Machine polishing in the north west

[Daz.]

Does anyone know of a good machine polishers where I can get the willy done? it could do with a proffesional buff to match the paint up, one of the wings could do with a decent polish as its not quite buffing up as well as the rest of the car.

[BRUN]

Tony @ Cherished Car Care is your man !

http://www.cherishedcarcare.com/

i had an interior valet done today

[Daz.]

how much was the interior valet?

Just seen the full jobber is £350!

[MatrixGuy]

I do it mate, as a hobby.

I use a rotary polisher with Menzerna polishes

[katbloke]

was gonna suggest matrix, im too far down southwest to get the old pc out

[BRUN]

interior valet was £40

Tony knows what he is doing, and im sorry but your usual hobbyist cant match his standards, he corrects a lot of "ive bought a polisher so im now a detailer" work which isnt up to scratch

ask him for a quote, tell him you know me, though my Clio is up for sale, it was my Fabia vRS he did

[MatrixGuy]

interior valet was £40

Tony knows what he is doing, and im sorry but your usual hobbyist cant match his standards, he corrects a lot of "ive bought a polisher so im now a detailer" work which isnt up to scratch

ask him for a quote, tell him you know me, though my Clio is up for sale, it was my Fabia vRS he did

That was a bit harsh mate.

Me and Katbloke have been members on Detailing World for quite a long time now and we are by no means, "beginners"

I didn't say i was a professional, far from it, but i have machined polished a few cars in over the year i have been doing it and never botched anything. I take my time and care in everything i do and treat any other car like my own.

I was only giving Daz an alternate option if he didn't want to pay the full whack.

[katbloke]

Im sure Bruns on there too, well the username is

[Daz.]

Erk :?

Basically the story is because the cars been in a few wars recently its been to two different shops at different times of the year for new panels and paint - amazingly i'm very impressed with all but one panel - the paint is great but I can't get it to shine properly it needs flatting a little - but I might aswell get the whole car uniformed because apart from the roof every panel has been painted within the last year...

[BRUN]

i apologise matrix, but there are loads of people around now with a PC or G220 who do it as a weekend hobby, and they dont know as much as they should, or have the insurance in place to be working on peoples cars, do you have the insurance ?

if it wont shine properly it might need flatting with some 2000-3000 wet and dry and then compounding etc etc, depends on what its like tbh, what have you tried on it ?

[katbloke]

get someone with a ptg to take laquer readings, it might as brun says require de-orange peeling/ flatting back, i use 2500 3000 grade wet n dry when i need to but it is easy to take off too much or to step up a grade

[Daz.]

To be honest with me working nights i've polished it once or twice quickly by hand so nothing really had been done to it - I only noticed it the other day as I hardly see the car in the daylight these days..

Should be back on days in the new year so I should be able to get it back upto scratch..

[Jamie.]

If someone wants to refurbish my wheels thats no problem :wink:

[katbloke]

If someone wants to refurbish my wheels thats no problem :wink:

never seen your wheels look like they need a refurb

[Jamie.]

If someone wants to refurbish my wheels thats no problem :wink:

never seen your wheels look like they need a refurb

172 wheels look hidious.

[MatrixGuy]

i apologise matrix, but there are loads of people around now with a PC or G220 who do it as a weekend hobby, and they dont know as much as they should, or have the insurance in place to be working on peoples cars, do you have the insurance ?

if it wont shine properly it might need flatting with some 2000-3000 wet and dry and then compounding etc etc, depends on what its like tbh, what have you tried on it ?

It's alright.

I don't have insurance mate so i will stay away, lol.

Brun and Katbloke; how much wetsanding have you done in terms of area on the car?

[katbloke]

me very little, had someone on a bicycle scratch my front wing an area of 3" inlength, so sanded sown with some 1000 then 2500 then 3000 followed by #80 then 83 on sfx 1 & 2 respecfully, came out good but look up very close and you can see it, plus dont like it much without a ptg and that one on dw for 120 is a bargain if i wasnt spending money on a bathroom :(

[BRUN]

ive done it on 3 4"x4" areas in the past, got lots of wet and dry left over in 2000, 2500, and 3000 IIRC

[Tommo]

Hmm just had a look on that cherished car web site, Tony seems to know his stuff. Never matter how hard I try with megs products and a buffer, can never get all swirl marks and sctratches out like he can, it defintely is a skill! May have to give him a buzz and let him loose on the Williams!

[BRUN]

what products have you tried Tommo ?

he also has a paint depth gauge so he can measure how much paint you have so he knows what he has to work with

apparently my Fabia is pretty much 200 microns all around

[katbloke]

nice healthy figure there, i just stick with the old faves of megs #80 & #83 works ok for me, but then i dont trust myself with a rotary yet

[BRUN]

i really would try others, i found 83 and 80 a right PITA !

i think the ones i like the most are the Sonus SFX range or the latest 3M stuff, the Menzerna is good but the work time on it is massive, i havent got the patience or time to work it as much as it needs to be

[Wobba]

I'd like to see some top notch pics of a professionally polished/cleaned Williams actually, before and after would be good :)

[katbloke]

i have 106ff and sonus fx 1 & 2 i think, lime prime etc not tried any 3m yet
wobba ill see when its warmer and if i source a decent light if i can get a 50/50 going or something

[Tommo]

what products have you tried Tommo ?

he also has a paint depth gauge so he can measure how much paint you have so he knows what he has to work with

apparently my Fabia is pretty much 200 microns all around

Just meguiars shampoo, wax and I've got a halfords orbital buffer. It looks good when done, but on closer inspection there are still swirl marks, light scratches etc. I've also got a megs clay bar which I still need to try, would this get swirl marks out?

[BRUN]

no its likely to put more in actually, you will need to polish it after a claying for sure, and if the buffer you have is the big round one that Halfords do id be very careful with the clay

[BRUN]

kat do you not find SFX1 does the same job as the Meguiars but is much easier to work with ?

[Daz.]

I'd like to see some top notch pics of a professionally polished/cleaned Williams actually, before and after would be good :)

potentially watch this space :D

[MatrixGuy]

I love using the menz range, so easy to use and the results are fantastic.

I tried using 3M Fast Cut Plus and Extra Fine but didn't like them much. The polish dried up far too quickly and it was dusty city! Plus they are fairly costly.

Yet to try Megs 80, 83, but they will be my next polishes.... or maybe Finish Kare

[katbloke]

tbh brun not tried sfx1 much i just went by the reccomendation of 80 and 83 for reno paints, mind you that was a few years ago now

[BRUN]

Matrix how much FC did you use ?.......was speaking to Tony the other day and he said you dont need much of it, 2 5p ish sized blobs on your pad and thats enough

i find the extra fine compound (yellow top) fantastic and very easy to work with, no dust or other such problems

[katbloke]

blimey though a detailing thread and no mention of cliosport or i never wash my car

[Daz.]

I never wash my car.

[katbloke]

I never wash my car.

:roll:

[Lunner]

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[MatrixGuy]

Matrix how much FC did you use ?.......was speaking to Tony the other day and he said you dont need much of it, 2 5p ish sized blobs on your pad and thats enough

i find the extra fine compound (yellow top) fantastic and very easy to work with, no dust or other such problems

First time i did use too much but second time round i used a Skittle size amount.... maybe it's just me, lol.

[eternalife]

i apologise matrix, but there are loads of people around now with a PC or G220 who do it as a weekend hobby, and they dont know as much as they should, or have the insurance in place to be working on peoples cars, do you have the insurance ?

if it wont shine properly it might need flatting with some 2000-3000 wet and dry and then compounding etc etc, depends on what its like tbh, what have you tried on it ?

By the same 'school of thought' you should NOT have mechanical work done by anyone other than those who carry insurance.
A Lot of people have had help/work done by other members who of course have no insurance.

'You pay's your money, you get your insurance'....
...and even then there are about a billion clauses within insurance policies to avoid them getting claimed on.

Take renault for example - 12 months warranty on parts, oh but they have to have been fitted by us, if not we will charge £75 per hour to inspect your car if the problem is found to be elsewhere.
Oh look a bolt wasn't at the correct torque and therefore incorrectly fitted, our (numpty) technicians say that was the problem so therefore, that will be £75 and we will not replace the part under warranty - Great warranty(!) - money spinner if I ever saw one.

Do your research well, and you should have no problems finding people you can trust to work on your car. Be it professionals or hobbyists.

[eternalife]

I love using the menz range, so easy to use and the results are fantastic.

I tried using 3M Fast Cut Plus and Extra Fine but didn't like them much. The polish dried up far too quickly and it was dusty city! Plus they are fairly costly.

Yet to try Megs 80, 83, but they will be my next polishes.... or maybe Finish Kare

If you fancy selling the 3M stuff give me a shout :wink:

I prefer 3M over menzerna stuff, menzerna results are awesome - just found them harder to work with/break down, unless temperatures are good.

[BRUN]

obviously its down to the individual, and obviously if you have your car worked on in any way, be it polishing, mechanical etc etc then with a garage you have a come back, with someone doing it for beers you dont, its up to you

i work for Renault and the parts warranty isnt a money spinner at all, its a very good aftercare part of buying genuine parts, if you buy motor factor parts and something goes wrong all you can do is get a replacement part, you would normally have to pay out for labour again, or at the very least a contribution, with the Renault parts warranty, labour for investigation is covered, and re-fitting of the new part, but like you have pointed out, you do have to be certain its been fitted correctly and that the part is definitely the cause of your fault

[cliorod]

I have to agree with BRUN, on this one :wink: :wink: ,I was reuilding a 5GT Turbo engine ~~ a competition one :twisted: I was using OE valves supplied new,For whatever reason after running the motor in carefully,following an oil/filter change,I took the car to a Rolling Road to have it set up .After a couple of power runs,a big bang and that was it :cry: :cry:
Upon a strip down,it was found,that the head of an inlet valve had become detached from the stem and fubarred the engine.
I took the bits and the remaining valves back to my Dealers (Kitchens :wink: )
Within a week a std replacement engine,less ancilleries was awaiting for me, :wink: NO questions asked !!!
Another instance,I had a blow out on a rear New Wheel on the Williams whilst on the motorway,after removing the tyre, I noticed the rim had split ~~ same thing,Brand new replacement. :roll: :roll: .
I always buy O/E standard parts ,and advise people to do the same.

[eternalife]

Having an affiliation with a dealer/manufacturer in anyway other than as a consumer negates the fact your 'cases' may have been looked on preferably/favourably. I am sure relationships built helped in cases mentioned above. I get benefits through my career, although I doubt anyone else will. If we are discussing, needs to be done without objectivity or bias.

Could they have not have claimed that the valve was damaged by yourself upon fitment? items such as this imo would be sample tested and work easily within their parameters (over engineered so to speak) - they could have easily have claimed that damage caused to item at fitment time? and therefore not had to replace? They decided to replace and I am sure they have their reasons for this which are not unbaised.

I typically buy OE parts also, but not for their warranty purposes.
Front strut failure after 3k :roll: - £75 to risk an inspection, or £45 for me to buy another part. Easy choice, as I need my car everyday and rather than the hassle of arguing with - i'd just buy a part and have it fitted.

I also do not trust their technicians at all. One renault dealership in london had their head/chief technicia state 'that pedal ratchet mechanism is an old design' thats why the clutch cable failed......
Turns out the pedal mechanism + cable were the correct design and were done by a specialist down south who was very well known by renault dealership there. When questioning the Head/Chief Technician again, 'oh it looked dusty so I assumed it was the old design :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny how Renault refused to put something on paper, even though the owner couldnt be bothered arguing and the hassle of it all, I would have taken matters further legally. When people (such as the technician) change their story and lie, they have no morals. Their word/warranty has no meaning and in my case will be treated as such.

As said earlier if you have an affiliation or a 'special' relationship with your Renault Dealer, chances of having items replaced under warranty are made a lot more promising :wink:
some Persons are known to get 20% discount from Reno dealerships because they spend ££££££ in there...does not mean everyone will get same treatment at all.

Relating to the Topic in hand, Research into those whose services you employ is what is essential, not the fact they are covered by a warranty/insurance.