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Wobba
13-01-2010, 00:04
RIGHT!

So soon after the AST top mount group buy comes another fine money saving offer from the Wobba!

In conjunction with Cliosport and Gripper Differentials Ltd comes an offer I know many of you are interested in, especially you hard track day peeps who are fed up of your inside wheel spinning up under power on those pesky tight bends or losing grip in the rain and recent snow :)

Some of you may have some questions, but before I go into that I'd like to state the cost, as this will be the main prohibiting factor with many of you.

Diff: £605
OE Crown wheel work & fitting: £150
Special bolt on crown wheel kit with a choice of ratios 14/60, 13/59 or 12/63: £430.00
Friction welded (-10mm, Guaranteed unbreakable) driveshaft: £30
Fitting to gearbox: £185

The above DOES NOT INCLUDE 17.5% VAT

So, for me this will cost a basic outlay of £887.13 Inc VAT not including delivery. Personally my diff will get fitted elsewhere, but I want Gripper to modify the Crown Wheel as it will minimise problems with liability should it go wrong.

I won't go into major technical details, or attempt to use fancy words to market this group buy as it really is for people who know what they want already and it is a fairly hardcore spec conversion. If you are interested but don't know that much you can look at my newbie thread HERE (http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36295) or google for info.

The crown wheel mod that needs to be done (unless you are a truly loopy individual and buy a bolt on crown wheel to allow you to easily change gear ratios!) to fit the diff. The suppliers are not the only specialists that could do this mod but I would advise it. The turnaround for the work needed is 24-48 hours.

The driveshaft work may not be necessary, and it may be possible to run a valver passenger shaft instead. However, the new sits to the left more in the gearbox housing and for a Williams (with widetrack) will likely need 10mm of shaft to be removed. This is done using friction welding, and is guaranteed by them to never break. Turnaround for this job is 24 hours.

The reason we are doing this with Cliosport is because I was informed they are also putting forward a group buy at about the same time, so it makes sense to join forces.

Normally, the diff itself is £650 plus VAT not £605. It's possible we could get a slightly better discount, I will keep you posted.

Useful links for this GB are as follows:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=461083

http://www.racecar.co.uk/gripper/

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=415879&highlight=gripper&page=1

Wobba
13-01-2010, 00:06
1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5.
6.

Wobba
20-01-2010, 19:17
Probably going to order my diff soon, £605 plus VAT by itself.

Will get the rest of the work done in a couple of months probably.

stevie_b
21-01-2010, 10:35
1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5. stevie_b - LSD and ?
6.

Count me in please Wobba. I tried to locate stand E666 where Gripper apparently were at the Autosport show so I could have a good chat with them about the group buy but to no avail. Thinking about it now perhaps they only turned up on the trade days on Thurs/Friday?

If I went for the bolt on crown wheel how easy is it to actually change to the different ratios? Do the diffs have to come off the car to do it? I presume each of the different ratios then have to be bought separately - any idea how much each of those are?

Twincam
21-01-2010, 11:39
1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5. stevie_b - LSD and ?
6.

Count me in please Wobba. I tried to locate stand E666 where Gripper apparently were at the Autosport show so I could have a good chat with them about the group buy but to no avail. Thinking about it now perhaps they only turned up on the trade days on Thurs/Friday?

If I went for the bolt on crown wheel how easy is it to actually change to the different ratios? Do the diffs have to come off the car to do it? I presume each of the different ratios then have to be bought separately - any idea how much each of those are?

If you could get a better price still on the one above Wobba im in

The prices you'v got are trade prices which he was offering at the show like Evogone was saying in a previous thread

He was also saying they are developing a dogbox (the last gear was being machiined on the friday) and even mentioned a 6th gear so be worth keeping an eye on if your in the market for a competion box

Stevie_b you will need to strip the box down to change the ratios the crown wheel needs changing along with the pinion

Richard

stevie_b
21-01-2010, 12:33
Cheers Richard.

Wobba - stick me down for the OE CW/P mod as well then please - although it will be used in competition I know I won't often get the time to be stripping it to swap the ratios so may as well go with the OE and cheaper option :lol:

1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5. stevie_b - LSD and OE CW/P (WC member)
6.

Wobba
21-01-2010, 13:25
Stevie, I'll put you down over on the CS gb thread. Bet to ask others about ratios and swapping cogs etc as that's too specialist for me I am afraid! The rally guys can help :) A couple of the CS buyers have rally cars as well. OE CW for now though right?

Twincam, yea I realise the prices could be lower but right now it's kinda out of my hands with that as the CS people are mainly handling it. I'll keep asking though!

6 speed 'box? Ooooh hehe!

Twincam
21-01-2010, 13:58
Although you have the option to chop and change ratios, the main reason is to gear down the orginal ratios

The current gear set is very good for things like cruising down the motorway but when competing (dependent on the event or tracks) you'l never top out in 5th gear (unless you race on long motorways or have massive HP)

Best thing to do is see what your max hp is at what revs and what your rev limit is set to then you work out what speeds you'l hit with the different ratios

The car im building is going to be mainly used on tarmac stage events and the odd track day. So il doubt il need it to exceed 120mph and so il get the right ratio to suit

I wont then bother changing it until I can stretch to a dog box :wink:

Add me to the list then Wobba, might as well see with a few more people it might get the price down abit more

1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5. stevie_b - LSD and OE CW/P (WC member)
6. Twincam - LSD and bolted ratio (WC & CS member)

Richard

Twincam
21-01-2010, 13:59
Il have it fitted by them as well :D

Damn no edit button :(

Wobba
21-01-2010, 14:04
I will have it fitted by them as well :D

Damn no edit button :(

Ok dude! Cheers! I will make more enquiries on CS.

The link if anyone cant be arsed to look is here again:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=461083


1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS member)
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p (CS & WC member)
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and ? (CS member)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P (CS & WC member)
5. stevie_b - LSD and OE CW/P (WC member)
6. Twincam - LSD and bolted ratio + fitting (WC & CS member)

Wobba
21-01-2010, 20:45
From Cliosport:

'Well the original group buy was based on 5+ people anyway so 6 or 7 people (who haven't paid yet) isn't exactly bumping the numbers up much, if we get a couple more I'll push for some more discount. Please stop using that list also as it is wrong, Chris 480bhp is not now in the group buy. Correct list is

1. Russ Rallye - Lsd and oe cw/p
2. Beaniemoo - Lsd and oe cw/p
3. Shiftspark - Lsd and o/e cw/p (budget pending!)
4. Wobba - LSD & OE CW/P
5. stevie_b - LSD and OE CW/P (WC member)
6. Twincam - LSD and bolted ratio + fitting (WC & CS member)

I'll pass the technical q's on to gripper re. the different ratio fitment and costs.
Russ'

Wobba
29-01-2010, 11:34
Orders will be placed early Feb guys so time is almost up!

Wobba
09-02-2010, 13:43
Just to let WC people know: The GB on CS is annoying me now as it is taking far too long.

I may just take the group buy over and do it myself THIS WEEK, if so please support me on CS as they seem a rather grim overly serious lot on the whole!

Cheers

Wobba.

stevie_b
09-02-2010, 14:30
Sorry, don't have access to CS Wobba but you can count on me for whatever route you go :wink:

Wobba
03-03-2010, 23:47
Right everyone i've spoke to John at gripper today and he's saying the diffs will be ready to ship out on the 12th march. Can everyone pm me that you are 100% going ahead with this and what you are doing regarding the crownwheel, whether its oe or the bolted interchangable option. Also wobba, can you confirm for the williams clio memeber too please, Twincam is it? Thanks
Russ


The quote from above is a PM regarding the Diff's. I'll PM you Stevie.

Wobba
10-03-2010, 12:31
Russ Rallye MUST be contacted ASAP as this is now going ahead and payments are being taken at the end of the week/Monday next week.

Five of us currently in the group buy.

stevie_b
11-03-2010, 14:19
Cheers Wobba. I spoke to John at Gripper yesterday. They are sending a courier to collect the box and driveshaft today. Going to get them to recon the box too whilst they are at it. I presume I pay the monies direct to Gripper rather than via Russ or anything?

Wobba
11-03-2010, 23:04
Cheers Wobba. I spoke to John at Gripper yesterday. They are sending a courier to collect the box and driveshaft today. Going to get them to recon the box too whilst they are at it. I presume I pay the monies direct to Gripper rather than via Russ or anything?

Best speak to Russ, I am not sure. I imagine so though.

Beaniemoo
25-03-2010, 18:57
Right chaps, I rang today and spoke to John to see if my crown wheel is ready and he told me that they won't start machining them until they're all there and can do them all in one go but unforunately they've only received mine and one other so far. How is everyone getting on with getting they're crown wheels to them as he's said that the group buy won't be open forever so we really need to get them sorted. I'm dying to get my hands on my diff now!

stevie_b
25-03-2010, 20:32
He told me yesterday that he's doing mine on Monday/Tuesday, after he has finished the 'Danish one'. Since you are not Danish I'm assuming that there are at least 3 boxes there now :lol: Have you already sent yours to them Dan? At the moment my engine installation is held up by a missing sump (have a Willy one, need a F7R-714 or 172/182 one) but as soon as that's sorted I need the box back pronto to finally get the car finished.

cliokongen
25-03-2010, 21:22
He told me yesterday that he's doing mine on Monday/Tuesday, after he has finished the 'Danish one'. Since you are not Danish I'm assuming that there are at least 3 boxes there now :lol: Have you already sent yours to them Dan? At the moment my engine installation is held up by a missing sump (have a Willy one, need a F7R-714 or 172/182 one) but as soon as that's sorted I need the box back pronto to finally get the car finished.

That will be my box then...
My box has been there for ages now :-)
John might be a littlke tired of me i guess. I'm calling him a least once a week! :)
Hope i will have it soon - firsk track day is getting closer!

Michael

stevie_b
25-03-2010, 21:25
I did think of you when he said 'Danish' but then didn't see you on the group buy list so thought maybe not - I didn't realise you pre-dated us :D Hopefully the group buy ones will speed yours along now. Do you have another box in the car to be able to use it at the moment?

cliokongen
25-03-2010, 21:57
They had my box well before the Autosport show.

Bought a JC5 of Coops - Yozza collected it from Coops - Then Fred from BTM Performance dropped it of at Gripper.

Car is on axlestands at the moment with my std. box fitted.
Lots of mods taking place at the moment... :D
But actually only waiting for that box!
Can't bloody wait!!!! :D

Michael

Beaniemoo
25-03-2010, 22:51
So are we saying john has 3 of the crown wheels for this now?

cliokongen
31-03-2010, 12:47
I'm still waiting............ :? Aaarrggghhh...

What about you guys in the group buy - are you also still waiting?

stevie_b
31-03-2010, 19:36
Yes, we are all still waiting I'm afraid, as far as I know (Wobba is for sure). I called John at Gripper yesterday as he had previously said my box would be ready to be sent back to go on the car on Tuesday, but when I called he said that they decided that they should get a larger retaining pin machined so that the boxes/diffs are stronger. Whilst that sounds like a worthwhile improvement he did say that it would probably mean it would be another two weeks before the diffs are installed and the boxes sent out!

Wobba
06-04-2010, 12:16
Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing why my diff isn't ready. I've been on standby to have my car taken to bits for weeks, and now it IS in bits and they delay AGAIN. I am smelling bullshit. he told me they would have the diffs worked on by tomorrow. More bollocks I am guessing.

Wobba
06-04-2010, 14:54
Right:

All crown wheels MUST be at Gripper by Friday at the very latest, sooner is better. If you are a late comer and want to know information like prices and diff options please read the posts that Russ and others have already made.

He has Steve's.
He has Wobba's.
He has Russ's.
He has Chris's.
Twincam is having a bolt on.

He was under the impression they only had three there, made him check there and then and found another one to be machined (mine ). He agreed to start the machining today as they have the minimum of 5 and crack open Stevies box as well.

They are awaiting a couple of cogs, which should arrive tomorrow.

There is at least one other 'box there from an F7R awaiting finishing, ClioKongen's from Denmark. I believe they will do his at the same time (his has been there 3 months for some work and the diff, so he will be relieved!).

The first finished products will be ready on Friday and Monday, probably collected by courier the next day. I imagine first deliveries will be seen on Wednesday next week.

Once your item is ready to be shipped, Gripper will contact you using the contact details you put in with the parts you sent to COLLECT CARD DETAILS FOR FINAL PAYMENT.

Have your Debit/Credit card on you at all times. Eating, sleeping, bathing...make sure that phone and card is with you at all times or it may mean further delays

Dan/Wobba.

Wobba
09-04-2010, 18:58
Diffs should be sent to us next week. Expect a call from Gripper for your money!

stevie_b
12-04-2010, 12:21
Cheers Dan. I'm out of the country at the moment so they won't be able to reach me. If you happen to be speaking to them and could remind them of my conversation with them before I left I will call them when I return on Friday to pay if they have already finished it by then.

Wobba
12-04-2010, 12:59
Cheers Dan. I'm out of the country at the moment so they won't be able to reach me. If you happen to be speaking to them and could remind them of my conversation with them before I left I will call them when I return on Friday to pay if they have already finished it by then.

KO!! :)

robi1000
12-04-2010, 15:19
Knockout? :lol:

stevie_b
13-04-2010, 01:24
Maybe he means they will have flogged my diff and box on to someone else in my absence?!?! :shock: That would KO me upon my return :D

Wobba
14-04-2010, 14:58
Well, today was the latest time they could call us and send out diffs based on John's promises last week, and I was being generous with time saying Wednesday...

The hold-up now is one of their machinists has been off sick.

cliokongen
14-04-2010, 17:09
Hmm... What a surprise.... :?

I'll just wave good bye to my Ring trip....

Wobba
15-04-2010, 14:15
Hmm... What a surprise.... :?

I'll just wave good bye to my Ring trip....

Their machinist is now back at work.

They are machining the crown wheels as we speak. Hopefully most will be out the door tomorrow or Monday.

cliokongen
15-04-2010, 14:43
Hmm... What a surprise.... :?

I'll just wave good bye to my Ring trip....

Their machinist is now back at work.

They are machining the crown wheels as we speak. Hopefully most will be out the door tomorrow or Monday.

No wonder he was off sick - he has been machining those crown wheels constantly for a month.... Everybody needs a break sometimes! :D

Wobba
16-04-2010, 17:40
Well, they told me they had just about finished one yesterday and Russ's would be out the door yesterday or today at THE VERY LATEST (heard this line so many times...).

Mine was due to be today as well.

They've not done them.

cliokongen
16-04-2010, 19:40
Let's wait until they call us individually to confirm the order - and then cancel...
I'm tempted.... :x

On the other hand...
I need that gearbox...

Wobba
16-04-2010, 19:42
Let's wait until they call us individually to confirm the order - and then cancel...
I'm tempted.... :x

On the other hand...
I need that gearbox...

I feel your frustration mate, I really do. This is simply taking the absolute piss now and yours has been sat there longer than mine by far.

Wobba
19-04-2010, 17:11
Right...lol...another update...

Crown wheels are all done.

Need gears welding now, a short job apparently. Will all be done tomorrow.

Roger, who dealt with me this time, promised he would call me tomorrow to pay and send the diff tomorrow, along with all yours...hopefully.

Will be great if it happens as we've all been so very patient, but let's not hold our breaths.

cliokongen
19-04-2010, 20:30
Well - let see...
1 normal year is approximately 7 dog years...
1 normal day is approximately 7++ days for Gripper...

If I do hold my breath - please call 911 when i turn blue...

Michael

Wobba
19-04-2010, 21:48
Well - let see...
1 normal year is approximately 7 dog years...
1 normal day is approximately 7++ days for Gripper...

If I do hold my breath - please call 911 when i turn blue...

Michael

Yes mate I know, I am really very very pissed it's taken so long as well.

Let's just hope it is all worth it in the end eh?

I spoke this time to Nigel, not spoken to him before. He could tell I was really anxious to get this done asap and rather than feed me a load of crap just said they'd been really really busy and they were sorry.

I decided to go for one for probably the same reasons as you...small car...big power...need a diff lol. Hopefully give the little Clio the edge on a lot of other cars, new or old!

Wobba
20-04-2010, 15:57
Michael

Your box is finished!! Should be ringing you any time now to pay.

Mine is finished and paid for and is about to be collected by courier.

Stevie_B yours is the only unfinished one. It's all ready to go and will be done as quick as poss hopefully. Please if you read this update me on your situation in Hong Kong and email Gripper so they can work something out re: delivery and payment.

Good luck all!

Yay!!!!!


:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

cliokongen
20-04-2010, 16:01
Just spoken to Gripper,

Succes - my gearbox is shipped tomorrow.
I hope... At least they got all my credit card information so fingers crossed.

Normally they ship to europe using air freight...
That might be a problem.... Damn that volcanic cloud...

Michael

Wobba
20-04-2010, 17:42
If it goes by air...yea there may be a slight delay...but Stevie B is stuck too! In HONG KONG ffs!

stevie_b
21-04-2010, 04:53
Many thanks for chasing up for me Dan - you're a star. I've mailed them to tell them to finish it asap so the car can go back together and I'll mail them my payment details.

My situation is much the same - wife, 2 kids and I stuck here in Hong Kong. We were supposed to fly out on Thursday evening and be back in UK 5am Friday but Virgin are now saying the first flight back they can put us on is 4th May! I hear that Heathrow has now just reopened though so hopefully when planes get moving again we can get an earlier flight due to a cancellation or we might just get a refund on the Virgin ticket and try to rebook with another airline if it gets us back sooner, but there are people here flying with Cathay, Emirates, etc. that all have May dates too, so I'm not sure how much luck we would have with that plan.

Purple
21-04-2010, 05:21
My situation is much the same - wife, 2 kids and I stuck here in Hong Kong.
Hope you are not sleeping rough in Lantau airport. I don't know anyone well enough in HK to call to bunk you in, but let me know if I can help you from Singapore. At least they have great tim sum there.

cliokongen
21-04-2010, 08:38
Many thanks for chasing up for me Dan - you're a star. I've mailed them to tell them to finish it asap so the car can go back together and I'll mail them my payment details.

My situation is much the same - wife, 2 kids and I stuck here in Hong Kong. We were supposed to fly out on Thursday evening and be back in UK 5am Friday but Virgin are now saying the first flight back they can put us on is 4th May! I hear that Heathrow has now just reopened though so hopefully when planes get moving again we can get an earlier flight due to a cancellation or we might just get a refund on the Virgin ticket and try to rebook with another airline if it gets us back sooner, but there are people here flying with Cathay, Emirates, etc. that all have May dates too, so I'm not sure how much luck we would have with that plan.

Ohh... thats bad...
Hopefylly the airspace will open as soon as possible.

Michael

stevie_b
22-04-2010, 09:05
Hope you are not sleeping rough in Lantau airport. I don't know anyone well enough in HK to call to bunk you in, but let me know if I can help you from Singapore. At least they have great tim sum there.

Thanks for the offer. I used to live here (on Lantau for a year of it in fact, before the airport was ever there) so know a few people if we were really stuck. However, Virgin have been kind enough to provide a hotel after an initial 'discussion' in the airport at 1am aftr the flight was cancelled and they said we were on our own :shock: - so we are not too badly off apart from just really wanting to get back home now.

stevie_b
22-04-2010, 09:08
BTW, did John mention to you that they have changed the design and so it no longer needs the driveshaft shortening? Sounds a good improvement as it saves the 150 quid to get it friction welded now, I presume!

cliokongen
22-04-2010, 10:44
Yes he did mention that....
Thats a great improvement!

Btw - my GB is still at Gripper.....

Wobba
22-04-2010, 14:11
Yes he did mention that....
Thats a great improvement!

Btw - my GB is still at Gripper.....

Argh! tell them to sort itttt!! Can I help in anyway with calls etc or are you on the case?

Good luck Stevie, and no probs mate :)

cliokongen
23-04-2010, 08:47
Yes he did mention that....
Thats a great improvement!

Btw - my GB is still at Gripper.....

Argh! tell them to sort itttt!! Can I help in anyway with calls etc or are you on the case?

Good luck Stevie, and no probs mate :)

I did Mr. Wobba...
They promised to ship it today!
I need to see the track/trace number before believing.... :?

Wobba
23-04-2010, 22:36
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/moo0484/Sales%20crap/Photo0575.jpg

cliokongen
24-04-2010, 10:29
Nice.... :D

Track/trace number received and checked - GB is in transit... :D


Finally.....

Justin..
24-04-2010, 11:38
Will the speedo still work with that?

Beaniemoo
25-04-2010, 21:56
Yes the speedo drive fits straight onto it so Moo tells me and he spent the day building my box up

Wobba
27-04-2010, 15:27
Nice.... :D

Track/trace number received and checked - GB is in transit... :D


Finally.....

Woohoo!

:D

Well, mines not back in the box...and the box is not in the car either yet. I am still waiting on Stan to get his bloke to fit it and bolt the box on.

Wobba
27-04-2010, 15:29
Yes the speedo drive fits straight onto it so Moo tells me and he spent the day building my box up

Yep, confirmed, old designs did not have the ability to use the speedo cable...

And yes, the new design means we wont need to change the shaft...though Gripper did say it MAY mean our widetrack is increased by 5mm.

Justin..
27-04-2010, 15:33
How can the box have anything to do with track width :?

stevie_b
27-04-2010, 15:51
And yes, the new design means we wont need to change the shaft...though Gripper did say it MAY mean our widetrack is increased by 5mm.

Don't think it can change the track much. The shaft position length may change due to the position of the drive within the box but the track is dictated by the position of the hub, which as a minimum has its lower point located by the balljoint, fixed in position by the wishbones. Okay, there is some movement possible at the strut end, but surely moving the centre of the hub out 5mm whilst keeping the lower point of the hub fixed in position is going to result in crazy positive camber?

Evogone
27-04-2010, 16:18
Spoke to John at Gripper today whilst i was there today and the new design is so you "Should" be able to run you std shafts and not have to shorten the pass one or run a 16v one. It "may" only still be an issue if your running loads of negative camber but should be OK.

We will find out im sure.....when people get them fitted.

cliokongen
29-04-2010, 23:08
FYI....

Gearbox fitted - shafts on...
I had to grind of approximately 4mm from the right hand side drive shaft (the end that attaches to the gearbox)
The hole did not line up no matter what i tried.
Somehow the diff assembly/splined end is different from the normal diff which makes it nessesary to remove material for the hole in the splined shaft to line up with the hole in the drive shaft.

Michael

Wobba
30-04-2010, 12:48
FYI....

Gearbox fitted - shafts on...
I had to grind of approximately 4mm from the right hand side drive shaft (the end that attaches to the gearbox)
The hole did not line up no matter what i tried.
Somehow the diff assembly/splined end is different from the normal diff which makes it nessesary to remove material for the hole in the splined shaft to line up with the hole in the drive shaft.

Michael

Hmm, ok. Thanks for letting us know. How is the passenger side length looking? Have you run it in yet? :)

Wobba
30-04-2010, 12:53
And yes, the new design means we wont need to change the shaft...though Gripper did say it MAY mean our widetrack is increased by 5mm.

Don't think it can change the track much. The shaft position length may change due to the position of the drive within the box but the track is dictated by the position of the hub, which as a minimum has its lower point located by the balljoint, fixed in position by the wishbones. Okay, there is some movement possible at the strut end, but surely moving the centre of the hub out 5mm whilst keeping the lower point of the hub fixed in position is going to result in crazy positive camber?

yea, ok, so lower balljoint should dictate the length, but yea, too long and it can affect camber as the splines wont be long enough on the outer part of the shaft to hub, pushing hub outwards.

Evogone
30-04-2010, 14:02
I tried my gripper with a will pass shaft and on the stage the car vibrated badly when going round a right hander as the shaft was bottoming out due to it being to long. 10mm is how much it should be shortened (Mine are 12.5mm) as i run so much camber.

New design you guys have should mean you dont need to shorten the shaft as there is on 2-3mm difference in the diff.

Reports anyone, whos got it fitted? No PAS = sore arms LOL..!! it does slacken off over time though, think mines due a rebuild as i can now do a 3 point turn and not many clucks on lock...at first sound like you have cracked you gearbox on lock. :lol: :lol:

cliokongen
30-04-2010, 21:43
FYI....

Gearbox fitted - shafts on...
I had to grind of approximately 4mm from the right hand side drive shaft (the end that attaches to the gearbox)
The hole did not line up no matter what i tried.
Somehow the diff assembly/splined end is different from the normal diff which makes it nessesary to remove material for the hole in the splined shaft to line up with the hole in the drive shaft.

Michael

Hmm, ok. Thanks for letting us know. How is the passenger side length looking? Have you run it in yet? :)

Seems to have a little play - i guess thats good.
Unfortunately not ready to drive yet....
Will be soon though! :-)

Evogone
30-04-2010, 23:26
Mine had 6mm play and knocked like mad when going round a corner but i run lots of camber.....

cliokongen
30-04-2010, 23:43
How much noise should we expect to hear?
- Normal straigt driving
- "Normal" turning
- Full lock turning

And how would you describe the noise?

Wobba
01-05-2010, 13:10
Mine had 6mm play and knocked like mad when going round a corner but i run lots of camber.....

The driveshaft did? Or diff?

I've just got myself some H&R camber bolts and I will be (just to see how mad I can get it for shits and giggles) putting my solid top mounts on and set it to max negative camber :p

I expect it will be about -5% negative.

Evogone
01-05-2010, 19:41
How much noise should we expect to hear?
- Normal straigt driving
- "Normal" turning
- Full lock turning

And how would you describe the noise?

Little or nothing going straight but when cornering the steering shakes violently and ouside wheel scrubs and understeering and just doesnt sound nice..!!

Evogone
01-05-2010, 19:42
Mine had 6mm play and knocked like mad when going round a corner but i run lots of camber.....

The driveshaft did? Or diff?

I've just got myself some H&R camber bolts and I will be (just to see how mad I can get it for shits and giggles) putting my solid top mounts on and set it to max negative camber :p

I expect it will be about -5% negative.

Driveshaft at CV and in the diff cup, the shaft is locking between the two..!! you will know if its not right..!

Wobba
03-05-2010, 10:29
What ratio's do you have Evo?

cliokongen
04-05-2010, 21:10
How much noise should we expect to hear?
- Normal straigt driving
- "Normal" turning
- Full lock turning

And how would you describe the noise?

Little or nothing going straight but when cornering the steering shakes violently and ouside wheel scrubs and understeering and just doesnt sound nice..!!

My car is currently on axle stands.
Gearbox is very noisy when gears are engaged.
I guess it might be because there is no load on thewheels/axles...

Michael

Wobba
07-05-2010, 14:03
lol gears will be noisy :)

So did you grind off the LSD or the driveshaft?

cliokongen
07-05-2010, 22:16
4mm from the LH driveshaft (GB end)....

Michael (From Nürburgring - without the car unfortunately)

Wobba
10-05-2010, 16:48
4mm from the LH driveshaft (GB end)....

Michael (From Nürburgring - without the car unfortunately)

?

Dont you mean right hand?

Left hand is the tripod joint into 'box.

Evogone
10-05-2010, 17:58
Its the left hand pass side shaft that needs modding. Well might not with your newere design diff.

I have the 5.2 final drive and tops out at 115 at 7.7k approx. The gearbox does whine on the optional final drive ratios..in particular 5th. if you have the std final drive it will be quiet like the std box.

Come one get them fitted and give some feedback.

What ramp angles and peload did you have them set to ?

cliokongen
10-05-2010, 20:15
4mm from the LH driveshaft (GB end)....

Michael (From Nürburgring - without the car unfortunately)

?

Dont you mean right hand?

Left hand is the tripod joint into 'box.


Yes right hand... :-)
I did not have to mod the left hand.
Semmes fine with wheels in the air - but i guess i would need to drive it (in anger) and put it throught its paces to see how it works.

Michael

cliokongen
10-05-2010, 20:19
Its the left hand pass side shaft that needs modding. Well might not with your newere design diff.

I have the 5.2 final drive and tops out at 115 at 7.7k approx. The gearbox does whine on the optional final drive ratios..in particular 5th. if you have the std final drive it will be quiet like the std box.

Come one get them fitted and give some feedback.

What ramp angles and peload did you have them set to ?


I have the optional final drive (60/14) - just slightly lower than std. Williams as i need to drive it to and from Trackdays (and from Denmark to Nürburgring)

I dont know about the preload but i told John wgat i was going to use i for.
Only tarmac trackday use.

Michael

Wobba
28-01-2011, 18:20
After about a year, I wanted to revisit this and see what us buyers of a Gripper LSD think of them thus far? Any problems or stories to tell? How did you find them in the snow etc?