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seeing as pretty much everyone already knows it's mine from having made visits to Omex to see it... thought I may as well post up some pics lol.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/JediPimp007/Image082.jpg
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I'm obviously quite pleased with the effort these guys have gone to, but what's amazing is that the design, fab work, install and mapping has taken on 2 and a half weeks! Power figures will be released as soon as I'm allowed to spill the beans!
Thtas a very tidy setup, and once the bumper is back on you would hardly know the charger was fitted.
so im guessing all the brackets etc are custom made?
cheers mate, yeah it should be pretty much invisible with the bumper on... I'll get it heat painted though to be sure! :)
Brackets were designed in Autocad by Darren and CNC'd all in a day, but there's a base template now. Would be cool to see a Mk1 charged actually :)
busterhymes
08-04-2009, 11:34
very tidy job :)
mk 1 twincharge i feel :wink:
I'd love to see this on a Mk1 as well tbh! Coops, what do low boost turbo's on standard internals usually make for power and torque wise?
mine was making 217bhp and 180 lb/ft on low boost, standard internals fella
I'd be happy with that kind of power, the torque delivery I bet is brutal :D
okay, my next possibly stupid question is about BAR and PSI... what the hell is half a bar in PSI? lol
Would this set up work on an F7R?
Im guessing there is rounghly the same amount of space below the alternator. I only took my engine out the other day but cant for the life of me remember how much room there was
I dont see any reason why not fella, but it would need a new bracket designing and I know for a fact Darren can design and fab them in a few hours (he's an exceptional engineer). If you wanted one they could do it, that much is certain and I know they do want to... I'm guessing the first person to do it to a Mk1 through these guys would get a pretty good discount, but do it, I want to see one! lol
stevefesta
08-04-2009, 12:30
I'd be happy with that kind of power, the torque delivery I bet is brutal :D
okay, my next possibly stupid question is about BAR and PSI... what the hell is half a bar in PSI? lol
It's about 7psi or to be exact - 14.50 psi = 1 bar so 14.5/2 = 7.25 psi
I'd be happy with that kind of power, the torque delivery I bet is brutal :D
okay, my next possibly stupid question is about BAR and PSI... what the hell is half a bar in PSI? lol
google is your friend mate, but 1.0BAR is about 14.5psi, so half a bar is 7.25psi
mine ran 9psi low boost
no runs 16psi high boost for a more brutal 242lb/ft and 268bhp :twisted:
I'd be happy with that kind of power, the torque delivery I bet is brutal :D
okay, my next possibly stupid question is about BAR and PSI... what the hell is half a bar in PSI? lol
It's about 7psi or to be exact - 14.50 psi = 1 bar so 14.5/2 = 7.25 psi
beat me to it :roll: :lol:
hehe cheers guys :)
I think high boost will be around 1.5 bars of boostage, but I have to drive it as is for R&D purposes before I can have it rebuilt :(
I'll see if Andy has any final power figures yet, but I'm pleased so far with how it's going. I'll gets some vids up this weekend for y'all
what kind of cost are you lookin at for a supercharged set up?
pricing hasn't been finalised yet fella, so not really sure, but I'll see if I can find out this weekend for you :)
hehe cheers guys :)
I think high boost will be around 1.5 bars of boostage, but I have to drive it as is for R&D purposes before I can have it rebuilt :(
I'll see if Andy has any final power figures yet, but I'm pleased so far with how it's going. I'll gets some vids up this weekend for y'all
looking forward to it mate, i would hope the delivery will be a LOT smoother than my turbo setup, and as such should be more reliable aswell
I think high boost will be around and over 400bhp, so not too sure how that will be put onto the road, but the way I understand it, the charger will make the engine act like a much much larger NA one?
basically it should produce more low down, so kind of more like n/a, altho it wont be as immediatly responsive as t/b's as the charger will still need to spool up sufficiently with revs to provide full boost, particularly on big power as the load on the smaller engine will be much greater.least thats what seems logical to me!
as for power down, it wont, i'd guess spinning up on every gear unless you feather it :lol: :wink:
yeah that's how I understand it too, iirc I get boost at 1300rpm and full boost before 2000rpm, so should have plenty of torque, but as you say, not sure how tractable that will be on high boost! lol
It will feel at home on the big American roads when I move though, will have to find a box builder over there and sort something out with regards that and a diff.
it'll feel better at higher revs aswell i'd guess, low down torque is good but when the power comes in aswell it goes so much better if mine is anything to go by, i get peak torque at about 4000rpm and hit full boost before at about 3500 but it only truly feels like its pulling its hardest over 4500rpm at least, graphs etc dont mean shit :lol:
I've not seen any graphs for this one yet, only what Andy's told me like, but iirc I get full torque at 4000rpm too and it's just a flat line to the limiter... which sounds like fun! :D
Just itching to get it back and have a drive, only one more sleep left now :D
fuk the pics......wen i get the keys??
f*k the pics......wen i get the keys??
when I get it back :)
Must not look at thos pics!!!
eternalife
08-04-2009, 20:24
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/JediPimp007/IMG00041-20090402-1500.jpg
Nice car in the background - silly reno blocking the view :wink:
do it Daz ;)
and LOL, yeah I'd rather look at the Viper tbh!
do it Daz ;)
and LOL, yeah I'd rather look at the Viper tbh!
lol any money that was for any kind of fun has been put aside for this new bastard engine! :(
I'll get some vids of him panning me on the weekend...
congrats mate
i'm very curious how it will preform... wanna see some vids.....
driven it yet then mate? one sleep is up :wink:
should be later on today, going after work :)
can't wait, it's going to be pretty mental quick :D
turbo is coming out to play this weekend, can't wait. the williams put a huge grin on my face yesterday on trip up to hathersage so buy some new climbing stuff, but its pales into insignificance next to boost :wink:
hehe, never owned a boosted car before Coops, only driven friends turbo's, but only really Evo's and Scooby's... I loved the ITB's for the speed, but mainly the noise, I have a feeling this will be more of a speed addiction though lol
GOD.....HELP THE DRIVESHAFTS!!!
Justin..
09-04-2009, 20:54
should have boosted the bodies :shock:
sideways danny
10-04-2009, 10:37
Brackets were designed in Autocad by Darren and CNC'd all in a day, but there's a base template now. Would be cool to see a Mk1 charged actually :)
2 days of CAD, and 2 days of machining, on top of a very well developed CAD model of the F4R that took quite some time to plot ;)
We're talking about a williams install, but developing a kit would be costly and doubtful that enough would sell to make it worthwhile. Happy to do a 1off if someone really wants it though.
sideways danny
10-04-2009, 10:39
should have boosted the bodies :shock:
it's possible but entails a custom plenum design, and in honesty it's a bit pointless. You can achieve every benefit you'd see by other means, and you certainly wont keep the noise
im really curios about the prices with a mk1 set up?
kneesparks
10-04-2009, 18:03
Come on tell us what the test drive was like? Lots more power than the ITB's? 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpB4x3_fhM&feature=channel_page
:)
sideways danny
11-04-2009, 02:39
vid doesn't sound as good as in person. Jon nearly wet himself as i revved it the first time :D
vid doesn't sound as good as in person. Jon nearly wet himself as i revved it the first time :D
went from 6 to midnight! :lol:
im really curios about the prices with a mk1 set up?
+1 tell tell tell
no prices yet AFAIK, but wont be long... patience lads ;)
nice to see some pictures jon, well impressed youve had this done. Well chuffed. so whens my ride ?
cheers Northy, this was too good not to be done and the pics and vids really dont do it justice!
Should get it back next week, so we could organise a meet/run?
Av it :D
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/AndyGDI/ClioSC05BarGraph.jpg
thats impressive on low boost mate
be easier to see though if you resized it..
very impressive result though..
though the torque is lower than the turbo's i think.
is this because of the lower boost configuration.
I blame the forum for not resizing it for me tbh! lol
Torque is actually higher than the low boost K-tec kit looking at theirs, they make around 200-210lbs/ft and 200bhp. So it's making good numbers, it's 60bhp up on my ITB setup on the same RR and 60lbs/ft up also :D
That's more than Coops's ;) .....
i cant see pics in work, what it make? 'best' mine got on 1 of the 3 runs its had at this spec was 278bhp and 255lb/ft iirc
yours is a fair bit more powerful Coops lol
260bhp and 220lbs/ft it made on a completely standard engine. Only mod now is an exhaust, so pretty pleased with it
I wouldn't moan at that though!
oh I'm not, but I have the money to go high boost but Andy wont let me :( lol
for now..... probably :twisted:
stop being ghay jon, and get andy put in his place.
does it whine like a virgin on his wedding night when u boot it ???
very nice mate but when are you cranking it up to 400bhp+ and show us what that SC can really do :wink:
sideways danny
16-04-2009, 22:41
thats impressive on low boost mate
be easier to see though if you resized it..
very impressive result though..
though the torque is lower than the turbo's i think.
is this because of the lower boost configuration.
torque will always be lower than a turbo on one of these chargers, but the delivery makes the car more useable and much smoother. For track this will kick the arse out of a turbo, better traction and much less snatchy
thats a sweeping statement.. :shock:
for the boost it makes alot of power
which brings me to a question, if its technically the same situation in the cyclinders, as in same amount of boost as a turbo can provide, 9psi, why does it create so much more power for the same boost than a turbo?i genuinely have no idea? would a 9psi turboed f4r on standard engines produce that?
it's only running 7psi Coops... consider the cost of the charger and the fact it's basically a belt driven turbo... a rather large one for a Clio lol
Dan, there's nothing wrong with a bit of snatch ;)
**** me thats even more impressive, 7psi and 260bhp? how the hell does that work? see in my mind if a turbo provided the 7psi then it too would surely give same bhp? boost is boost right? from the cylinders point of view how does it tell the difference? :lol: mite sound like a stupid question but it really does have me confused
loads of other factors really coops..but its very impressive for 7psi..
not sure how it works, but my thinking is that psi is simply the pressure, so size and speed it rotates based on that is where the difference is?
so more volume basically? and as its physically powered by the engine i spose it doesnt have to wait for enough exhaust exit speed to spool up a bit impeller...mmmm more light needs shedding as i like to understand these things but either way good start :wink:
well i could be talking total shit tbh, that's just the only reasonable way I can think how it works from a limited knowledge perspective. Dan will be able to shed some light on it
sideways danny
17-04-2009, 00:40
boost is a measurement of restriction. You're basically measuring the pressure build up in the plenum where air is going in faster than it can go out the other side. Ever notice you can run a much bigger turbo at low boost but still make more power? Total flowed air mass is greater :)
There's no rule for a boost pressure being equal to power. Airflow is what is making the difference. With a turbo bolted on the exhaust side it becomes a restriction so flow through the engine becomes less efficient. This is obviously balanced by the gains you get from the turbo, but without it there the potential is greater :)
There's even more to it, but basically, boost pressure tells you very very little
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 00:41
Can we get a full cost break down of the price paid per bhp over that which you had on the throttle bodies please?
Ie cost of this minus the money made from selling the throttle bodies / the total bhp gain
Cheers
eternalife
17-04-2009, 00:59
Can we get a full cost break down of the price paid per bhp over that which you had on the throttle bodies please?
Ie cost of this minus the money made from selling the throttle bodies / the total bhp gain
Cheers
The equation fairs a lot better than the oily induction kit you bought at FCS a few years ago :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
what do you estimate the supercharger consumes power wise and does this increase with higher boost levels.. :?
sideways danny
17-04-2009, 01:21
thats a sweeping statement.. :shock:
lazy typing lol. Dont misunderstand, I love turbos, I've run a modded 200sx for 8 years now, currently on a GT28RS 0.86AR. (big ex housing, less restrictive on flow ;) ) On a front wheel drive car, power delivery gets really important on track, and having the peak torque early (typical of a turbo clio) means the car is much more prone to wheelspin.
Can we get a full cost break down of the price paid per bhp over that which you had on the throttle bodies please?
Ie cost of this minus the money made from selling the throttle bodies / the total bhp gain
Cheers
Why, what does that have to do with anyting? I dont do it to turn a profit or as an investment, this is a hobby and something I enjoy doing. All you need to know is cheaper than buying another car of equal performance.
Plus what if I said it was all free, would you lose sleep Robert?
boost is a measurement of restriction. You're basically measuring the pressure build up in the plenum where air is going in faster than it can go out the other side. Ever notice you can run a much bigger turbo at low boost but still make more power? Total flowed air mass is greater :)
There's no rule for a boost pressure being equal to power. Airflow is what is making the difference. With a turbo bolted on the exhaust side it becomes a restriction so flow through the engine becomes less efficient. This is obviously balanced by the gains you get from the turbo, but without it there the potential is greater :)
There's even more to it, but basically, boost pressure tells you very very little
so its more about total mass of air, a big ass volume from a supercharger at lower psi will be same as a smaller amount of air at a greater pressure from a turbo
I think I understand it now, thanks for the clarity Danny boy :)
If I dont speak to you later I'll see you on Sunday, plus make sure Andy and Bex let you have a go in the Clio! Might make you get your arse in gear and join the silver Ph1 club ;) lol
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 12:46
Can we get a full cost break down of the price paid per bhp over that which you had on the throttle bodies please?
Ie cost of this minus the money made from selling the throttle bodies / the total bhp gain
Cheers
Why, what does that have to do with anyting? I dont do it to turn a profit or as an investment, this is a hobby and something I enjoy doing. All you need to know is cheaper than buying another car of equal performance.
Plus what if I said it was all free, would you lose sleep Robert?
I dont need sleep.
who are you, Chuck Norris?
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 16:58
No seriously i am impressed with this. It looks pretty fast from the graph. Not my cup of tea personally as i like my cars to be reliable and go round corners. But im sure it will be the fastest clio in a straight line ive seen for a while.
Cam'd, ITB'd twice, supercharged, thrashed endlessly on track, 100k standard engine, clutch and box... never failed, great huh? It also survived a track day with 2 live lol.
Welcome to come see for yourself Bobby, that's if you're not too busy being an E-thug. I could lay down a challenge to make a fool of you (yes, again), but i'd be wasting my time as you would talk a (relatively) good game before whimpering off with you tail between your legs. Do we really need to go there again? Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a laugh, but it's life pelting a puppy with stones. After a while it just seems cruel
I do enjoy your visits though, brief as they may be :wink:
looks impressive! is it still running a std headgasket etc too?
certainly is, whole engine is totally standard, the only non standard bits are an exhaust, omex 600 and the charger :)
cool, be intresting to see how it peforms!
from what I've been told it's QUICK lol
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 19:00
Cam'd, ITB'd twice, supercharged, thrashed endlessly on track, 100k standard engine, clutch and box... never failed, great huh? It also survived a track day with 2 live lol.
Welcome to come see for yourself Bobby, that's if you're not too busy being an E-thug. I could lay down a challenge to make a fool of you (yes, again), but i'd be wasting my time as you would talk a (relatively) good game before whimpering off with you tail between your legs. Do we really need to go there again? Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a laugh, but it's life pelting a puppy with stones. After a while it just seems cruel
I do enjoy your visits though, brief as they may be :wink:
OK, here is the challenge. My 175 bhp v your 240 around curborough sprint track. No prizes other than glory. You drive. I drive. We both pay equal to the hiring of the cost and everyone from here and CS can come and see you beat me. Run alternatley all day, best aggregate 3 times.
I tell you what, if you want a sprint day.... Go and get some quotes for an airfield and I am sure a few of us would pay to do some sprints for the day. I for one would go as far as the midlands for an airfield day.
As for hiring a circuit for two people? Riiight.
Oh Rob please, do you realise how childish, pathetic and needy you sound? I think it's pretty clear to the folk that suffered you on here in the past that you are nothing more than hot air.
"i'm going to batter you at Donnington..."
"i'm going to batter you at FCS..."
"i'm going to batter you at the next club meet..."
"I'll beat anyone in a 1/4 mile, if i dont I'll run down the strip in my boxers"
Strangely enough none of the above took place... :roll:
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 20:58
Look the challenge is laid down. If other want to come too, fair enough the more the better.If you can find another track then all the good. But i cant do tracks with noise restrictions because my car is waty above the 100 db value.
You can hire curborough for a few hundred quid, so its no big deal two ppl hiring it. Many ppl hire it for themselves for the day to just practice.
But let me know in advance, if there are going to be people watching, i need to book a hair appointment in advance.
I would do an RS day, but the sight of JT and Lee together gives me goose bumps.
rob-legend
17-04-2009, 20:59
:lol:
Link of said track/sprint area you can hire for £400?!
What are the health and safety requirements? Just sign a clause? As I am suprised we could hire it without the need of marshalls etc. If thats the case I will chip in and give you a race tbh...
rob-legend
17-04-2009, 21:37
:lol:
that was at jesus' comment btw
Richardcard1974
17-04-2009, 22:01
Ok serious question.
Will your car need a spoiler for more downforce?
Can we get a full cost break down of the price paid per bhp over that which you had on the throttle bodies please?
Ie cost of this minus the money made from selling the throttle bodies / the total bhp gain
Cheers
Why, what does that have to do with anyting? I dont do it to turn a profit or as an investment, this is a hobby and something I enjoy doing. All you need to know is cheaper than buying another car of equal performance.
Now where talking, what cars are of equal performance? awesome car byw 8) get it to the pod, would be interesting to know what its capable of :twisted:
Plus what if I said it was all free, would you lose sleep Robert?
Ok serious question.
Will your car need a spoiler for more downforce?
about time.. known you six years the fist serious question ever..
reply :D
Will there be cake at this race?
I like cake
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 09:46
Will there be cake at this race?
I like cake
Sorry i just checked the menu and there is only humble pie. I could bring some sour grapes if you like?
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 09:47
Ok serious question.
Will your car need a spoiler for more downforce?
about time.. known you six years the fist serious question ever..
reply :D
Does your spoiler produce downforce?
fasterthanjesus
18-04-2009, 12:23
fookin ell. has h from steps come back from the dead?
if so, i will drive back to see this challenge!
ps mods, can i change my name to further than jesus?
8)
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 12:49
fookin ell. has h from steps come back from the dead?
if so, i will drive back to see this challenge!
ps mods, can i change my name to further than jesus?
8)
Can i change my name to morereliablethanjesus?
fasterthanjesus
18-04-2009, 13:11
more reliable than jesus ?
your car may be more reliable than mine has been.
as for you....
you have never let me down. you always keep coming back here and within 3 minutes your a cunt.
more reliable than jesus ?
your car may be more reliable than mine has been.
as for you....
you have never let me down. you always keep coming back here and within 3 minutes your a c**t.
:D
i heard he even managed to get a ban from youtube
for ghey rights violation :shock: :shock:
Everyone meet King Stromba (yes the one that looks like a tango man version of Nicky Clarke).
I'm not hiring Curborough, neither are you. How are you going to afford to do that when you cant pay the bills to keep your site running? :roll:
Loser.
you mean his site didn't collapse from the vast amount of traffic??
franksvalver
18-04-2009, 16:05
I heard theres a random fella on the internet grapevine looking at getting a site with more bandwidth than google for 5.99 a month to cope with the millions of F7 engines in the world
Ok, thread is a good laugh - no personal slants in one direction any further....
I must have missed something here. :?
I must have missed something here. :?
the roid meister is back from the dead :D
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=50
AH I SEE NOW!...........best not get invoved :)
AH I SEE NOW!...........best not get invoved :)
PLEASE DO !!!! its funny till he gets the ban :D
than it turns FAF :D :lol: :lol:
rob-legend
18-04-2009, 17:22
:lol: encouragement needed?
I LOVE THIS THREAD ALREADY!!
rob-legend
18-04-2009, 17:53
:lol:
bump (to the top of this page) for round 2
:pop:
1995clio16v
18-04-2009, 18:24
Talking of supercharged clios.
Hijacking the thread :lol:
This is SERIOULSY impressive!
The delivery is frightening. And the NOISE! Phwoar!
Id like to know what the gearing/box arrangement is on this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZvcQ27aWmw&feature=PlayList&p=2178EE430121A557&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19
It look terrible like with all the stickers on it!!
1995clio16v
18-04-2009, 18:25
The noise @ 3.00!!!
I cant get over it!!
:shock: 8)
The noise @ 3.00!!!
I cant get over it!!
:shock: 8)
fighter jet springs to mind lol. its the sound of angels :twisted:
I love it, im sat here all in cast chuckling my arse off!!!
To be fair, regarding track hire, its not as expensive as people think....remember we are talking sprint stages, not Donnington Park etc.
I think in all seriousness we should arrange a weekend sometime (when some of us have finnished our cars :P ), get rid of all the forum agro, and just have a laugh with a mini-forum-championship. would be a hell of a laugh.
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 18:53
I love it, im sat here all in cast chuckling my arse off!!!
To be fair, regarding track hire, its not as expensive as people think....remember we are talking sprint stages, not Donnington Park etc.
I think in all seriousness we should arrange a weekend sometime (when some of us have finnished our cars :P ), get rid of all the forum agro, and just have a laugh with a mini-forum-championship. would be a hell of a laugh.
Sadevs versus the chocolate box boys.
so its more about total mass of air, a big ass volume from a supercharger at lower psi will be same as a smaller amount of air at a greater pressure from a turbo
As Dan says, its more about the exhaust restriction. With no turbo there, the is lower pressure when the exhaust valve opens, so spent gas can evacuate easier.
If head/cam/intake manifold is the same, an inlet plenum pressure of 0.5bar is the same no matter if its from a S/C or turbo. Yes, there will be varitaion with rpm and heat transfer (adiabatic efficiency if you wanna get posh), but fundamentally its the same.
The other thing to bconsider is the cam profile and cam timing. Std cams and timing will be ALOT better suited for a S/C engine than for a turbocharged engine.
Coops, im guessing your cams are std??
As Neal asked, would be intresting to see what the power consumption of the S/C. Yes though, it will increase with pressure being created.
so its more about total mass of air, a big ass volume from a supercharger at lower psi will be same as a smaller amount of air at a greater pressure from a turbo
Volume cant/doesnt change, what changes is density due to pressure.
As Dan says, its more about the exhaust restriction. With no turbo there, the is lower pressure when the exhaust valve opens, so spent gas can evacuate easier.
If head/cam/intake manifold is the same, an inlet plenum pressure of 0.5bar is the same no matter if its from a S/C or turbo. Yes, there will be varitaion with rpm and heat transfer (adiabatic efficiency if you wanna get posh), but fundamentally its the same.
The other thing to bconsider is the cam profile and cam timing. Std cams and timing will be ALOT better suited for a S/C engine than for a turbocharged engine.
Coops, im guessing your cams are std??
As Neal asked, would be intresting to see what the power consumption of the S/C. Yes though, it will increase with pressure being created, and also rpm alone.
I love it, im sat here all in cast chuckling my arse off!!!
To be fair, regarding track hire, its not as expensive as people think....remember we are talking sprint stages, not Donnington Park etc.
I think in all seriousness we should arrange a weekend sometime (when some of us have finnished our cars :P ), get rid of all the forum agro, and just have a laugh with a mini-forum-championship. would be a hell of a laugh.
There would be no aggro, as that's all it is, forum aggro. The chances of Rob actually showing up so he can be make to look an idiot (again) are slim to none fella. Everyone else however gets on anyway, just little Bobby that cant play nice.
Sadevs versus the chocolate box boys.
Sadev's are only rated to 200lbs/ft. Do they make one for quick cars?
They will take alot more than 200lb.ft. I know thats what Sadev rate them to, but in practice they exceed that.
They are ALOT better developed in terms of durability and component strength than a Renault item.
I know lads that race with 250+lb.ft turbocharged clios using the seq boxes, and other than routine (yearly) maintenance, they have no issues.
As for meeting up and having a bit of club fun, im sure Rob would be up for it :D
Im game if everyone else is.
MatBrown
18-04-2009, 20:37
(when some of us have finished our cars :P )
Here is the stumbling block!
Chances of everyone having their cars on the road at the same time?
Mat.
are GDI still developing the s/c kit to retain aircon etc? seen pics of a engine with the charger close to the gearbox running its own belt/drive set up etc
sideways danny
18-04-2009, 20:50
are GDI still developing the s/c kit to retain aircon etc? seen pics of a engine with the charger close to the gearbox running its own belt/drive set up etc
weighing up the cost and see how the non AC version goes. Likely to happen :) not rushing it though
thats fair enough, will they all be based on a standalone ecu set up aswell?
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 21:15
Try a hewland box then.
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 21:22
I love it, im sat here all in cast chuckling my arse off!!!
To be fair, regarding track hire, its not as expensive as people think....remember we are talking sprint stages, not Donnington Park etc.
I think in all seriousness we should arrange a weekend sometime (when some of us have finnished our cars :P ), get rid of all the forum agro, and just have a laugh with a mini-forum-championship. would be a hell of a laugh.
There would be no aggro, as that's all it is, forum aggro. The chances of Rob actually showing up so he can be make to look an idiot (again) are slim to none fella. Everyone else however gets on anyway, just little Bobby that cant play nice.
Sadevs versus the chocolate box boys.
Sadev's are only rated to 200lbs/ft. Do they make one for quick cars?
Give me some time to get a tan and let me do my hair and i can be on any circuit within a month. Car is ready to go.
They will take alot more than 200lb.ft. I know thats what Sadev rate them to, but in practice they exceed that.
They are ALOT better developed in terms of durability and component strength than a Renault item.
I know lads that race with 250+lb.ft turbocharged clios using the seq boxes, and other than routine (yearly) maintenance, they have no issues.
As for meeting up and having a bit of club fun, im sure Rob would be up for it :D
Im game if everyone else is.
yes but would not offer a guarantee on a 6 grand box..so was not willing to take the risk over 300bhp..
will upgrade to a hewland if i have any issue's with mine in the future but its been faultless to date..well done bernie
sideways danny
18-04-2009, 21:43
thats fair enough, will they all be based on a standalone ecu set up aswell?
It will only be mechanical changes :)
Richardcard1974
18-04-2009, 22:38
They will take alot more than 200lb.ft. I know thats what Sadev rate them to, but in practice they exceed that.
They are ALOT better developed in terms of durability and component strength than a Renault item.
I know lads that race with 250+lb.ft turbocharged clios using the seq boxes, and other than routine (yearly) maintenance, they have no issues.
As for meeting up and having a bit of club fun, im sure Rob would be up for it :D
Im game if everyone else is.
yes but would not offer a guarantee on a 6 grand box..so was not willing to take the risk over 300bhp..
will upgrade to a hewland if i have any issue's with mine in the future but its been faultless to date..well done bernie
You have to drive it before it breaks mate.
They will take alot more than 200lb.ft. I know thats what Sadev rate them to, but in practice they exceed that.
They are ALOT better developed in terms of durability and component strength than a Renault item.
I know lads that race with 250+lb.ft turbocharged clios using the seq boxes, and other than routine (yearly) maintenance, they have no issues.
As for meeting up and having a bit of club fun, im sure Rob would be up for it :D
Im game if everyone else is.
yes but would not offer a guarantee on a 6 grand box..so was not willing to take the risk over 300bhp..
will upgrade to a hewland if i have any issue's with mine in the future but its been faultless to date..well done bernie
:D
You need to get some miles on it, im back in Abertawe in a couple of weeks....you promised me some flowers and a get well card :oops:
franksvalver
19-04-2009, 01:44
(when some of us have finished our cars :P )
:D as Mat said...what are the chances
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Stromba, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
Where is S.Wales you going pal?
fasterthanjesus
19-04-2009, 13:24
new south wales hopefully. :lol:
franksvalver
19-04-2009, 15:38
:P :lol: :oops:
Yea you should feel guilty you cripple x
are GDI still developing the s/c kit to retain aircon etc? seen pics of a engine with the charger close to the gearbox running its own belt/drive set up etc
weighing up the cost and see how the non AC version goes. Likely to happen :) not rushing it though
I really want to keep my aircon! any rough costs on how much that would cost?
Richardcard1974
19-04-2009, 19:14
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
Are these the M3s that fly past you in the track day posted on youtube or other M3s?
Why don't you both just enter a proper marshalled sprint or hillclimb, Rod on here organises these and I don't think they are very expensive, all you need is a National B license (30 odd quid) and you're away, I think it would be a fair comparison test anyway...
Why don't you both just enter a proper marshalled sprint or hillclimb, Rod on here organises these and I don't think they are very expensive, all you need is a National B license (30 odd quid) and you're away, I think it would be a fair comparison test anyway...
or just stop braggin about who has the largest member and enjoy cars for what they are not by prooving stuff with them?
Are these the M3s that fly past you in the track day posted on youtube or other M3s?
It was a non CSL and I wasn't in the car, Darren and Dan were and it was pure straight line stuff and Darren can drive very well. I've never said I was a good driver, but then I dont need to be, I just buy more mods ;)
I have a friend that's a doctor, I can get you a perscription for 2 testicles if you like? Just think, you'd have a pair of balls then so you could actually back up all your trash talk.
Why don't you both just enter a proper marshalled sprint or hillclimb, Rod on here organises these and I don't think they are very expensive, all you need is a National B license (30 odd quid) and you're away, I think it would be a fair comparison test anyway...
or just stop braggin about who has the largest member and enjoy cars for what they are not by prooving stuff with them?
Exactly, I have absolutely nothing to prove, I'm happy with the car, Rob is just a jealous and bitter little boy. It's not his fault, the steroids make him this way, he's a total coward in person.
Richardcard1974
19-04-2009, 22:45
Why don't you both just enter a proper marshalled sprint or hillclimb, Rod on here organises these and I don't think they are very expensive, all you need is a National B license (30 odd quid) and you're away, I think it would be a fair comparison test anyway...
Good plan. Best pick one about 200 miles away, so Jon can look for some 'boy racer types on the way'.
'Theres one. No wait, thats my reflection in the windscreen'
I'll get this cleaned up tomorrow when I'm not logged into work. Dont worry about Rob folks, his stay is only a brief one
sideways danny
20-04-2009, 00:34
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
Are these the M3s that fly past you in the track day posted on youtube or other M3s?
the video from september? The supercharger went on in the last 3 weeks
Hard of thinking much?
safe to say he wont really be able to understand... both of us before driving it thought 400bhp would be good, however having driven it as it is, **** that... that's too much power lol. Wont be going much over 300bhp after rebuild!
hybridhughes
20-04-2009, 21:26
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
yeah right i disagree as i have raced the original supercharged 172 that was built with around 60bhp more than yours in my m3 and there was very little between them
when you coming over jesus ???
Why don't you both just enter a proper marshalled sprint or hillclimb, Rod on here organises these and I don't think they are very expensive, all you need is a National B license (30 odd quid) and you're away, I think it would be a fair comparison test anyway...
lmnao......cos rob cant drive......and the day wud be held up trying to get his mangled car out the 1st tree...the bitch tits being the biggest stumbling block ;)
hows the new front end on 0002 btw rob?? lol
cliolord
20-04-2009, 23:55
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
welcome to the club Jon 8)
cliolord
20-04-2009, 23:56
I love it, im sat here all in cast chuckling my arse off!!!
To be fair, regarding track hire, its not as expensive as people think....remember we are talking sprint stages, not Donnington Park etc.
I think in all seriousness we should arrange a weekend sometime (when some of us have finnished our cars :P ), get rid of all the forum agro, and just have a laugh with a mini-forum-championship. would be a hell of a laugh.
Count me in, would be brilliant if you ask me!
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
yeah right i disagree as i have raced the original supercharged 172 that was built with around 60bhp more than yours in my m3 and there was very little between them
I had no trouble keeping with E46 M3 with cams and ITB's... no problem at all. They are only 220bhp/ton... you are also comparing different rollers too, so figures mean little. Especially some of the ones regarding Gaz's car, doesn't really give me any confidence in them tbh
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 09:00
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
Are these the M3s that fly past you in the track day posted on youtube or other M3s?
the video from september? The supercharger went on in the last 3 weeks
Hard of thinking much?
No i am not hard of thinking. I got my PhD for the university of East Anglia. Where did you get yours mister?
Chris n`nic
21-04-2009, 09:22
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
Are these the M3s that fly past you in the track day posted on youtube or other M3s?
the video from september? The supercharger went on in the last 3 weeks
Hard of thinking much?
No i am not hard of thinking. I got my PhD for the university of East Anglia. Where did you get yours mister?
Shouldn't that be "I got my PhD FROM the university....."?
Guess there is no accounting for education ;)
Chris n`nic
21-04-2009, 09:38
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
yeah right i disagree as i have raced the original supercharged 172 that was built with around 60bhp more than yours in my m3 and there was very little between them
?!
So a clio weighing 1059kgs and having 320bhp is only about the same as an M3 with around 20bhp more but weighing nearly half a ton more!?
I'm guessing that the car in question is not 320bhp...only imo of course
Chris
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 10:59
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Why were you so much slower than the M3s in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ji9B8gXPV8&feature=channel_page
1.33 - M3 goes past
3.41 - Skyline goes past
5.20 - M3 goes past
Did you pass ANYTHING all day?
I doubt if even with this supercharger you would keep up. Btter to start with a fast base car rather than chucking money at a car not suited to big power?
Probably because a CSL is faster than my car was in that spec and they were running slicks.
I've charged the car because I want to, not for any other reason. Why do you care so much? Get a real job that pays real money and you could get something half decent Rob, maybe then you might not be so bitter and jealous?
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Why were you so much slower than the M3s in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ji9B8gXPV8&feature=channel_page
1.33 - M3 goes past
3.41 - Skyline goes past
5.20 - M3 goes past
Did you pass ANYTHING all day?
I doubt if even with this supercharger you would keep up. Btter to start with a fast base car rather than chucking money at a car not suited to big power?
Witty banter maybe but comming from someone who talks the talk and has never walked the walk then it can only be hot air...
You have always gone on about whats best, your cars got this and thats crap and this is best when you havent tried any of it in competition so frankly again your opinion doent count for much.
Regards to your car (which i think you have had to sell) then i never saw it going so can not comment if it was any good or not. You always stated you were going to sprint it but again nothing happened, hot air again.
Education PhD's well what can i say you should say thanks to everyone on this forum that pay taxes, you dont seem to have done anything with our money. My recommendation is get a job, get your own house, get a car, use it and then you can contribute to the conversation..
There are some great people on this forum with great experience to share, unfortunately you dont seem to be one of them.
Rant over.....
cliolord
21-04-2009, 12:04
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
yeah right i disagree as i have raced the original supercharged 172 that was built with around 60bhp more than yours in my m3 and there was very little between them
I had no trouble keeping with E46 M3 with cams and ITB's... no problem at all. They are only 220bhp/ton... you are also comparing different rollers too, so figures mean little. Especially some of the ones regarding Gaz's car, doesn't really give me any confidence in them tbh
and that supercharged 172 was dog shit mate. I was entering his boot lid when I "raced" that even though he wasn't "racing" I have also pulled from a flat out E46 M3, they are quick cars and did shock me, but with my 209bhp / 180lb/ft it was more than enough! 8)
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:43
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Why were you so much slower than the M3s in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ji9B8gXPV8&feature=channel_page
1.33 - M3 goes past
3.41 - Skyline goes past
5.20 - M3 goes past
Did you pass ANYTHING all day?
I doubt if even with this supercharger you would keep up. Btter to start with a fast base car rather than chucking money at a car not suited to big power?
Witty banter maybe but comming from someone who talks the talk and has never walked the walk then it can only be hot air...
You have always gone on about whats best, your cars got this and thats crap and this is best when you havent tried any of it in competition so frankly again your opinion doent count for much.
Regards to your car (which i think you have had to sell) then i never saw it going so can not comment if it was any good or not. You always stated you were going to sprint it but again nothing happened, hot air again.
Education PhD's well what can i say you should say thanks to everyone on this forum that pay taxes, you dont seem to have done anything with our money. My recommendation is get a job, get your own house, get a car, use it and then you can contribute to the conversation..
There are some great people on this forum with great experience to share, unfortunately you dont seem to be one of them.
Rant over.....
How do you know what i have and havnt done? In the long list of people i inform about my daily life, you would appear on the list somewhere between the slugs in my garden and next doors cat.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:44
well, drove the charged 172 yesterday... Robert Barrington, you really have no idea son, that's all there is to it :lol:
Going to take it for a blast to South Wales today, will report back later, but at the moment it's already fast enough to give M3's a headstart, before reeling and passing them like they're in reverse.
yeah right i disagree as i have raced the original supercharged 172 that was built with around 60bhp more than yours in my m3 and there was very little between them
I had no trouble keeping with E46 M3 with cams and ITB's... no problem at all. They are only 220bhp/ton... you are also comparing different rollers too, so figures mean little. Especially some of the ones regarding Gaz's car, doesn't really give me any confidence in them tbh
and that supercharged 172 was dog s**t mate. I was entering his boot lid when I "raced" that even though he wasn't "racing" I have also pulled from a flat out E46 M3, they are quick cars and did shock me, but with my 209bhp / 180lb/ft it was more than enough! 8)
Any vids?
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:44
Probably because a CSL is faster than my car was in that spec and they were running slicks.
I've charged the car because I want to, not for any other reason. Why do you care so much? Get a real job that pays real money and you could get something half decent Rob, maybe then you might not be so bitter and jealous?
www.housepricecrash.co.uk
Oh dear.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:45
Probably because a CSL is faster than my car was in that spec and they were running slicks.
I've charged the car because I want to, not for any other reason. Why do you care so much? Get a real job that pays real money and you could get something half decent Rob, maybe then you might not be so bitter and jealous?
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/#statistics
Oh dear
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:46
Probably because a CSL is faster than my car was in that spec and they were running slicks.
I've charged the car because I want to, not for any other reason. Why do you care so much? Get a real job that pays real money and you could get something half decent Rob, maybe then you might not be so bitter and jealous?
http://www.propertysnake.co.uk/
Oh dear.
Evogone - couldn't have said it better myself fella. He hates this place and the people on it and anyone here that's met him cant stand him so I really dont know why he's here. I think it's a confidence thing really, as he can talk as much crap as he likes behind his keyboard and say the things that he wouldn't dare say in person. I've met Rob countless times and he's shy and unsure of himself in person. This "King Stromba" act is the person he aspires to be... why I dont know. Issues quite frankly. Still, it gets people posting, even if to do nothing other than tell him he's an idiot, so we'll use him until we're bored or it starts getting silly, then clean his posts and he can go back to the more familiar status of "B A N N E D" :lol:
Gaz - I think a RR day on the superflow is in order personally, I'm far from convinced about some of the figures some places get when they dont seem to back up real world tests. I remember gettnig a dyno run of 240bhp on one RR when there was simply no way given the mods I had lol
cliolord
21-04-2009, 12:47
I'm sure I can sort you out a video sir Barrington
Rob, house price crashes interest me not, I dont have a mortgage or financial worries thanks.
Right, think we need to start cleaning your posts up tbh, stay on topic.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 12:51
Rob, house price crashes interest me not, I dont have a mortgage or financial worries thanks.
Right, think we need to start cleaning your posts up tbh, stay on topic.
You dont have a mortgage or you dont have mortgage worries?
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Why were you so much slower than the M3s in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ji9B8gXPV8&feature=channel_page
1.33 - M3 goes past
3.41 - Skyline goes past
5.20 - M3 goes past
Did you pass ANYTHING all day?
I doubt if even with this supercharger you would keep up. Btter to start with a fast base car rather than chucking money at a car not suited to big power?
Witty banter maybe but comming from someone who talks the talk and has never walked the walk then it can only be hot air...
You have always gone on about whats best, your cars got this and thats crap and this is best when you havent tried any of it in competition so frankly again your opinion doent count for much.
Regards to your car (which i think you have had to sell) then i never saw it going so can not comment if it was any good or not. You always stated you were going to sprint it but again nothing happened, hot air again.
Education PhD's well what can i say you should say thanks to everyone on this forum that pay taxes, you dont seem to have done anything with our money. My recommendation is get a job, get your own house, get a car, use it and then you can contribute to the conversation..
There are some great people on this forum with great experience to share, unfortunately you dont seem to be one of them.
Rant over.....
How do you know what i have and havnt done? In the long list of people i inform about my daily life, you would appear on the list somewhere between the slugs in my garden and next doors cat.
Everyone seems to know your a bit of a plonker behind the keyboard....my dealing with you is that you dont really know a lot and give questionable advise oh and come across quite arrogant.
Regards houses this is the best time to buy a house ..!!!!!! Doh..cash is king, buy cheap rent out cover costs and get some return (there are some bargains about!!). Wait few years til prices go back up and sell cion the cash and pay of your mortgage.. :wink:
I dont know of one person who thinks otherwise.. :D
Rob, house price crashes interest me not, I dont have a mortgage or financial worries thanks.
Right, think we need to start cleaning your posts up tbh, stay on topic.
You dont have a mortgage or you dont have mortgage worries?
House is paid for, hence I dont care.
Check your PM's, final warning Robert.
Locked by me.
Waay off topic.
Re-opened....
Jamie.
cliolord
21-04-2009, 15:59
thats more like it 8)
Unlocked, prior to be cleaned
very! :D
his posts lately remind me of Al Gore on South Park
'I'm super serial... why wont anyone believe me :( :( :('
even gordon brown would say "sorry" and leave by now .
where is your pride rob ?? :?
abit off topic sorry but ive also raced a few e46 m3's and my car will quite happily sits side by side with them upto 100, tend to always run out of road after that. i still love them tho and would have one in a heart beat as they are so much better cars in everyway than a clio imo plus once worked on things get very vey quick, us boys are getting 900+ whp with turbos now :lol:
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
Why were you so much slower than the M3s in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ji9B8gXPV8&feature=channel_page
1.33 - M3 goes past
3.41 - Skyline goes past
5.20 - M3 goes past
Did you pass ANYTHING all day?
I doubt if even with this supercharger you would keep up. Btter to start with a fast base car rather than chucking money at a car not suited to big power?
rob......the m3s there on the day were the csl variety, all on slicks, not 1 of them standard. the skylines etc again, werent exactly standard...think quite a few of em are actually time attack cars.
yes we passed a few cars, i mean look how it passed the porka within 40 secs of the vid, not to mention the civic type r, .........and lets not forget the ex cup car 172 that couldnt catch us.....neither could the mini cooper s cup car thing...think it was k-tecs.........not 100% sure on that tho. u also dont see the m3s behind us taking turns to pirouette out the corners..
now......we were in a faster car than them that day.......but then, with a value nearing the 100k mark.......id be pretty upset if it wasnt the quickest thing there lol....from 30-40 mph up to 160+..........and thats just on the start/finish straight.
oh........and that was on road tyres too ;)
when you gunna stop spoutin shit........and actually put ur money where your oversize mouth is?? iv lost count of the amount of times ur mint 0002, oversprayed from previous repairs of course, williams track car, williams rally car etc etc etc have supposed to have been showing us the way round somewhere, only for them not to materialise at all.
abit off topic sorry but ive also raced a few e46 m3's and my car will quite happily sits side by side with them upto 100
:shock:
cliolord
21-04-2009, 17:20
abit off topic sorry but ive also raced a few e46 m3's and my car will quite happily sits side by side with them upto 100, tend to always run out of road after that. i still love them tho and would have one in a heart beat as they are so much better cars in everyway than a clio imo plus once worked on things get very vey quick, us boys are getting 900+ whp with turbos now :lol:
M3 E46 HPF Stage 2 turbo kit eh? they are just stupidly over powered....would not want to drive one with one of those kits on i tell ya.
Again sorry to spam but watch these 2 videos :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6_mO3NAO8[/url
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzBjRppSKqY&feature=channel_page Death wish.com!
I pasted a lada riva once.
No really!
abit off topic sorry but ive also raced a few e46 m3's and my car will quite happily sits side by side with them upto 100
:shock:
why you shocked?, a std e46 m3 coupe will do the qtr around 13.6 @ 106mph, ive done it in 13.9 @ 99. granted that the ones ive raced have all been from a rolling start ie i seek them out on the motorway :wink: but there really is'nt anything in it to 100. give it a try i think you'll be surprised :D
hybridhughes
21-04-2009, 18:49
exactly my thoughts Chris, I've already had this "discussion" with Paul on C16valver as I found his figures inconsistent and unrealistic to say the least. Cars making variations of upto 20bhp and the 'slower' of the two runs almost a second quicker down the strip with 7-8mph quicker terminals... hybridhughes is entitled to his opinion, but it's upto him if he wants to go there again, as tbh there's more to support the figures as being pie in the sky than not. All imo of course.
right im not getting into the bickering like some other people on here im not saying i kept up with pauls clio he did have the edge on me yes but i had much better traction than him plus it was the same day that the stadard engine was letting go. im afraid i will be going back to use paul at rs tuning as i work there, and yes you are right all dynos read different.
Ironically 106mph is the speed mine trapped at with cams, ITB's and on an airfield when it was RR'd at 217bhp. With 100bhp more I'd expect to dry hump one to the moon and back!
Try a hewland box then.
from hewland..
A: We do not wish to seem unhelpful, but we have no products intended for street use- neither upgrade kits or whole gearboxes. Hewland is a specialist racing transmission company. Our goal is to have only happy customers (and therefore not to sell something inappropriate).
Whilst nothing actually stops you fitting a Hewland gearbox for street use, there will likely be installation / manufacturing issues for the clutch and engine interface for you to overcome. In subsequent use, the gear noise and non-synchromesh shifting are elements usually deemed unsuitable for street use and `non-race` drivers. If these factors do not put you off, by all means let us look at the project.
and there suitable box is around 13k without driveshaft clutch bellhousing etc.
Jesus Christ, I could have half a dozen 172's/Williams for that much!
But none would have the best transmission on the market :D
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 22:31
Try a hewland box then.
from hewland..
A: We do not wish to seem unhelpful, but we have no products intended for street use- neither upgrade kits or whole gearboxes. Hewland is a specialist racing transmission company. Our goal is to have only happy customers (and therefore not to sell something inappropriate).
Whilst nothing actually stops you fitting a Hewland gearbox for street use, there will likely be installation / manufacturing issues for the clutch and engine interface for you to overcome. In subsequent use, the gear noise and non-synchromesh shifting are elements usually deemed unsuitable for street use and `non-race` drivers. If these factors do not put you off, by all means let us look at the project.
and there suitable box is around 13k without driveshaft clutch bellhousing etc.
This is the difference between throwing money at an engine and building a properly fast car. The maxi car ran 270 bhp, but it was fast not because of the power, but because of the way it could use it. You can never recreate that in a road car no matter how much money you throw at it. You have to build the whole rally car.
The box, the suspension, the mounts, the shell, and the power all worked together. The leap between a maxi car and anything you see on a forum is staggeringly huge. Wheras the leap between the fastest and slowest cars on the forums is relatively small, suggesting that the modifications we make are not that effective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0zaWN0iGQ
Try driving across the mud at the side of the road like he does in this video in a road car at 100 mile per hour +.
350, 400, 500 bhp is no good. You cant go this fast without the whole (expensive) car (and the skill to use it).
Couldnt agree more to be honest..........
Couldnt agree more to be honest..........
http://mail.colonial.net/~hkaiter/scienceimagesB/sinkhole.jpg
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u agreed with the keyboard ninja :shock: not good
who cares about going that fast round those kind of roads? he wouldn't be able to do that down the Cat & Fiddle in rush hour either way
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u agreed with the keyboard ninja :shock: not good
I'll agree with anyone if I think they are talking sense....
Ive seen Rob in lycra, ninja he is not :lol:
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 23:18
who cares about going that fast round those kind of roads? he wouldn't be able to do that down the Cat & Fiddle in rush hour either way
Renault cared, ragnotti cared, most of the french rally scene cared, i care, and i know other interested in real cars care too.
The only people who dont care are those trying to big up their barry boy road racer cars.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 23:20
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u agreed with the keyboard ninja :shock: not good
I'll agree with anyone if I think they are talking sense....
Ive seen Rob in lycra, ninja he is not :lol:
Ive seen Craig wearing a hedge and lamp post. Not pretty.
I have to say, following my crash (The Trophy where I was not driving) - there is a limit. The actual safe limit on a fast A road can be accomplished by a car which is not perfect and may be labelled poor in the corners.
It's not like you go to work via the ring is it. Sure trackdays you may use a car's full potential, but in reality you will never get near the absolute limit of any cars handaling unless you have a death wish.
I am not saying a car should not be good in the corners but maybe your definition should be reeled in a bit.
I also have to say.... You do know ph1 172's are good in the corners anyway right? Get a bit of a bashing here but there pretty good imo.
Chris n`nic
21-04-2009, 23:27
Please tell me that you haven't just compared the two? I don't think Jon is tryin to race on any rallys....F1 cars are a waste of money too....I bet they can't fly round a forest stage like a Maxi can lol
Chris
It's not like you go to work via the ring is it. Sure trackdays you may use a car's full potential, but in reality you will never get near the absolute limit of any cars handaling unless you have a death wish.
The idea of building a succesful racing car IMO is making it so that the limit is further away from standard as possible, and you try and reach THAT limit. Hence cornering speeds of the maxi car are massively greater than any road car, or "track car".
Rob's right, they are worlds apart. Its a far more capable machine.
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 23:33
I have to say, following my crash (The Trophy where I was not driving) - there is a limit. The actual safe limit on a fast A road can be accomplished by a car which is not perfect and may be labelled poor in the corners.
It's not like you go to work via the ring is it. Sure trackdays you may use a car's full potential, but in reality you will never get near the absolute limit of any cars handaling unless you have a death wish.
I am not saying a car should not be good in the corners but maybe your definition should be reeled in a bit.
I also have to say.... You do know ph1 172's are good in the corners anyway right? Get a bit of a bashing here but there pretty good imo.
Thats the whole pioint. On a road you can get to a limit with even a standard williams. You dont need 300 bhp, and can certainly never use it safely. And on the track, the outright track car on slicks will ALWAYS have the advantage.
The only time a road car like the clio running 300 bhp will have any kind of advantage will be in straight line dual carriage way racing. If thats your thing then fair enough. But to me it seems like a lot of money just to beat a few guy down to maccy d's and lose your licence.
not doing it to race cars on the road or beat them on the track as i dont care. I just enjoy powerful cars... who doesn't?
Some valid points.
Just re-read the post but I have to say when did we start comparing Jon's car to a race car?
That would be when Rob showed up looking for any angle to criticise... quite flattering he's comparing it to race cars though, but it's just a road car... shame he's not bright enough to understand that.
Chris n`nic
21-04-2009, 23:47
Exactly
Topic----------------------------------------------------We are here
Richardcard1974
21-04-2009, 23:48
Some valid points.
Just re-read the post but I have to say when did we start comparing Jon's car to a race car?
I was responding to maxis post about the hewland box and why they are so expensive. Not really comparing to jons car particularly, just the general forum way of hiking the power without a thought for creating a synergism between all the components within the car.
Hiking the power alone IMO take the balance away from the car. You add power, you have to redo the suspension (properly, i dont mean cheap 1000 pound aftermarket coilovers) the shell and the geometry.
There is an exponential inverse curve that the more power you add, the less able you become able to use that power. A clever guy once told me that anything over about 200 bhp in a standard (ish) car is a waste. After that power you have to start throwing stupid money at the shell and suspension to cope. The spec of the group A car backs this assertion up.
Some valid points.
Just re-read the post but I have to say when did we start comparing Jon's car to a race car?
I was responding to maxis post about the hewland box and why they are so expensive. Not really comparing to jons car particularly, just the general forum way of hiking the power without a thought for creating a synergism between all the components within the car.
Hiking the power alone IMO take the balance away from the car. You add power, you have to redo the suspension (properly, i dont mean cheap 1000 pound aftermarket coilovers) the shell and the geometry.
There is an exponential inverse curve that the more power you add, the less able you become able to use that power. A clever guy once told me that anything over about 200 bhp in a standard (ish) car is a waste. After that power you have to start throwing stupid money at the shell and suspension to cope. The spec of the group A car backs this assertion up.
I dont care about synergism or balance, to me that's boring.
... but i dont have cheapo £1000 coilovers either :lol:
who cares about going that fast round those kind of roads? he wouldn't be able to do that down the Cat & Fiddle in rush hour either way
Renault cared, ragnotti cared, most of the french rally scene cared, i care, and i know other interested in real cars care too.
The only people who dont care are those trying to big up their barry boy road racer cars.
give me a 250,000 budget and i will kill a proper maxi.
i wasn't working with the same budget. plus i said if parts fail i will upgrade.
if it ain't broke don't fix it. your still comparing my car to a full budget race team with loads of time money testing. i'm doing mine as i can afford the time.
its like you comparing a kids go kart to a f1 team..pointless...
point is..u cant get ur shoppin n kids in back of a maxi....so for its purposes the std, or tuned road car would be loads faster. it would only need do 1 trip with 4 ppl n shopping....maxi...would take 5 trips.
To be perfectly honest,,,i reckon most people on roads today get more of a buzz from acceleration than from goin round corners quicker than anyone else . your in a line of traffic you see a gap in the distance......squirt the right foot its done......i love it! :lol:
to handle the power fully in my car i admit the chassis is a bit lacking, but no where near as much as mr barrington is making out. i own a slightly tweeked williams, and the turbo, point to point on any road, and i mean ANY road i have driven them both down, the turbo if infinitley quicker,more poised on its 'feet' and corners significantly better than the williams.
corners i have to brake into with the williams can be stomped round in the turbo without a thought, and provided the throttle is treated with respect, power is fed in gently and your not a ham fisted fool with it i can get a hell of a lot more exit speed with the turbo aswell. its all about how the power is used and when, not how much is available. my problem with the williams is, i have to splat the throttle to the floor out of every corner and will the damn thing to go quicker. the turbo has more power than i'll ever need on the public roads, so with sensible use of that power, the car is massively improved over the 'standard' williams clio
Richardcard1974
22-04-2009, 11:38
to handle the power fully in my car i admit the chassis is a bit lacking, but no where near as much as mr barrington is making out. i own a slightly tweeked williams, and the turbo, point to point on any road, and i mean ANY road i have driven them both down, the turbo if infinitley quicker,more poised on its 'feet' and corners significantly better than the williams.
corners i have to brake into with the williams can be stomped round in the turbo without a thought, and provided the throttle is treated with respect, power is fed in gently and your not a ham fisted fool with it i can get a hell of a lot more exit speed with the turbo aswell. its all about how the power is used and when, not how much is available. my problem with the williams is, i have to splat the throttle to the floor out of every corner and will the damn thing to go quicker. the turbo has more power than i'll ever need on the public roads, so with sensible use of that power, the car is massively improved over the 'standard' williams clio
Thats Dr Barrington if you please. :wink:
And i also think your analysis is fair and objective, but would add that i think it is greatly dependent on the road and road surface you are driving on.
surfaces included range from beautiful smooth tarmac, through to pretty roped b roads, potholes on corners, gravel,muddy from farm use etc etc. matters not a jot really. granted the coilovered car will feel more 'lively' on an uneven surface and the williams is more forgiving, but overall the turbo will still navigate those conditions quicker, again as said sticking to a respectful use of the go pedal
doctor
Richardcard1974
22-04-2009, 12:09
surfaces included range from beautiful smooth tarmac, through to pretty roped b roads, potholes on corners, gravel,muddy from farm use etc etc. matters not a jot really. granted the coilovered car will feel more 'lively' on an uneven surface and the williams is more forgiving, but overall the turbo will still navigate those conditions quicker, again as said sticking to a respectful use of the go pedal
doctor
I wont argue with you because i agree with what you say and have seen that you have intelligently tried to improve the car as a whole not just the engine.
LOL, my suspension is worth more than that oversprayed press whore with the front end damage and non original engine.
If you'd not been banned so many times you might have a scooby as to the spec of my car Robert... sadly you wont find out ;)
Richardcard1974
22-04-2009, 12:50
LOL, my suspension is worth more than that oversprayed press whore with the front end damage and non original engine.
If you'd not been banned so many times you might have a scooby as to the spec of my car Robert... sadly you wont find out ;)
Im not really interested in your car hat much tbh. I thing coops car is a better spec.
that's great, you can sign out now then, close your browser window and forget your logon ;)
Chris n`nic
22-04-2009, 13:16
LOL, my suspension is worth more than that oversprayed press whore with the front end damage and non original engine.
If you'd not been banned so many times you might have a scooby as to the spec of my car Robert... sadly you wont find out ;)
Im not really interested in your car hat much tbh. I thing coops car is a better spec.
Possibly the best sentence I have ever read!
Turbos are witchcraft and should be banned
cliolord
22-04-2009, 14:03
lol @ this thread. I find with coilover, on smooth tarmac and fast sweeping corners their idea but get to the slow unevening surfaces and they bump steer like a kangaroo, understeering if your not careful. Power is, as coops said, not an issue if your not a tool trying to make your car feel faster than it is by squeeling tyres full of wheel spin through corners. Although, that it's easy to get the stock car on the limit with entry speeds maximised and carrying the speeds through the corner a car with significant power increases will struggle to follow if they are not completely on the ball. Then, in reality your probably causing danger to other road users, especially on the A roads where most corners are normally blind ones...What's to say a broken down car isn't around that next tight right hander which your entering at 50mph? :shock:
simonr85
22-04-2009, 14:26
who cares about going that fast round those kind of roads? he wouldn't be able to do that down the Cat & Fiddle in rush hour either way
Renault cared, ragnotti cared, most of the french rally scene cared, i care, and i know other interested in real cars care too.
The only people who dont care are those trying to big up their barry boy road racer cars.
give me a 250,000 budget and i will kill a proper maxi.
i wasn't working with the same budget. plus i said if parts fail i will upgrade.
if it ain't broke don't fix it. your still comparing my car to a full budget race team with loads of time money testing. i'm doing mine as i can afford the time.
its like you comparing a kids go kart to a f1 team..pointless...
i agree maxi, I have a 106bhp R6 go kart, it still puts in slower laps at the track i go to than a proper bought go kart, but on the straight its like they are in reverse and hitting 18k is mighty fun! cant imagine the people in there karts have as much fun as we do, and it didnt cost us much to build compared to buying a go kart.
cliolord
22-04-2009, 14:31
who cares about going that fast round those kind of roads? he wouldn't be able to do that down the Cat & Fiddle in rush hour either way
Renault cared, ragnotti cared, most of the french rally scene cared, i care, and i know other interested in real cars care too.
The only people who dont care are those trying to big up their barry boy road racer cars.
give me a 250,000 budget and i will kill a proper maxi.
i wasn't working with the same budget. plus i said if parts fail i will upgrade.
if it ain't broke don't fix it. your still comparing my car to a full budget race team with loads of time money testing. i'm doing mine as i can afford the time.
its like you comparing a kids go kart to a f1 team..pointless...
i agree maxi, I have a 106bhp R6 go kart, it still puts in slower laps at the track i go to than a proper bought go kart, but on the straight its like they are in reverse and hitting 18k is mighty fun! cant imagine the people in there karts have as much fun as we do, and it didnt cost us much to build compared to buying a go kart.
Notice a key word there fella's, "FUN" :wink:
simonr85
22-04-2009, 14:38
exactly its all about fun, and who doesnt like blasting off Beemers or other expensive motors in there humble little clio, even if thejesus' clio is the "gay" mk2 model :lol: :wink: :lol: :D
It was a tree :lol:
is the tree allright ?? :D
exactly its all about fun, and who doesnt like blasting off Beemers or other expensive motors in there humble little clio, even if thejesus' clio is the "gay" mk2 model :lol: :wink: :lol: :D
lol.....well said....... and this car is fun............lots of it lol.
tis very quick too......am impressed.
even tho it does look like a agy homage to gaydom ;)
shut it you lol
1 gallon every 2:20 mins on full throttle :lol:
AV IT
fasterthanjesus
23-04-2009, 11:57
55p a litre here. morefrugalthanjesus
LOL!
Well it's okay when you're not giving it death, it's pretty much like normal... but it's hard to drive that way lol
normal is giving it death............. now im confused....
normal is giving it death............. now im confused....
amen to that !!!!
sideways danny
23-04-2009, 22:51
exactly its all about fun, and who doesnt like blasting off Beemers or other expensive motors in there humble little clio, even if thejesus' clio is the "gay" mk2 model :lol: :wink: :lol: :D
lol.....well said....... and this car is fun............lots of it lol.
tis very quick too......am impressed.
now that's a compliment from a man who's hard to please, and that means something!!! Thankyou :)
credit where its due.
now ........about the f7r ........;) lol
credit where its due.
now ........about the f7r ........;) lol
+1 pls=)
cliolord
24-04-2009, 18:08
credit where its due.
now ........about the f7r ........;) lol
+1 pls=)
+ 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:
Justin..
24-04-2009, 18:09
mmmm charged bodies lol
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