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bodben
14-12-2008, 21:09
Hi guys, my name is Ben, I'm from Oxford. I am a new member to the forum, and hope to soon be getting my first Clio Williams! I have spent hours looking at and reading about all of your lovely cars and now its time for me to pick your brains for some information!

I was wondering If the Plaque numbers in a Williams 1 relate to the Chassis number at all? For example, would it be possible to confirm a cars authenticity by comparing the 2 numbers?

How common are fakes, where people place a plaque in an older car, or change the number of a car?

Thanks guys! Great community you have here, I look forward very much to becoming a part of it!

Ben Carr

busterhymes
14-12-2008, 21:26
numbers dont match as far as im aware as for fakes guess theres always a chance but if you use the site you will find cars come up for sale and everyone on here seem pretty sound and definitely well informed so any dodgy cars are picked up and hightlighted quickly if in doubt ask :) :)

Jamie.
14-12-2008, 21:34
Welcome Ben, someone cool must have recomended this place :wink:

bodben
14-12-2008, 21:41
haha yes mate! I think, If i remember correctly it was YOU! 10 points and a gold star.

richy
14-12-2008, 21:45
numbers dont tally with the vin/chassis number, think some guy was sticking them on randomly at the factory! lol

doubt you will get many valvers with the plaque stuck in them, but best way to make sure its a real williams is by checking the vin has C57M as that stands for the williams, not the c57d as on 1.8 16vs

Tommo
14-12-2008, 22:00
Welcome Ben

Fakes are fairly rare mate, but there are a few about, you can normally spot them a mile off though, no wide track, non williams interior, dodgy stickers etc. people normally won't go to great lengths to copy every fine detail, but I have seen a few over the years (ebay especially). Best bet is to ask on here if in doubt. Enjoy your stay!

LEIGH-ANNE
14-12-2008, 22:26
Good posting tommo......and welcome!

Best to buy one from here to be honest as our members cars are bound to be better than the average joe blogs......

:D

bodben
14-12-2008, 23:07
Thanks For the info guys! Very useful! I wasn't so much thinking of non widetracked Valvers being badged up as a williams but say a Williams 2 being badged as a Williams 1. Very rare I am sure but I just wanted to ask you guys so that I have as much info as possible when it comes down to choosing the right car.

Did the Williams 1's come with anything in their documentation that stated their series number? A certificate or anything like that?

Thanks Guys!


Ben

busterhymes
14-12-2008, 23:09
Thanks For the info guys! Very useful! I wasn't so much thinking of non widetracked Valvers being badged up as a williams but say a Williams 2 being badged as a Williams 1. Very rare I am sure but I just wanted to ask you guys so that I have as much info as possible when it comes down to choosing the right car.

Did the Williams 1's come with anything in their documentation that stated their series number? A certificate or anything like that?

Thanks Guys!


Ben

no m8 :)

LEIGH-ANNE
14-12-2008, 23:39
Once u find one u like......cum bk to us and give us pics if u can etc....we will be able to spot a shoddy one :wink:

titcharoony
15-12-2008, 00:02
the geeks on here are truely awesome. although leigh anne is our only hot girl so far as i am aware, so share her nicely. :p xxxxxxx

katbloke
15-12-2008, 04:57
One way of spotting a genuine Williams is to check chassis number to see if it contains the letters C57M

talkingfish
15-12-2008, 10:24
No immediate way of telling I'm afraid - I think there was a post on here where a number of Willy 1 owners put up their chassis numbers to compare against their limited edition number and build date.

Mine is the highest RHD limited edition number I believe (0425) but my chassis number is lower than some other cars....

As other people say, there is not necessarily any logic to the numbering...

If you find a car, and you think it's suspect, post it's details up on here and I'm sure we will be able to tell if it's genuine or not... most UK cars are known on here... good luck in your search!!

Jamie.
15-12-2008, 10:46
I should get a gold star for the number of referals I have made, or maybe a free sticker..................... :wink:

katbloke
15-12-2008, 11:22
I should get a gold star for the number of referals I have made, or maybe a free sticker..................... :wink:

Glory hunting 172 owners :D

Daz.
15-12-2008, 12:49
Thanks For the info guys! Very useful! I wasn't so much thinking of non widetracked Valvers being badged up as a williams but say a Williams 2 being badged as a Williams 1. Very rare I am sure but I just wanted to ask you guys so that I have as much info as possible when it comes down to choosing the right car.

Did the Williams 1's come with anything in their documentation that stated their series number? A certificate or anything like that?

Thanks Guys!


Ben

Unless the number plates have been changed don't forger that pretty much all willys are reg dependant, L - 1, M - 2, N - 3...

Also shows up on v5 that its a williams 2 if you have a 2, I'm assuming its the same for the others...

Tommo
15-12-2008, 13:14
Also if there is a gold plaque on a phase 2 then alarm bells should start ringing, as far as I'm aware all willy 1's were phase 1, williams 2 & 3 were phase 2.

busterhymes
15-12-2008, 14:11
thought all williams were phase 1 just the original williams has the ltd edition plaques :? :?

Daz.
15-12-2008, 14:44
the amount of knowledge on here is shocking! :shock:

busterhymes
15-12-2008, 14:50
was that an intentional double edged comment :wink:

wavy
15-12-2008, 18:52
ask for an insurance quato
they will know its a williams al right haha
it does show as a willy 1 if it is 1

2 live
15-12-2008, 20:12
as above really. ph 1 = williams, ph2 williams 2 or 3. l plate, williams, 2 m plate, 3 n

no williams had a sunroof, always has a plaque, better boot carpet, blue not grey, few little diffs here n there.

Daz.
15-12-2008, 20:17
I demand that the willy 2, 3 carpet be classed as blue - because it is! grey to me is 16v grey!!

2 live
15-12-2008, 20:50
compared to the williams blue tho.....they are grey....no question about it

Daz.
15-12-2008, 21:33
its greyer blue yes but its blue - if you start then I'll start calling the willy 1 carpet purple :wink:

2 live
15-12-2008, 21:35
purple??? lol


hasnt got a tinge of purple in it...just like the willy 2/3 carpet hasnt got a tinge of blue :D

bodben
15-12-2008, 21:38
I had no idea my little Question would sparkk such a lovely debate! Thanks for all the opinions guys! I will be sure to use all your info in my hunt for my car!!

Ben

FATBOY
15-12-2008, 22:54
welcome to the site mate! enjoy ur stay! :D

and you wont go far wrong with help and advice from us geeks on here!

bodben
15-12-2008, 22:59
Good to hear, I am a bit of a car geek my self! Grew up with them, the old man Raced Porchers and ran a dealership/specialists amoung other car related bits and bobs!. Been Going to races/shows/meets since before I can remember! Always had a soft spot for Clio's though ever since my first ride in one when I was about 10! Got to love Williams too, especially the Mansell years. Him and I share the same Facial hair ;)

number1
15-12-2008, 23:12
No need to worry, simply post up pictures of your recently aquired williams when you get one and between all of us we will tell you how many forum members have owned it LOL just kidding but i think between everyone on this site there is only a few that members on here havent owned!!

bodben
15-12-2008, 23:23
What about 0012? Anyone Owned her?

wavy
16-12-2008, 18:39
no idea but i own 13 :)
8)

bodben
17-12-2008, 22:32
Well then we will have to meet one day mate, because I just bought your cars sister!!!

0012 would like to say hello and thank you for looking after all her bro's and sisters! I will post pics as soon as its light enough for me to take them, but I just drove her back from Glasgow to Oxford and I'm knackered!

Jamie.
17-12-2008, 22:39
Brilliant!

Glad you got one.

Jamie.
17-12-2008, 22:41
Ohh and glad you got a 1.

talkingfish
18-12-2008, 22:00
pics!!!!!

richy
18-12-2008, 22:06
pics!!!!!

look in picture section mate! :P