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TurboValver
02-07-2009, 09:30
Good Morning all, im new here. Im usually a CRX man as I have an Integra Type R powered rex as my daily driver. However I have just bought a new toy and as far as I know it is a fairly well known motor on here?? It is Nick Read's old BBPT clio turbo. Its actually in a little bit of a sorry state at the moment considering how it was in its former glory but Iam fixing it up to use as a track car.

As far as I know this has a fully built f7p motor with 7.5:1 forged pistons and a hybrid T28/T3 turbo running chargecooler and big FMIC, it has also been mapped by fastchips of the netherlands, it has a few other bits that are mentioned in the receipts like the 6 puk clutch, bigger fuel pump Hi-Spec 4 pots, GAZ coilovers and a williams gearbox along with hundreds of other bits I have forgotton. The car is painted in a similar colour to the MGZR blue. But that is the extent of my knowledge of the car, does anyone know any more of its history? Id like to know a little more about what is in the car without opening it up if possible.

It was built by BBPT back in 2004 in the ownership of Nick and then it was sold to a lad called Adi who lives in Warrington. I have found the old for sale thread of this car on here. I havn't driven it yet but its supposed to be a bit of a handful (or so im hoping) :lol:

Ash

Coops
02-07-2009, 10:13
welcome mate

i know nothing of the car i'm afraid but i can vouch for the turbo'd clio's being complete animals, enjoy 8)

Wobba
02-07-2009, 12:09
I think this car has been mentioned here before?

stan
02-07-2009, 12:28
Its a well known car from a while back.

Nick spent a good ammount of time and money on that car. He had good attention to detail with fine tuning etc.

get some pics up.

Wobba
02-07-2009, 13:50
Naples iirc?

Winston
02-07-2009, 14:04
nah Wob its metalic blue

Legend of Mk1 Clio 8)

jamesy
02-07-2009, 16:48
ah one of the first turbo valvers.i was wondering where it went.

Daz.
02-07-2009, 17:26
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Daz0rz/Clio257.jpg

I think this picture needs to come out again :lol:

Daz.
02-07-2009, 17:26
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Daz0rz/Clio253.jpg

Laine_16v
02-07-2009, 18:25
That car is the sex

Bonnet louevres look good

Justin..
02-07-2009, 19:23
ooooooooooh the inspiration of my turbo build!! :D



PICS ASAP !!!!! :D

Justin..
02-07-2009, 19:34
Here's a few old ones I've got...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/Afterburnerlights2.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/NIckreadsClioFront.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/NickReadsClioDiscs.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/blueclio2.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/blueclio3.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/blueclio.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/justin_2k5/nickReadsClioBack.jpg

Hope it's still in good condition

Brealbags
02-07-2009, 20:07
Im sorry is there only me who doesnt like this?

Laine_16v
02-07-2009, 20:20
Rear lights and "Em free" mirrors are gash, love everything else.

Justin..
02-07-2009, 20:29
theyre not em free lol


imo back in 2004 it was the ''in thing''


i'm more intersted in the running gear :P

richy
02-07-2009, 21:05
wow i did wander what happened to this car, remember seeing it at york dragway etc

rob-legend
02-07-2009, 21:36
Im sorry is there only me who doesnt like this?

nope, me too, but welcome to the club though matey!

MAXIBOY
02-07-2009, 21:46
this was the first turbo clio..i love this car

i have the same dtm type mirrors..

i think this car is a legend in its own right..as was nick..

glad you have it and will restore it..even as a track car.

any turbo advice just ask. me and a few others are running them now..

TurboValver
03-07-2009, 09:51
Brilliant, glad I came on here now, that certainly is the car it does look a bit different now though it has a different bumper front lights and bonnett.

Its no tax or MOT and has been stood for well over a year. Been totally neglected by the previous owner who didnt have a clue, but trust me I know potential when I see it. :) I wont be making it totally mint again I wouldnt have thought as i dont want to be in the same situation as i am with the CRX spent so much money and time I couldnt live with myself if I binned it on the track. So It will just be getting fixed up to a reasonable standard and driven how it should be.

It is an awesome machine, my mates were all round last night checking it out, one has a williams and he is gutted! I only really bought it because MY CRX has pretty much reached its pinnacle now without me going daft and Turbo'ing it. Plus I like the NA power!

Ill get some pictures up tonight of the condition its in at the moment.

TurboValver
03-07-2009, 10:25
Just one other thing I forgot to ask. The boost....

Its running a BBPT high boost turbo conversion @ 16psi currently. Ive seen others on here with same low boost conversion running 15.5psi. What potentially could I safely boost this engine at do you think?

And what would I have to do to up the boost?

Ideally Id like twin stage as I used to have an RST that had this function and it was great. High boost and really high boost :lol:

Cheers.

northy
03-07-2009, 10:35
Nice to see this car back on the site again, last time i saw it was 2005

I know it was for sale a few years ago on cliosport - prob the guy u bought it off.

get the pictures up asap.

1995clio16v
03-07-2009, 11:08
However I have just bought a new toy and as far as I know it is a fairly well known motor on here?? It is Nick Read's old BBPT clio turbo. Its actually in a little bit of a sorry state at the moment considering how it was in its former glory but Iam fixing it up to use as a track car.

Ash

How much did you pay for it?

I remember this being on ebay, maybe a good 6/7 years ago, and he was asking around 7k for it, maybe 8k. It could actually have been 8/9 years ago.

I have the print out from eBay somewhere. The car looked that mint and the spec was that stunning, I had to print it off and keep a copy of it. I will try and find it.

:D

Coops
03-07-2009, 11:15
Just one other thing I forgot to ask. The boost....

Its running a BBPT high boost turbo conversion @ 16psi currently. Ive seen others on here with same low boost conversion running 15.5psi. What potentially could I safely boost this engine at do you think?

And what would I have to do to up the boost?

Ideally Id like twin stage as I used to have an RST that had this function and it was great. High boost and really high boost :lol:

Cheers.

16psi is pretty much absolute limit on your current chip. more boost requires possbily bigger injectors, unless you already have them, and a new chip/map

simonr85
03-07-2009, 12:05
alrite ash mate, i wouldnt tell everyone on here what you paid for it, it will make a lot of people jealous :lol: , i just wish i had bought it before you

it doesnt have that bonnet on anymore or the morettes and the wheels are now gold i think

ash........... maxiboy is the man to talk to about turbos if you have any questions and is very helpful


im going to drive this beast 2nite, cant wait! :lol:

simonr85
03-07-2009, 12:06
has a side exit exhaust too now!

Allan
03-07-2009, 12:36
hmm yes last saw this many years ago at FCS, always wanted a turbo due to this car :D

TurboValver
03-07-2009, 12:51
Glad the car has a nice rep on here. Its good to know.

Im not going to say what I paid for it, but it was an absolute steal, I wanted something turbo RWD to have a play with, but I just couldnt leave this alone for the price.

Si, the wheels arnt gold there exactly the same as all the pictures up on here, anthracite or charcoal grey whatever you want to call it.

Coops - Thanks for that. Ill look into uprating the injectors eventually if the car lasts long enough to handle my angry driving! And an uprated map sensor as well id have said? unless it already has one. With such low compression though (7.5:1) its bound to be able to take more boost right?

This is the problem, I just dont know what the spec is, im attempting to figure it all out though.

Car has an A/F meter as well that reads rich, if this is the case it must have a wideband right?

1995Clio16v - see if you can dig out the ad, it will have some more spec in there!

Thanks.
Ash.

MAXIBOY
03-07-2009, 12:52
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-2.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-4.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-5.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-6.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/123maxiboy/nick-16v-3.jpg

found a few too for you

Allan
03-07-2009, 13:04
it would probably have a 1 bar map sensor on it, so you would need a larger one to run more boost.

then injectors again being maxed out on duty cycle so either bigger injectors or more fuel presure.

Crank the boost up and give it a go :D

TurboValver
03-07-2009, 13:53
Im thinking it must be bigger than a bar map sensor already if the car is running 16psi and 1bar = 14psi?

Sorry, im not much good with turbos's im pretty new to them in general so im probobly wrong, is that not how it works?

simonr85
03-07-2009, 14:27
Si, the wheels arnt gold there exactly the same as all the pictures up on here, anthracite or charcoal grey whatever you want to call it.




must of been the light last nite then mate, they looked gold to me thats why i was impressed with them lol

oh and if 1995clio16v finds that ad he is in preston too


shouldnt you be doing some work right now ash for the wages ur on??? ring me 2nite when you want me to come round

TurboValver
03-07-2009, 14:55
must of been the light last nite then mate, they looked gold to me thats why i was impressed with them lol

oh and if 1995clio16v finds that ad he is in preston too


shouldnt you be doing some work right now ash for the wages ur on??? ring me 2nite when you want me to come round

Either the light or them funny fags you had earlier?

I should be working but due to the nature of my job being Friday afternoon 'slack time', iam not :lol:

simonr85
03-07-2009, 15:03
oh can somebody explain how the scuttle panel air filter mod works for ash as i was trying to explain to him last nite but not sure myself, i knowits something to do with negative pressure or summat, and his air filter is routed down by the passwenger wheel

http://www.cliowilliams.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36031&sid=bf1d2ccb4c3de092d3453745cde19eed

MAXIBOY
03-07-2009, 15:16
its draws cooler higher density air from a place that has it in spades..

it also stops cars drawing in huge amounts of standing water unless it covers the bonnet which is why the works teams used it also..

Laine_16v
03-07-2009, 15:36
this was the first turbo clio..i love this car

i have the same dtm type mirrors..

i think this car is a legend in its own right..as was nick..

glad you have it and will restore it..even as a track car.

any turbo advice just ask. me and a few others are running them now..

Was Lee's turbo clio not the first one? back in 2000/2001?

MAXIBOY
03-07-2009, 16:29
^^^^^^^^^

not sure mate. thought this was the first one..or the first bb tuning one.
defo the first one i ever saw.. :D

not sure now..

Coops
03-07-2009, 17:17
ai, lee's (redrocket) was the first BBPT one i believe waaaaaay back in 2000.

simonr85
03-07-2009, 18:43
ash check these out of maxiboys car

http://maxi.36t.co.uk/catalog.php?cat=10

diditno
03-07-2009, 21:08
ive got a willyiams turbo done by bb tunng, however has had full rebuild by gdi recently. if i can help with any qiestions you may have let me know.

steve

Wobba
04-07-2009, 01:03
I have some old magazines from the 1990's with turbocharged Clio conversions, and a supercharged one too. I will see if I can add them to my list in the Reviews section.

TurboValver
04-07-2009, 17:09
Cheers for all the responses fellas, looks like im on for a winner with the car and the help from this site :D

Ive taken some pictures but the car has been stood for ages and it needs bits painting and all sorts, I take pride in my cars and dont want to post pictures of cars I own that look like dogs. So im going to do a few tweaks and get it sorted then Ill stick some up.

Thanks for all your responses though and just so I dont totally let you down heres a sneaky peak at my CRX as long as you guys dont mind!

:lol:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ashleydean08/Rex/DSC02972.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ashleydean08/Rex/Pic33.jpg

Oh and maxiboy your clio is WILD! I bet thats a bit of a handful when she gets going :shock:

Ash.

MAXIBOY
05-07-2009, 15:33
thanks mate..can be a bit of a handful but still waiting to get the proper re-map done when i can find time..should be great then..

northy
06-07-2009, 12:43
post some now pics up mate - would be nice to see it again

2 live
06-07-2009, 17:31
good to see nicks old beast still up n about. it never did get to hammer the willy down the strip....and i raced it in various states of tune lol.

iirc nick had to ditch the 17s, and the front brakes set up to get 15s on the car n get a decent time. was rapid wen rolling tho..

nick spent an absolute fortune on this car, did all the development work for bbpt, or paid for it anyway. but it wasnt the first one they did.

was running nos before the turbo build and bodykit/respray. ran 14.808s just .008 slower than the willy at the time ;)


last time i raced it was at usc at pod just before nick sold it. raced 3 times, won twice.


adi bought it off nick, then promptly got banned......lol...so he kept it for a while as a track car, then sold it on.

as for specs......not 100% sure as it had so much done, then changed and redone, etc etc was hard to keep up with what was goin on under the bonnet.

TurboValver
06-07-2009, 21:19
Excellent, cheers mate, the more info the better really. I think the best way for me to find out is ring BB themselves, im gonna give it a try when I get chance!

I sorta had a feeling the 17"s would be an issue, but as im not gonna be doing 1/4's in it and its going to get tracked i dont think they will be too much of an issue other than compromising the handling. nIm not into big wheels but those brakes are staying! :lol:

Thanks for the info anyway mate.

Ash

2 live
06-07-2009, 21:47
iirc adi had probs with the zorst melting the skirts.

and rubbage from the oversize wheels.

be much better off gettin smaller brakes n 15s on mate. imho.

-jo-
07-07-2009, 10:32
Im thinking it must be bigger than a bar map sensor already if the car is running 16psi and 1bar = 14psi?

Sorry, im not much good with turbos's im pretty new to them in general so im probobly wrong, is that not how it works?


it would probably have a 1 bar map sensor on it, so you would need a larger one to run more boost.

then injectors again being maxed out on duty cycle so either bigger injectors or more fuel presure.

Crank the boost up and give it a go :D

ahum ... guy's...
for 1 bar boost you need a 2 bar mapsensor (1 bar absoluut pressure + 1 atmo pressure) . If its the bb conversion then Nick used the mapsensor from the 21 turbo, along with the injectors (0 800 150 802)

easy to find out what mapsensor he use:
on the connector are numbers stamped, 3digit number.
1 bar:
039
460
883
876

2 bar:
886
012
539
609
701

3 bar:
749
861

the 3 digit number is followed by a 4 digit number wich is the manufactur date.

Sorry for the bad translation.

btw, BB doesnt exist anymore as far as i know.

Cheers, jo (belgium)

TurboValver
07-07-2009, 12:22
I didnt think BB were still going after I tried to get on their website and it dosnt exist anymore.

Can anyone confirm?

simonr85
07-07-2009, 13:18
I didnt think BB were still going after I tried to get on their website and it dosnt exist anymore.

Can anyone confirm?
GET SUM WORK DONE


oh and il swap you my wheels and brakes for your wheels and brakes. :lol:


alot of members are in the north west ash so im sure someone who knows what there talkin about (turbos) will come down and tell you what u need to know mate, plus if you have the R21 injecters and map sensor il buy em off you if you upgrade yours :lol:

16v_paddy
07-07-2009, 14:05
I didnt think BB were still going after I tried to get on their website and it dosnt exist anymore.

Can anyone confirm?


I heard they had problems at their new place so decided to jack it in, try getting in touch through ebay as I know they're still selling stuff on there

-jo-
07-07-2009, 15:15
hmmm, there out off buisiness. Thats the word over here, comming from suppliers and people who worked with them. .

Dancliovalver
07-07-2009, 18:00
i bought a clio CD from ebay years back for £2 (was bored), and it featured mainly that car, was emmence =)

mite try and find it and get the vids up

TurboValver
07-07-2009, 18:45
Deffo mate, get the vids up!! I want to see :)

Simon - Give it a rest with all this talk of "work". What is work? Ive never had a real job. :P

TurboValver
07-07-2009, 19:12
Whats his seller name on ebay? Will it still be the same fella from all that time ago do you think? I believe his name is Andy whoever has it now, Same bloke?

Dancliovalver
07-07-2009, 19:47
i cant remember dude, was a very long time ago hehe, rite back when i had my RT

fani
25-07-2009, 09:29
very nice car ! can you put some pictures with the engine compartment ? thanks.

fani
25-07-2009, 10:49
Im thinking it must be bigger than a bar map sensor already if the car is running 16psi and 1bar = 14psi?

Sorry, im not much good with turbos's im pretty new to them in general so im probobly wrong, is that not how it works?


it would probably have a 1 bar map sensor on it, so you would need a larger one to run more boost.

then injectors again being maxed out on duty cycle so either bigger injectors or more fuel presure.

Crank the boost up and give it a go :D

ahum ... guy's...
for 1 bar boost you need a 2 bar mapsensor (1 bar absoluut pressure + 1 atmo pressure) . If its the bb conversion then Nick used the mapsensor from the 21 turbo, along with the injectors (0 800 150 802)

easy to find out what mapsensor he use:
on the connector are numbers stamped, 3digit number.
1 bar:
039
460
883
876

2 bar:
886
012
539
609
701

3 bar:
749
861

the 3 digit number is followed by a 4 digit number wich is the manufactur date.

Sorry for the bad translation.

btw, BB doesnt exist anymore as far as i know.

Cheers, jo (belgium)
on my map sensor are wrote these numbers : what model is it ?

-jo-
25-07-2009, 19:07
2 bar renault 21 turbo mapsensor.

-jo-
28-07-2009, 12:16
might be wrong ! Is that 876 ?? Can see it clear. If so then its a 1 bar mapsensor.

Check here, very nice info:

http://www.robietherobot.com/storm/mapsensor.htm

Wobba
28-07-2009, 12:41
876 defo.

-jo-
28-07-2009, 12:42
1 bar then

fani
28-07-2009, 13:59
thank you !

1995clio16v
28-07-2009, 14:04
Is that GM as in General Motors made map sensor?

-jo-
28-07-2009, 14:50
yes,

ive tried the magnetti mireli 2.5 bar ms but that didnt worked like whe wanted. Wiring is also diff then the GM's