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No-one can seem to figure out whats up with my willy...
It WILL not idle when its cold, it chugs, it cuts out, it now accelerates itself you have to hold it on the break to slow it down, it'll chugg some more and stall...
Garage I always (used) to go to ****ed around with the idle screw - cheers for that! turns out the ex renault mechanic who did all my work doesn't work there now - I didn't know this when I dropped it off..
After that it would idle high, then low, then chugg, then cut out etc etc.. I also think the TPS has been taken off and cleaned which I doubt will help..
So far myself I've cleaned out the ISCV, swapped ECU's just incase, looked for any air leaks and thats about the limit of my knowledge.
Took to another garage and got it back, idles a TAD better but still chuggs like crazy, loses all power (you can weld your foot to the floor and it will not do anything, then all of a sudden it'll pick up and shoot you down the road)
There doesn't seem to be anyone local that knows **** all about these engines! Does anyone know how I can get this fixed??
Speedo speed sensor?
Temp sensor?
Coil pack?
Can of worms tbh :(
thing is idle screw should be set and tps set up too..
as neither of these seemed to have cured it..needs a renault diagnostic really
as winston says..could be a number of things..but i'd guess electrical..
so tps, temp sensor, ecu..
busterhymes
17-12-2008, 18:41
have a similar prob maybe not so severe but from cold similar symptoms but when warmed up runs fine and tickover is solid ISCV been cleaned slight improvement but been advised to fill it up with carb cleaner and leave to soak coolant temp sensor changed (gen renault part) been mentioned that lambda issue cant see that as prob from cold and runs fine hot when lambda working TPS untouched as is idle screw on T/body and when i got car it ran
not sure why issue may relate to speedo sensor or coil pack anyone elaborate on that one? believe you can remove ISCV and blank off pipes wonder if this would be useful in eliminating the ISCV as a prob again anyone know how ? also considered whether T/body is gummed up and needs a clean
last option take to renault or contact a specialist who could fault find the prob :? :?
No-one can seem to figure out whats up with my willy...
It WILL not idle when its cold, it chugs, it cuts out, it now accelerates itself you have to hold it on the break to slow it down, it'll chugg some more and stall...
Garage I always (used) to go to f**ked around with the idle screw - cheers for that! turns out the ex renault mechanic who did all my work doesn't work there now - I didn't know this when I dropped it off..
After that it would idle high, then low, then chugg, then cut out etc etc.. I also think the TPS has been taken off and cleaned which I doubt will help..
So far myself I've cleaned out the ISCV, swapped ECU's just incase, looked for any air leaks and thats about the limit of my knowledge.
Took to another garage and got it back, idles a TAD better but still chuggs like crazy, loses all power (you can weld your foot to the floor and it will not do anything, then all of a sudden it'll pick up and shoot you down the road)
There doesn't seem to be anyone local that knows f**k all about these engines! Does anyone know how I can get this fixed??
Having recently gotten the car back on the road. I remembered i have the chugging from cold problem.
And turning the car on from cold, it will at a random moment loose revs nearly cutting out. Then jump back up to normal and not do this again.
So does this sound like the same problem your having?
I had a good long look into the archives. And what i could conjure up is it's the lambda sensor causing the problems.
Only thing is, i have just had a new universal one fitted to get through the mot.
Although in the archives, it was said that universal ones do cause issues..
So perhaps this is related.
I'm tempted to try a proper lambda next month to see if it sorts it.
I ran the car with the CTS off and it ran much rougher and had a delayed rev. So i have ruled that one out personally, but could be worth a try to see what yours does.
The TPS as people say could be an issue. Although this problem seems temperature related, and i only get this issue once. So id rule that out for now.
And Everyone who owns an F7 has a clean ISCV lol, its a standard service part these days. So i wouldn't blame that if it idles all other times.
One thing you could do which is always good on these cars is check all your earths are up to condition.
And another is to check your rocker cover gasket isn't leaking. This caused me no end of idle issues and power loss on my Valver.
Personally my next point of call is going to be the lambda sensor.
What sensor you running/age?
I'd say lambda too
my F4R had similar issues when running on a 1.2 lambda (they're apparently the same) - cured immediately when I stuck a 172 one in though!
Why would the rocker gasket cause cold start issues? when its hot its perfect?
Reason I ask its not that old - I swapped my old rocker cover for a new one and the more I think about it the more its been playing up since then?
bbaazz-08
17-12-2008, 19:55
when were the plugs last changed???
the idle screw shouldnt even touch the butterfly flap dont know why they even have one
when i had this i tried a different ecu and it was the same but yet i tried a third ecu to be sure and the car was perfect
read this
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33158
katbloke
17-12-2008, 20:00
ignition related, leads caps and plugs have all been known to fail when cold and cure emselves when hot
ECU's are 100% fine, CTS was changed a few months ago, plugs no idea not in my ownership - this rocker gasket malarky is worrying me now to be honest but its hard to explain but it 'feels' like its not that.
I'm getting ****ed off with this car at the moment.
leads are froma group buy on here and recent, could try a new cap they're not too expensive, plugs wouldn't hurt either.
edit!!
what are recommendations for plugs these days?
would anyone recommend somewhere in the north west who knows these cars to see whats what? I'm a bit ott with it I guess as I really need it over christmas, its not an option not having it to be honest.
bbaazz-08
17-12-2008, 20:07
you can get iridium plugs on ebay which are very good
def not rocker cover gasket
No where really.... and even a specialist would have problems diagnosing the fault
The fuel injection centre near renault bolton have the diagnostic equipment but they aint cheap... maybe give them a phone?
drsmith1979
17-12-2008, 20:19
why dont you pm 2live and see what hes upto? im sure if he can have a look for some moola he will...
It will either be the lamdba, if the heating coil is broken it will take time to get upto operating temperature, aided by the hot gases and exhaust heat. thus allowing it to work properly, it will either be this or as suggested something to do with the ignition system, the leads should be good if they were from Fastlane..... i would check the plugs to see if they are fouled with oil etc... maybe a litle oil getting in there from the rocker gasket? takes 2 mins to find out.
Lambda's are not cheap but i would go with the genuine ones, ask Brun about Lambda issues haha....
ITs frustrating, but things dont tend to fail until they are stressed and the weather this time of year does exactly that. chin up, it'll get sorted soon enough.
Why would the rocker gasket cause cold start issues? when its hot its perfect?
Reason I ask its not that old - I swapped my old rocker cover for a new one and the more I think about it the more its been playing up since then?
You never said it was perfect when hot ;)
Its an easy check anyway, hence why i mentioned it. Pull leads out and if theres oil on them you have oil down there.
Bosch FR6DC+ are the plugs i use, for around £5 for 4 from Gsf its a cheap service item.
I had same problem with a r19 16v, on cold would go all over the shop rev itself up then cut out. While its ticking over try moving the temp sensor in its casing .Mine was coroded [very tiny connector wires] it should alter the tickover sound.Ill keep my fingers crossed!
Mine did this ages ago, a new cat seemed to fix the problem, been fine ever since
i had very simular problems with my williams 3 which turned out to be the lambda, as soon as it warmed up it was spot on, but cold a nightmare!
i fitted a NGK lambda and it sorted it, still got the same lambda now but running on my hybrid for 2 year now! no issues at all
eternalife
17-12-2008, 20:46
edit!!
what are recommendations for plugs these days?
Reno - about £15-20 for all 4.
No-one can seem to figure out whats up with my willy...
It WILL not idle when its cold, it chugs, it cuts out, it now accelerates itself you have to hold it on the break to slow it down, it'll chugg some more and stall...
Garage I always (used) to go to f**ked around with the idle screw - cheers for that! turns out the ex renault mechanic who did all my work doesn't work there now - I didn't know this when I dropped it off..
After that it would idle high, then low, then chugg, then cut out etc etc.. I also think the TPS has been taken off and cleaned which I doubt will help..
So far myself I've cleaned out the ISCV, swapped ECU's just incase, looked for any air leaks and thats about the limit of my knowledge.
Took to another garage and got it back, idles a TAD better but still chuggs like crazy, loses all power (you can weld your foot to the floor and it will not do anything, then all of a sudden it'll pick up and shoot you down the road)
There doesn't seem to be anyone local that knows f**k all about these engines! Does anyone know how I can get this fixed??
that one quote there is identical to what mine did with the lambda sensor, as soon as it warmed up it was spot on again untill cold!
eternalife
17-12-2008, 21:13
No-one can seem to figure out whats up with my willy...
It WILL not idle when its cold, it chugs, it cuts out, it now accelerates itself you have to hold it on the break to slow it down, it'll chugg some more and stall...
Garage I always (used) to go to f**ked around with the idle screw - cheers for that! turns out the ex renault mechanic who did all my work doesn't work there now - I didn't know this when I dropped it off..
After that it would idle high, then low, then chugg, then cut out etc etc.. I also think the TPS has been taken off and cleaned which I doubt will help..
So far myself I've cleaned out the ISCV, swapped ECU's just incase, looked for any air leaks and thats about the limit of my knowledge.
Took to another garage and got it back, idles a TAD better but still chuggs like crazy, loses all power (you can weld your foot to the floor and it will not do anything, then all of a sudden it'll pick up and shoot you down the road)
There doesn't seem to be anyone local that knows f**k all about these engines! Does anyone know how I can get this fixed??
LOL Childish I know :lol: :lol: :lol:
crumbs I've got about 20 things to swap then :lol:
all covered there daz lad, plenty to get your teeth into
wont not have the car anyway, it works when warm doesnt it?laffin
aye, you worry though don't you - you have to rev it a tad more than you'd want to cold..
ah fair point, hate even moving off in either of mine before they have idled for a minute or so to at least get the oil round the lump :shock: :oops:
Daz, matey ~ hows you :wink: :wink:
Why not ring Kitchens get through to service,ask service manager Neil,if he could let Tilly have a look :lol: :lol: ~~ explain you know me etc etc .And I suggested it ~ Your a regular there now aren't you :lol: :roll: :lol:
LEIGH-ANNE
18-12-2008, 23:31
ah fair point, hate even moving off in either of mine before they have idled for a minute or so to at least get the oil round the lump :shock: :oops:
lol i do that too...
Justin..
18-12-2008, 23:42
fook that, give it the limiter before you pull off :wink:
fook that, give it the limiter before you pull off :wink:
start it with the accelerator down fully!!!
Justin..
18-12-2008, 23:48
haha, did that by accdient the first time i started the turbo :lol: i had jammed the tb wide open to let some fuel evaporate and forgot to close it before trying to start again lol
lol oops!!!
i remember a mate cleaning the iscv with brake cleaner but left it on the car, used a full can then started it lol, he came running over asking why it keeps going to the limiter straight away !!!
Justin..
18-12-2008, 23:51
hahahah.
well if nothing, my engine is run in :lol:
Daz, matey ~ hows you :wink: :wink:
Why not ring Kitchens get through to service,ask service manager Neil,if he could let Tilly have a look :lol: :lol: ~~ explain you know me etc etc .And I suggested it ~ Your a regular there now aren't you :lol: :roll: :lol:
I was thinking that actually, I just wanted to check the basics before going down that route - to be honest I'd forgot from Friday I can nick the missus' fiesta over thas yule-tide and take my time, Its only 1.5k off its service so I might just get the usual kit and do that first, eliminate anything simple.
Be a bit less hectic too come Jan 8)
FlamingMonkey
19-12-2008, 10:42
Daz, matey ~ hows you :wink: :wink:
Why not ring Kitchens get through to service,ask service manager Neil,if he could let Tilly have a look :lol: :lol: ~~ explain you know me etc etc .And I suggested it ~ Your a regular there now aren't you :lol: :roll: :lol:
hehe I took mine to Kitchens with a similar problem, I asked them to speak to me before they took it in the garage so I could tell them the score, they ignored that, anywho as I was waiting I could hear it being started as its loud :-)
Anywho I walked in the the garage and there was about 6 mechanics all stood round it scratching their heads, the car has cams you see so has a lumpy idle, one lad just said it's ****ed, shouldn't idle like that, thats your problem, good diagnosis columbo!
All I wanted was a diag on the computer and a TPS reset if poss, they had to dust off an old laptop and go on dialogies to figure out how to do it, it came up with a fault, I asked them what it was he said I dont know, he reset the fault and it never came back, that fault light that is, even though he had no idea what it was!
Idle fault was still there, I was thinking about booking it in for a new TPS setup but when I asked him if they came pre set or needed setting up, he didn't know and then asked me what it should be set to?? If I knew that I would of done it myself!
Anyway long story short, I buy my bits from there, get a nice discount you see ;) but **** letting them touch the car again.
I would take it to Nick Hill if it was me!
TPS setup :lol: just wiggle it about till it idles at ~950rpm, done!
done that on all 3 f7 clio's i've ever owned, never had an issue :wink:
FlamingMonkey
19-12-2008, 10:46
TPS setup :lol: just wiggle it about till it idles at ~950rpm, done!
done that on all 3 F7R clio's i've ever owned, never had an issue :wink:
I was gonna get the whole lot new from renault as it was doing my head in, body and TPS but they didnt know how to set it up properly or what values it shoudl read, so I sacked it off
Anyway all fixed now 8)
Like I said,there is only one guy down there I would let loose on my Cars ~~ yes he has worked on the Rally car and sorted little niggles out on that.
He also fits me cambelts/tensioners does an oil and filter change for £50 :wink: :wink: on the road car ,and only has the car 4/5 hours :lol: :lol:
Its done 125,000 miles he has fit every belt since I bought it,so I know there are good guys down there ~~ there are also Dollopers :oops: :cry: :oops: ,but hey they appear in all works of life :wink: :wink:
FlamingMonkey
19-12-2008, 12:35
Like I said,there is only one guy down there I would let loose on my Cars ~~ yes he has worked on the Rally car and sorted little niggles out on that.
He also fits me cambelts/tensioners does an oil and filter change for £50 :wink: :wink: on the road car ,and only has the car 4/5 hours :lol: :lol:
Its done 125,000 miles he has fit every belt since I bought it,so I know there are good guys down there ~~ there are also Dollopers :oops: :cry: :oops: ,but hey they appear in all works of life :wink: :wink:
Yeah agreed they have always been friendly geezers, Anthony is a good lad and always sorts me out a good deal on parts.
Funny thinking about it they did say its a shame "otherguys name" isn't here he has loads of experience on these cars :lol:
Did he (Anthony) mean a mechanic :shock:
or parts person :~~~~ I was that parts person :wink: :roll: :lol: :wink:
Rod.
FlamingMonkey
22-12-2008, 13:35
Did he (Anthony) mean a mechanic :shock:
or parts person :~~~~ I was that parts person :wink: :roll: :lol: :wink:
Rod.
Sorry confusing things here, it was one of the mechanic lads who said there was somebody who would knwo what was going on not Anthony.
Do you still work there Rod, I always seems to deal with Anthony when I go in for parts?
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