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preston420
25-02-2009, 14:14
my bottom end went on my willy 1 on friday, cudnt belive it since its only got 65k on the clock iv got two choices,

for £500 get this 2nd hand willy 1 engine wiv 43k on the clock witch is off a rite off and only got 1 month warranty but still gotta pay a guy to fit it,

or i no a guy hu can totally recondish my engine to brand new and give me 55 thousand mile gaurantee on the rebuild bottom and top end if needed all for 1400

big fooooking job either way.... so wot u guys think lol :wink: HELLLLLP :wink:

Jamie.
25-02-2009, 14:27
Personally I think I would get yours rebuilt.

There have been a few rebuilt and always end up being the quick un's - although I would shop around a bit to see what you can get. Its also a prime opportunity to get you bottom end lightend and balanced + fly wheel and maybe mild headwork as all labour will be a sunk cost.

If you do buy a s/h one which has had a hard or poor life it certainly wont get you the best from the car but will be cheaper.

How long are you planning to keep it?

preston420
25-02-2009, 14:32
well my engine has just had a new clutch, cambelt, tapit set, major service and loads of other bits but im goin for the re build and get them to sort the whole engine out bak to new and like u sed tweek it a bit for a better job im wanting to keep this car for a very long time mate so wudnt be worth getting that 2nd hand engine, jus wanted sum opions cheers

J o n
25-02-2009, 14:34
I had this problem after Angel Works blocked the oil ways after a badly fitted sump... I ended up getting a new engine as I didn't trust the old one. I'd personally find a nice low mile new as poss Megane BE. I got one for £500 with FRSH and 24k on it, never had any bother with it and it was a nice quick lump.

MatrixGuy
25-02-2009, 14:44
Sorry to hear mate, gutted!

£1400 is alot to spend IMO.

Depends how much you want to keep the car.

Wobba
25-02-2009, 17:11
£1400 is a lot.

Doing an engine swap, provided you have the space/help/tools is not as hard as you may think! In fact many consider it easier than doing several jobs with the engine in car...

You can get another engine, and with it out of the car do the cambelt, all gaskets and waterpump in one easy shot and give the valves a clean yourself quite easily.

Engines that are rebuilt tend to be pretty solid units with good outputs assuming it's a decent job. Can be costly though!

eternalife
25-02-2009, 18:04
As you are in nottingham - speak with MickPM from RSC.
He has done F7R rebuilds before and he charges a very fair price.

J o n
25-02-2009, 18:08
As you are in nottingham - speak with MickPM from RSC.
He has done F7R rebuilds before and he charges a very fair price.

good call, Mick's a good lad and knows his shit.

Tommo
25-02-2009, 18:35
I was in this dilemma a couple of years back, my cambelt snapped and knackered the top end, I opted for a rebuild by my local garage, took them 8 weeks (they are very meticulous!) and cost a small fortune but been very happy with it since and seems to be a bit quicker than it was too, either way good luck mate...

white16valver
25-02-2009, 21:12
Could also give Stan on here a bell too :)

matty w
25-02-2009, 22:50
surely your better off rebuilding yours unless you can get a genuine low mileage bottom end cause most of them claim to be low mileage but arnt

MAXIBOY
25-02-2009, 23:23
agree and if from accident damaged car never no if it ran without oil etc..

plus even standing can damage them...

rebuild and then you know its good as new and have a guarantee plus keep the engine number mated to the correct vehicle...

donsrno1
26-02-2009, 00:37
If you are getting it rebuilt I would stick with a well know clio specialist like stan off here tbh. Thats a hell of a lot of money to spend on the engine and personally I would only hand that over to someone who has a lot of experience with these engines and knows them inside out.

MAXIBOY
26-02-2009, 00:45
i agree stans a great bet...

Tommo
26-02-2009, 10:09
Or Nick Hill...

Wobba
26-02-2009, 11:29
I hear Nick Hill of Hill Power does good a good job on rebuilds, and he may be closer to you as transporting stuff about is a pain. I know MickPM does indeed know his shit too, so depending on what you want to do he may be able to help.

Tommo
26-02-2009, 12:37
Yeah I'd take it to Nick Hill personally as Derby is close to you?? I've only dealt with 2 Renault specialists, Hill Power and Portformance, both good guys, but I hear Stan and MickPM are also very good, best bet is to get a few quotes and take it from there...

preston420
26-02-2009, 14:21
any one no how i can get in contact wiv stan or mick or nick can u let me no asap im really looking to get it in for a really good rebuild cheers and cheers guys for ur thoughts and opions.

stan
26-02-2009, 14:34
my email is info@ap-developments.com

stan
26-02-2009, 14:39
£1400 isnt a bad price, depends on what they are doing..

If its JUST replacing parts, bearings, rings etc etc, then yes its abit on the steep side.

If they are doing it properly, measuring all tolerances and running clearances on the crank, setting piston ring end gaps etc etc, and building it to high and accurate standard, then its a good price.This kind of input DOES make a difference to final output and longevity. The warranty is worth the extra alone, any decent company will have (or SHOULD) proper insurance in place to cover all aspects of indemnity against their work, its therefore worth taking this kind of work to people who know what they are doing with this kind of back-up in place.

white16valver
26-02-2009, 22:34
stan - on a related note, does blueprinting have much of an effect on a willy lump? Just out of interest :)

preston420
23-03-2009, 14:25
rite guy since my bottom end shells went on my willy 1 i finally got the engine out to see the damage and the bottom end shells were gone one had blew it was that bad, so iv had the engine sent a away to have new shells and have it rebord out with oversized piston all so new oil pump and i think there reconing the crank and some other bits also getting the manifold ported and polished, all in all shud take bout 3 weeks but all this for £1600 i dnt think is too bad espsially wen im getting a 55 thousand mile garrantee on it all
so wot u think ?>

iv also befoe the engine went iv sent wiv it a new hks fly wheel which is lighter and changed my thrush brearing,

MAXIBOY
23-03-2009, 17:51
stan - on a related note, does blueprinting have much of an effect on a willy lump? Just out of interest :)

no mate..only any use in race series where mods aren't allowed..

MAXIBOY
23-03-2009, 17:53
rite guy since my bottom end shells went on my willy 1 i finally got the engine out to see the damage and the bottom end shells were gone one had blew it was that bad, so iv had the engine sent a away to have new shells and have it rebord out with oversized piston all so new oil pump and i think there reconing the crank and some other bits also getting the manifold ported and polished, all in all shud take bout 3 weeks but all this for £1600 i dnt think is too bad espsially wen im getting a 55 thousand mile garrantee on it all
so wot u think ?>

iv also befoe the engine went iv sent wiv it a new hks fly wheel which is lighter and changed my thrush brearing,

doesn't sound to bad with new pistons etc..what pistons are they just standard items...why are they porting the manifold as there few gains to be had really..

bendee
23-03-2009, 18:30
might aswell whilst its out and included inthe price?

col
23-03-2009, 19:51
I used a guy called Don loughlan he operates out of Hartlebury Ind est WORC ......hes rebuilt classic maseratti engines an even r5s for racing .

No hes not expensive an he will either rebuild totally or machine allparts etc an let you assemble.

20 mins from junction 5 m5


col