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midge
06-04-2009, 17:41
as title! ive got a williams subframe complete and a valver one, and i will use the williams rack if it is indeed shorter, but want to know for sure, and how can i tell the diffrent?

also both subframes look identical, how can i tell the diffrence between both ?

stevie_b
06-04-2009, 18:48
also both subframes look identical, how can i tell the diffrence between both ?

Weigh them. Valver subframe should be a fair bit lighter than the Willy one.

Winston
06-04-2009, 19:46
They are 100% different rack wise... williams has longer arms iirc

The subframe should have an extra skin on the underside... you can't miss it tbh

MatBrown
06-04-2009, 19:47
Williams subframe has an extra skin on the bottom.


Mat.

Coops
06-04-2009, 20:21
i think the power steering rack itself is the same isnt it, its the track rod arms themselves that are longer on the williams ones, not the rod ends, the rod itself?be madness to make the expensive bit, i.e. the rack, completely different when i bet they had a bunch kickin about from the valver production runs

MatBrown
06-04-2009, 21:06
I think he means the lock to lock being shorter?


Mat.

midge
06-04-2009, 21:20
yer lock to lock, is it shorter that way.

richy
06-04-2009, 21:25
iirc the williams rack is about 2.5 turns and valver 3 turns

Coops
06-04-2009, 21:58
ah right, want me nip outside and check, 0062 v's turbo lock to lock :wink:

16v_paddy
06-04-2009, 22:03
Well my lock to lock is 2 and 3/4 turns

richy
06-04-2009, 22:09
yeah the valvers are around that, got 2.8 in my head!

coops get to work...

MAXIBOY
06-04-2009, 22:17
think stan said all power steering racks have the same lock including the cup versions..

midge
07-04-2009, 09:08
Coops? you been outside yet? ;)

Coops
07-04-2009, 12:33
i'll do it when i get in tonight :P

Evogone
07-04-2009, 15:00
From my investigations:-

Williams and 16v racks are all 2.8 ratio.

Cup non PAS racks are 3.2 or 3.5 ratio.

There is not a non PAS quick rack, its a myth...

Winston
07-04-2009, 15:07
I have a non PAS quick rack :P

Evogone
07-04-2009, 18:29
I have a non PAS quick rack :P

How many turns is it ? i guess its not a blocked up PAS rack either :wink:

If it is a Clio (not a 5 rack) then its the first i have seen......

Richardcard1974
07-04-2009, 19:29
I have a manual quick rack 2.1 turns lock to lock on my clio.

Evogone
07-04-2009, 19:42
I have a manual quick rack 2.1 turns lock to lock on my clio.

WOW 2.1 ratio rack non PAS, you must have arms like Popeye..!!!

Where did you get that from ? must be a one off...

Richardcard1974
07-04-2009, 19:53
I modified it myself from the rack off another car.


And yes, i have 18 inch arms.