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i am having a real big headache about this since i saw
110 degrees celcius at castle combe action day on a 15 minute
session .
so what are you regular track hoes out there using to keep the
engine temperatures low on track ?
oil coolers ? alloy race radiators etc ??
my oil temps used to be really high till i fitted an oil cooler
I am concerned about this too, as my car will be travelling faster due to more power this year and I don't want a repeat of last year with a buggered bottom end.
I saw 120 last year in my car just before it went bang.
get a oil cooler and relocate the filter at the same time.
Gaz has all the details of what he did somewhere on here
get a oil cooler and relocate the filter at the same time.
Gaz has all the details of what he did somewhere on here
makes ,sizes and where to get them cheapest for a f7p/r
would be great info :D
diathermy
26-02-2010, 13:39
I am a little confused with regards to the oil cooler.....do williams have these fitted as standard?
if not, how much are they and are they easy to install?
Some have a coolant cooled oil cooler, but when the coolant is hot trying to cool hot oil....you get the idea.
These we are on about is an extra little radiator which the oil flows through.
You can see mine under the number plate
i have the mocal oil cooler set up, has the thermostatic valve in the filter sandwhich so it doesnt cirulate all the time
helps massively on track as before i was hitting really high temps on a hot day and now its always below 100, although tbh i cant remember exact figures now as i havent used the car for abit lol
so what are you regular track hoes out there using to keep the engine temperatures low on track ?
Snow.
robi1000
26-02-2010, 21:53
Buy my Gr.A maxi bonnet vent! :P
http://www.wise4living.com/hgblower/images/yardman.jpg
i have the mocal oil cooler set up, has the thermostatic valve in the filter sandwhich so it doesnt cirulate all the time
helps massively on track as before i was hitting really high temps on a hot day and now its always below 100, although tbh i cant remember exact figures now as i havent used the car for abit lol
my car never heats up whatever i do on the road its them max revving
at every gear on the track that makes it heat like that imo .
what size cooler/rows are you using ?? any pics ? links to
where to buy the complete cooler setup from cheapest ? :P
mine is a 13row cooler, iirc its 230mm x 100mm and about 50mm deep
for the full mocal kit it was just under £150, no idea how much they are now though
mine is a 13row cooler, iirc its 230mm x 100mm and about 50mm deep
for the full mocal kit it was just under £150, no idea how much they are now though
around that price on ebay when you add the thermostat etc .
do you reckon its worth upgrading to a 16 or 19 row for better cooling ?
also whats the deal with filter relocation kits ? is it for the ease
of oil filter changes on a clio (lack of space) ? or does it help
cooling etc somehow ??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLIO-1-8-16V-WILLIAMS-172-SPORT-2-0-CUP-OIL-COOLER-KIT_W0QQitemZ400103847295QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5d280c357f
13row is more then adequate to bring the temps down on track, i think and bigger and it would be to much cooling.
the filter relocation is mainly for easy access, obviously would also have more oil in the system with it, same as with the cooler
Brealbags
27-02-2010, 00:22
i asked the same question on C16v and some people have found that the oil ends up been over cool when used on the road with the oil cooler kit fitted.
i asked the same question on C16v and some people have found that the oil ends up been over cool when used on the road with the oil cooler kit fitted.
thats the whole idea about using the thermostat though is it not ?
to keep the engine temperatures low on track ?
Remove the bonnet, or cut big holes on it. Exhaust wrap the manifold.
Is the heat transferring from oil to water properly? ie: Does the water gauge also go sky high whenever the oil temperature is running very hot? It should do that. But if the water gauge don't move up much, the water cooling system might not be working at its best.
busterhymes
27-02-2010, 10:08
i asked the same question on C16v and some people have found that the oil ends up been over cool when used on the road with the oil cooler kit fitted.
thats the whole idea about using the thermostat though is it not ?
thats exactly it m8, think thermostat opens once oil temp reaches 80 degrees
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/OIL-COOLERS/c2267/index.html?osCsid=b3f701751bf275fb13fc238bdc60becc
have a look at above website give you plenty of info and options
PS have a word with Kyle(cooper) when he bought 0144 i gave him a load of spares there was a Mocal cooler, pipework and thermostat included he might consider selling :wink:
i asked the same question on C16v and some people have found that the oil ends up been over cool when used on the road with the oil cooler kit fitted.
thats the whole idea about using the thermostat though is it not ?
thats exactly it m8, think thermostat opens once oil temp reaches 80 degrees
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/OIL-COOLERS/c2267/index.html?osCsid=b3f701751bf275fb13fc238bdc60becc
have a look at above website give you plenty of info and options
PS have a word with Kyle(cooper) when he bought 0144 i gave him a load of spares there was a Mocal cooler, pipework and thermostat included he might consider selling :wink:
will do thanks :D
also is there any point in using an alloy race radiator or
something larger than the standard rads out there ?
anything of the shelf out there ? :?:
i asked the same question on C16v and some people have found that the oil ends up been over cool when used on the road with the oil cooler kit fitted.
thats the whole idea about using the thermostat though is it not ?
thats exactly it m8, think thermostat opens once oil temp reaches 80 degrees
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/OIL-COOLERS/c2267/index.html?osCsid=b3f701751bf275fb13fc238bdc60becc
have a look at above website give you plenty of info and options
PS have a word with Kyle(cooper) when he bought 0144 i gave him a load of spares there was a Mocal cooler, pipework and thermostat included he might consider selling :wink:
i forgot all about that mate lol.
i mite be interested in selling it shak, you hav pm.
Brealbags
27-02-2010, 19:32
yes i understand the function of the thermostat but somebody said that even with the stat fitted, it was still over cool. Not sure why. Maybe it was stuck open
yes i understand the function of the thermostat but somebody said that even with the stat fitted, it was still over cool. Not sure why. Maybe it was stuck open
yeah probably stuck open
same as a coolant system thermostat really .
It's mentioned above that the thermostat opens at 80 degrees C? Now personally i don't class my car as being properly warmed up until it reaches at least 80. So if it open at 80, the temp is gonna drop down to say 60 or so. Hence the oil is not up to temp.
Why they didn't give people the option of different thermostats i don't know. I'd like one that opened at 100 instead. Then it would nicely bring the temp back down to what i consider normal.
Brealbags
11-03-2010, 23:03
i think 100 is more like operating temp for the oil. Not sure what the optimum is though depends on the oil i suppose
It's mentioned above that the thermostat opens at 80 degrees C? Now personally i don't class my car as being properly warmed up until it reaches at least 80. So if it open at 80, the temp is gonna drop down to say 60 or so. Hence the oil is not up to temp.
80 degress is probably when it starts opening .
if it starts opening at 80 degrees it should never drop the temps
to 60 degrees as the stat would be shut well before that .
on the other hand even with the cooler you will probably
be running 95-100 degrees on a track day while engine is
being high revved at all times.
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