, 23:23
yeh got the stuff all sitting here progressive controller included, all waiting to go in.

Just no time as typically before a holiday there is always a big deadline, so i'll be working overtime and no time on car to fit everything :(

BRUN
02-08-2005, 10:41
im very tempted by the brake kit, i know its cheap for what it is but i wish it was cheaper !

Lunner
02-08-2005, 10:44
im very tempted by the brake kit, i know its cheap for what it is but i wish it was cheaper !

Ditto, expect i'll end up getting it at some point, but i really can't justify spending £440 for hte 280mm kit when i don't actually have that money to start with

BRUN
02-08-2005, 10:45
me either really

Swervin_Mervin
02-08-2005, 11:02
You got any recommendations for a less expensive cage option then Mark?

Mark_Ritchspeed
02-08-2005, 13:54
The best budget 6 point cages are the Safety Devices, then Sparco, then OMP. In that order IMO.

Custom Cages are also very good, but the car will be gone for quite a while as they build the cage into the car. Not cheap at all though.

Swervin_Mervin
02-08-2005, 13:57
A 6 pointer would be fine for a trackday slag though yeah? And is there a minimum requirement for motorsport use?

Mark_Ritchspeed
02-08-2005, 14:13
A 6 pointer will be fine for trackdays and for 90% of Clubman motorsport use. I only went for the full 17 point FIA cage as I decided very early on to build all the safety items to FIA spec, so come resale time it could be easily converted for almost any other form of motorsport.

Swervin_Mervin
02-08-2005, 14:25
Schweet. My AX slag plans have been screwed up and cobbed out the window. I want a hybrid slag for trackdays next year!

BRUN
02-08-2005, 18:34
Mark, without using your 4 pot kit, for someone on a budget what brakes would you suggest, no track days will be done on em

Mark_Ritchspeed
02-08-2005, 18:43
I personally found the Tarox rally pads pretty good, followed by Ferodo DS2500's and Mintex 1155's. They are all not far off £100 a set of pads though.

But then, its possible that in the last 3-4 years something better has come out, but I gave up on iron single pot calipers many moons ago. Threw too much money at them before realising it was all a wasted exercise.

For road use though, one of the above should be pretty good.

richy
02-08-2005, 19:12
brun i use to run the mintex 1144 pads and brembo discs with braided hoses before i got the 4pots, didnt really have a problem with them on the road, never tryed on track though

summeh
02-08-2005, 20:12
brun, im running mintex m1144's and brembo max at the mo... seems pretty good.

Lunner
02-08-2005, 23:01
Well i'm running pagid fats road pads, std lines and std brembo discs, never had a problem on the road, my car can ****ing stop on a dime, and aroudn the track never really had a problem wiht being outbraked, if anythign i was braking later then most other people there.

Done anglesey and bruntingthorpe on them and never had any problems wiht fade at either, at bruntingthorpew i was out for a good 20 mins at a time wiht no probs

BRUN
03-08-2005, 01:33
ive used the TarOx rally pads before and they need too much warming up for me, the 1144's would suit me better than the 1155's.......

i guess our braking requirements are totally different mark, ask 2live how i drive and you will get the idea lol

from what ive read online im gonna get some brembo max discs tomorrow, and probably the pagid pads as i can get them cheaper than the Mintex i think, and the 1144's are an old compound now, been goin ages and ages

Mark_Ritchspeed
03-08-2005, 08:55
Anglesey and Brunters are both very easy on the brakes. I could have done with the Poly E's on mine instead of the Poly A's as it was taking about 7-8 laps before the front pads were getting any temp into them.

Donnington is a completely different place though and much harder on the brakes.

Swervin_Mervin
03-08-2005, 10:30
Brun, I've been using the DS2500s for 12months now and they're superb. It was between them and the Mintex for me but the DS2500s were easier to get hold of. Think they've renamed them all now though so you'd have to check, but I think they're about £50 a set.