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Coops
13-10-2008, 10:37
best time

12.9 :wink:

schakal
13-10-2008, 10:41
sounds good mate 8)
just out of interest ,what does a standard williams
or a valver do at 1/4 mile ?

northy
13-10-2008, 10:44
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mode=quartermile

J o n
13-10-2008, 10:51
Nice!

What terminal?

Daz.
13-10-2008, 10:59
best time

12.9 :wink:

Nice time - what did the tub do? :lol: :wink:

Coops
13-10-2008, 11:13
Nice!

What terminal?

104.88

Wobba
13-10-2008, 11:46
I was walking along and looked up and saw you steaming down the stright there Coops. It crackled and popped as you crossed the line, a big pop at the end and I saw the time and thought: 'OMGAWDZ!'

Impressive!



sounds good mate 8)
just out of interest ,what does a standard williams
or a valver do at 1/4 mile ?

Williams is 15.6 1/4 mile by manufacturer standards, probably with 0 fuel and a following wind hehe. I am happy to have beaten it with a 15.3. NEED MORE POOOOWER!

LEIGH-ANNE
13-10-2008, 11:55
Well done loser :wink: .....i didnt see u but heard ur beast and someone say look theres coops!

Not bad at all for a first try too......

Ill run next time for sure!

J o n
13-10-2008, 12:00
Nice!

What terminal?

104.88

Wierd that the terminal is less than the white one, but the launch must have been better, I'd have thought it would be the other way around... then again it really depends on what in the way of interior is left, I dont think there was anything left in Martins! lol

Great time either way, about time someone got into the 12's! :D

Coops
13-10-2008, 15:12
no interior in mine, stripped and half caged, had second seat in to and glovebox full of crap and quarter tank of fuel. all sticky sound deadening was still in tho, and all the dash bar lower centre console.that effort was my first ever 1/4 mile ever aswell :lol: :oops:

bradus
13-10-2008, 15:17
awsome

get rid of some wight then get back out there and beat it :)

bradus
13-10-2008, 15:24
awsome

get rid of some wight then get back out there and beat it :)

bendee
13-10-2008, 15:33
was good to hear you cracked the 12s know you have a fast car when you can do that lol, shame you went early and didnt run on sunday was gonna ask for a lift up the strip lol showing me what i lost out on by selling my turbo lump

Coops
13-10-2008, 15:41
:wink: next time man 8)

i was well rough sunday, nearly fell asleep on the m1/m6 a few times :lol:

Daz.
13-10-2008, 16:00
Just for comparison on a site I found these are some times around 12.9! Not sure if they're all accurate unless someone can lend me the below cars - Thanks :D

2003 Lamborghini Murcielago 3.8 12.60
2005 Mercedes-Benz CL600 4.3 12.60
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG 4.2 12.60
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S 997 (6 spd Man) 4.1 12.60
1998 Ferrari 550 Maranello 4.2 12.70
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 4.3 12.70
2004 Morgan Aero 8 (European Spec) 4.2 12.70
1993 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.4 12.70
2003 Audi RS6 4.4 12.80
2005 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (6-Speed) 4.3 12.80
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.80
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.7 12.80
1998 Lotus Esprit V8 Turbo 4.4 12.80
2005 Aston Martin DB9 (6sp Auto) 4.5 12.90
2003 Aston Martin V-12 Vanquish 4.4 12.90
1992 Ferrari 512 TR 4.7 12.90
2003 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra 4.6 12.90
1994 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.5 12.90
1991 Porsche Turbo 4.6 12.90
2001 BMW Z8 4.6 13.00
1998 Ferrari 355 F1 4.6 13.00
2003 Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 4.5 13.00
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK 32 AMG 4.5 13.00
2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 4.5 13.00
2001 Chevrolet Corvette 4.5 13.10
1989 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.10
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.10
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.10
1992 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.8 13.10
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 5.2 13.10
2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 4.5 13.10
2002 BMW M Coupe 4.8 13.20
2005 Cadillac CTS-V 4.8 13.20
2006 Cadillac STS-V 4.6 13.20
2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 4.7 13.20
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.5 13.20
1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 5.0 13.20
2001 Ferrari 360 Spider F1 4.6 13.20
1997 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.8 13.20

schakal
13-10-2008, 16:29
a lot of R5s manage low 12s even low 11s :shock: on rtoc .
how does that happen than ? :roll:

Daz.
13-10-2008, 17:27
Because of their superior aerodynamics :D

schakal
13-10-2008, 17:29
Because of their superior aerodynamics :D

or may be , they are using one of these for extra boost ??
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32543&highlight=

:D

bendee
13-10-2008, 17:49
lol lookin at that list is comedy little clio staying with them sometimes beating them is comedy

2 live
13-10-2008, 18:05
I was walking along and looked up and saw you steaming down the stright there Coops. It crackled and popped as you crossed the line, a big pop at the end and I saw the time and thought: 'OMGAWDZ!'

Impressive!



sounds good mate 8)
just out of interest ,what does a standard williams
or a valver do at 1/4 mile ?

Williams is 15.6 1/4 mile by manufacturer standards, probably with 0 fuel and a following wind hehe. I am happy to have beaten it with a 15.3. NEED MORE POOOOWER!

14.800s mine ran completely boggo. was back in the days of my friendly rivalry with nick read, before he got his turbod, his then nos'd headworked etc 1800 running 14.808 hehe.

cracking time that coops.

your mission now, if u choose to accept it. get the willy down to that time............without the use of nos/turbo/charger ;)

MAXIBOY
13-10-2008, 18:25
great time mate...

i think with lsd and less weight you can go quicker...

what was it like though mate...

did you suffer from traction issues and any gearchange lag problems..

can you go quicker yourself..what was you reaction time etc...

16v_paddy
13-10-2008, 18:32
was that time with a monster hangover and slight hypothermia? :lol:

Coops
13-10-2008, 18:40
that time was pre drinks, so i was stone cold :shock: unusual! :P

reaction was 0.6, so could be better and it was literally my first ever 1/4 mile run competitively, never done it before so got to be lots of scope for improvment. gearbox felt positive and quick shift was fluid and precise so no complaints there tbh, for that run it spun in second, scrabbled a tiny bit in 2nd then caught and i was off, same as on road. second run was a 13.2 and that was still spinning up in 3rd, i had to back off by 330ft, can see it in the breakdown on the slip, so again room for improvement. check the 1/4 mile table for the details on the quick run or my garage for both :P

i also feel a proper map on the engine, without the hole where it overfuels then spends the rest of the range trying to recover would be beneficial for sure

either way i think i may be addicted, was really good crack 8)

2live, erm i will try but somehow me thinks the turbo will always prevail :lol: :wink:

Coops
13-10-2008, 18:41
edit

spun in FIRST then scrabbled second

goddamn edit button :roll:

jay s
13-10-2008, 19:11
****in awesome time mate :D, lots more to come from that imho. i reckon mid to low 12's are possible in its currant state. need to practice and master the launch and it will be perfect then. think i had the short straw being lined up next to you but did get the best view of it going :wink: i was happy in 1st and 2nd as i was ahead and thought i had it in the bag lol then all of a sudden i thought id missed 3rd gear as i see this valver pull almost 3 cars lenghts from nowhere then just keep on going :lol: really was a good sight mate, well done :D

Bayliss
13-10-2008, 19:15
i could beat that time in a tractor coops very very poor!! :lol: :lol:

LEIGH-ANNE
13-10-2008, 19:16
You would have had to have gone though to do that!! :roll: :wink:

Coops
13-10-2008, 19:18
F***IN awesome time mate :D, lots more to come from that imho. i reckon mid to low 12's are possible in its currant state. need to practice and master the launch and it will be perfect then. think i had the short straw being lined up next to you but did get the best view of it going :wink: i was happy in 1st and 2nd as i was ahead and thought i had it in the bag lol then all of a sudden i thought id missed 3rd gear as i see this valver pull almost 3 cars lenghts from nowhere then just keep on going :lol: really was a good sight mate, well done :D

:lol: yeah mate, you got off the line miles more cleanly, it was only boost that saw me through :oops: as you say tho plenty of scope for improvement and i think mod 12's should be realistic in current trim, then maybe a map with a little bit more boost and some full slicks, see how it goes :twisted:

richy
13-10-2008, 19:29
i could beat that time in a tractor coops very very poor!! :lol: :lol:

lol your car needs to be towed to get anywere! i doubt id get a good time if i was dragging the orange along again!

Bayliss
13-10-2008, 19:35
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JaHEEFUd1so&NR=1


take a look!!!!

Coops
13-10-2008, 19:50
oh and Daz, that list made me chuckle 8)

MAXIBOY
13-10-2008, 20:48
cool....how addictive mate :twisted:

great time and nice to know you have more to come...

never mind mid 12's we want 11's... :D

2 live
13-10-2008, 22:09
that time was pre drinks, so i was stone cold :shock: unusual! :P

reaction was 0.6, so could be better and it was literally my first ever 1/4 mile run competitively, never done it before so got to be lots of scope for improvment. gearbox felt positive and quick shift was fluid and precise so no complaints there tbh, for that run it spun in second, scrabbled a tiny bit in 2nd then caught and i was off, same as on road. second run was a 13.2 and that was still spinning up in 3rd, i had to back off by 330ft, can see it in the breakdown on the slip, so again room for improvement. check the 1/4 mile table for the details on the quick run or my garage for both :P

i also feel a proper map on the engine, without the hole where it overfuels then spends the rest of the range trying to recover would be beneficial for sure

either way i think i may be addicted, was really good crack 8)

2live, erm i will try but somehow me thinks the turbo will always prevail :lol: :wink:


have patience son. ........1 day it will be done. watch this space lol.

dhay14
13-10-2008, 22:15
nice time there coops. how much was the boost?

Coops
13-10-2008, 22:33
the map is for 15.5psi max, but it was a little down, peaked at 14.5 i think off the gauge, was tempted to crank it up but thought better of it :lol:

J o n
14-10-2008, 01:01
omex it, results are v.good

Coops
14-10-2008, 09:59
aint got the spondoolies mate to go stand alone yet, need a grand odd for that inc mapping i'd guess?

J o n
14-10-2008, 11:59
not sure tbh, could probably get you a deal though. I know the results on a turbo'd F4R are brilliant. The torque was only 2 shy of the total bhp!

stan
14-10-2008, 12:37
Thats not soley down to the managment though is it!!

Cant say that there would be any gain over a re-map of the standard ecu.

Coops
14-10-2008, 12:58
thats what i thought, how much is a remap on the omex each time its done? its got to be considerably less than 400 odd quid to make it worth while really

the torque v bhp isnt totally down to the map, my 1.8 will always have less torque compared to a 2.0, mine pulls 230lb/ft to 254bhp

MAXIBOY
14-10-2008, 13:26
no mate....

not just the map...

next megane head cat cams and a re map... :lol:

stan
14-10-2008, 13:33
Depends on where you go really. £350-500 typically.

eternalife
14-10-2008, 14:42
thats what i thought, how much is a remap on the omex each time its done? its got to be considerably less than 400 odd quid to make it worth while really

the torque v bhp isnt totally down to the map, my 1.8 will always have less torque compared to a 2.0, mine pulls 230lb/ft to 254bhp


Could also try Emerald ECU / Dave Walker.

£600 for the ECU
£275 + VAT for mapping session (Air conditioned room).

In the mapping session he will make you three maps of your choice (can have upto 3 switchable maps on the fly).
I would definitely recommend him (through personal experience) and I know of two others who have used him in the Reno scene and were very happy with his work.

I know he is highly regarded in other car scenes also.

Martin
14-10-2008, 21:11
great time coops...get a in car cam mount!

dhay14
14-10-2008, 22:56
coops any vids from your runs?

Coops
14-10-2008, 23:01
Gaz, the cliolord, said he took one from the side of the track, i'll chase him up

dhay14
14-10-2008, 23:38
ok then

J o n
16-10-2008, 11:49
Thats not soley down to the managment though is it!!

Cant say that there would be any gain over a re-map of the standard ecu.

Well yes as nothing else was changed... apart from who mapped it, but I wont mention specific figures or who's car and who did the work, but suffice to say that you can only go so far with a stock ECU.

Coops, no idea on exact prices, but I'd imagine the first map would be the expensive one, after that the changes and RR time would be minimal.

Allan
16-10-2008, 13:19
are we talking £1000+ for omex 600 ?

J o n
16-10-2008, 17:16
easily over a grand mate yeah. Even mapping a stock ECU and doing it again on an Omex (or any other decent standalone for that matter) you'll see a fair old difference.

Allan
16-10-2008, 18:10
its on my list lol, but so are soo may other upgrades, doing 2 clios is deffo emptying my old pockets lol

bendee
16-10-2008, 18:47
sell me the turbo out the dimma thatll get you some money back lol

Allan
16-10-2008, 18:48
lol get one out a a certain garage in midlands totaly free ;)
You shouldnt have sold i onto him :P

bendee
16-10-2008, 19:38
haha true might still do it tho got some of the bits still at mine lol

stan
16-10-2008, 19:52
Thats not soley down to the managment though is it!!

Cant say that there would be any gain over a re-map of the standard ecu.

Well yes as nothing else was changed... apart from who mapped it, but I wont mention specific figures or who's car and who did the work, but suffice to say that you can only go so far with a stock ECU.


So your saying that as compared to fully mapped std ECU, It made more power with a fully mapped Omex?

I dont believe that.

proof of the pudding is Paul at RST getting 275bhp from a supercharged F4R (totally stock engine), on STD managment.

As I said, how can ANY after-market engine managment system provide a better AFR? or ign advance? answer is, it cant.

Its not as if Omex's 12.8:1 AFR is better than Renaults.....

bbaazz-08
23-11-2008, 00:30
coops change to slicks and make 2 solid bars that will fit were the rear shocks go for that day... it will prevent the rear squatting on the launch.........ive seen this help b4

cliokongen
23-11-2008, 00:51
Excellent time! :twisted:

Michael

16v_paddy
23-11-2008, 01:48
coops change to slicks and make 2 solid bars that will fit were the rear shocks go for that day... it will prevent the rear squatting on the launch.........ive seen this help b4

Doubt it would be road legal then, with solid rear/no shocks :?

He's on R888's, so nearly slicks :lol:

bbaazz-08
23-11-2008, 02:05
no what i mean is for that day....you can change them at the pod

16v_paddy
23-11-2008, 02:28
Oh yeah :? :oops: working night shift so brain scrambled :lol:

He's wound the boost up since pod and got 277 bhp at the RR day in Leeds a couple of weeks ago :twisted:

Coops
23-11-2008, 15:05
wrong, no change, got 277 as it climbed rollers and threw the reading out :wink:

J o n
23-11-2008, 19:06
Thats not soley down to the managment though is it!!

Cant say that there would be any gain over a re-map of the standard ecu.

Well yes as nothing else was changed... apart from who mapped it, but I wont mention specific figures or who's car and who did the work, but suffice to say that you can only go so far with a stock ECU.


So your saying that as compared to fully mapped std ECU, It made more power with a fully mapped Omex?

I dont believe that.

proof of the pudding is Paul at RST getting 275bhp from a supercharged F4R (totally stock engine), on STD managment.

As I said, how can ANY after-market engine managment system provide a better AFR? or ign advance? answer is, it cant.

Its not as if Omex's 12.8:1 AFR is better than Renaults.....

An Omex is a muh higher resolution than the stock Renault ECU... I'd thought you'd know this and the difference it makes :roll: :wink:

And given Coops' sudden increase in power for no reason I wont start getting excited about stock internal engines making 275bhp personally. Entitled to believe what you wish though

16v_paddy
23-11-2008, 19:08
wrong, no change, got 277 as it climbed rollers and threw the reading out :wink:

Thought you said you had wound the boost up by 3 psi after pod, to better suit the map u had :?

Coops
23-11-2008, 22:20
no mate, that was after hill power rr day back in march lad, wound it up then for the first trip to rs in....whenever it was :lol: not touched boost controller since

jesus lad, it wasnt an increase in power, car kept climbing the rollers, i kept the print out for the novelty, the car runs 250 no more in current trim :wink:

16v_paddy
23-11-2008, 22:25
Oh well :oops: as long as no women are reading this 8-[ I was wrong :shock:

It's your fault I'm hooked on boost now :roll: :lol: Your car and my daddy offering me a free tubo doesn't help either :lol:

kneesparks
23-11-2008, 23:11
Good time! My Skyline done a 13.1 @ 111mph would of been gutted to have a clio cum past me :D
What box you using Coops?

Coops
24-11-2008, 00:01
jc5 mate

and poor effort on the skyline, i was going to upgrade to one of those one day, u just changed my mind for me :wink: :P

J o n
24-11-2008, 12:34
jesus lad, it wasnt an increase in power, car kept climbing the rollers, i kept the print out for the novelty, the car runs 250 no more in current trim :wink:

no idea what climbing the rollers is tbh lol. Sounds like mine at Ric Woods dyno when it would make around mid 220's at Mass and 240bhp and 193lbs/ft hehe.

Stan, I'm not in the slightest bit convinced by the SC power on stock engine, well done if even remotely accurate, but doing the maths it's simply impossible.

std engine power x absolute pressure (barrowmetric + turbo boost) x 0.88 (rough efficiency for supercharger).

166 x 1.7 (0.7 bar turbo boost or sc boost) x 0.88
Above is going off typical standard engines on most RR's, which works out at 248bhp if it's 1.7bar charger... no idea what boost pressure it's running, but they never run 100% efficiency and a turbo is even less, but that's what would be needed for a genuine 250bhp engine output on stock lump.

Is the liner a GTR or GTST? I thought the GTR's did a 12.8 - 12.9 as standard? GTST would be less being RWD I suppose, no idea what power they are meant to be as standard. I'd be happy with that though, seems pretty quick! lol

kneesparks
24-11-2008, 16:03
jc5 mate

and poor effort on the skyline, i was going to upgrade to one of those one day, u just changed my mind for me :wink: :P
OOH Cheak of it :wink: Skyline not stripped in any way and boot full of tents and food and crap, was running hard HKS coilovers at time and street tyres, should of drop the tyre pressure a lil that would of helped. Mine is a GTS-T 400BHP it smokes standard GTR's (300BHP), i got a poor start wheels kept jumping off the line ran a 13.5 the GTR done a 14.2! You start getting big power tho and the times tumble :wink: :D

J o n
24-11-2008, 16:41
jc5 mate

and poor effort on the skyline, i was going to upgrade to one of those one day, u just changed my mind for me :wink: :P
OOH Cheak of it :wink: Skyline not stripped in any way and boot full of tents and food and crap, was running hard HKS coilovers at time and street tyres, should of drop the tyre pressure a lil that would of helped. Mine is a GTS-T 400BHP it smokes standard GTR's (300BHP), i got a poor start wheels kept jumping off the line ran a 13.5 the GTR done a 14.2! You start getting big power tho and the times tumble :wink: :D

Plus in the real world on the roads the Skyline is king tbh. They are relentless to top speed. I'll get an R34 GTR when I hit 30 and the insurance is reasonable

kneesparks
24-11-2008, 18:50
Oh it does pull n pull untill 175 then it stops, sounds awsome, insurance last year at 28 was £890 comp this year at 29 got it down to £560 comp :D Dont handle like the clio tho :wink: got to have ya wits about you when u drive fast in my skyline coz it will kill you :shock:

spikey-ben
24-11-2008, 19:41
Hmm ive always fanceied a skyline but after hearing about coops turbo i might homebru my williams. Now that the things been resprayed. I wiil sort a projects post out at weekend with pics and stuff. :)

kneesparks
24-11-2008, 20:05
Hmm ive always fanceied a skyline but after hearing about coops turbo i might homebru my williams. Now that the things been resprayed. I wiil sort a projects post out at weekend with pics and stuff. :)
Well look at this then........ Tis mine
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33090

Coops
25-11-2008, 02:16
ai but the skylines carry alot more power, and use a **** of a lot more fuel, plus u see one and go oooo look another skyline going like shit off a shovel, theres a suprise :wink:

dont get me wrong tho, when am a big boy i will own a r33 gtr, been my dream car since forever :lol:

Coops
25-11-2008, 02:17
oh n climbing the rollers is where car runs up the front roller on the road, so looses tyre contact with the rear roller, inertia is lost and the readout is sqewed

MAXIBOY
25-11-2008, 03:06
ai but the skylines carry alot more power, and use a f**k of a lot more fuel, plus u see one and go oooo look another skyline going like s**t off a shovel, theres a suprise :wink:

dont get me wrong tho, when am a big boy i will own a r33 gtr, been my dream car since forever :lol:


pah skylines... :D

J o n
25-11-2008, 12:06
oh n climbing the rollers is where car runs up the front roller on the road, so looses tyre contact with the rear roller, inertia is lost and the readout is sqewed

just wants strapping down properly by sounds of it

kneesparks
25-11-2008, 12:22
ai but the skylines carry alot more power, and use a f**k of a lot more fuel, plus u see one and go oooo look another skyline going like s**t off a shovel, theres a suprise :wink:

dont get me wrong tho, when am a big boy i will own a r33 gtr, been my dream car since forever :lol:
Thats why its a wk end car, id have to sell my nan to run it all wk :roll: :lol: I never go over 70 mph officer coz thats the speed limit :wink:
Williams for driving most of the time now tho need more power, 200bhp would be nice, beta stop driving my toys and save some money to put in the clio :roll: :wink: