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MatrixGuy
24-06-2008, 12:58
As some of you may know my Willy went into the bodyshop about 6 weeks ago. I had the bonnet resprayed, the rust sorted around the petrol cap, boot lid and nearside rear arch. This all cost me £600.

Now, last night when washing the car i noticed small bubbling on the nearside rear arch!?! :shock: how can that be?

Not really sure what to do.

Any suggestions would be welcome. :evil:

Smudger
24-06-2008, 13:05
take the car back mate

as long as its part of the car they apparently repaired then its down to them to rectify it

Daz.
24-06-2008, 15:55
Right I'm now having the same issues after around 6 months of the work being carried out.

I'm finished with the place as all they do is fob you off and I'm not happy at all with the quality of service - when someone tells you that it'll always come back and you can't do anything where they're in a profession to stop things like this happening I walk away.

I know require somewhere THAT WILL GUARANTEE ANY WORK THEY DO AND ACTUALLY GIVE A **** ABOUT THE CAR IN QUESTION NOT JUST HOW ****ING LONG THEY CAN MAKE IT LAST WITHOUT YOU COMING BACK MOANING!

rant over

doug2.0
24-06-2008, 16:18
had exactly the same last month, it was only surface rust on each arch too, it was friend of the family doing the work.
and he said 'itll always come back'

and after 9 days, yes 9 days it did just that.
i took it back and explained to him that he cant have got rid of the rust down to the bare metal, he claimed he had but agreed to redo the work, saying that he would have to buy a different attachment for the grinder n stuff. :roll:

got it back and was okay but he hadnt had time to flat it down etc, so 2 weeks later i took it back.
i watched him flat it and polish it and it became instantly obvious why it hadnt been done right the first time, his work attitude just seemed lazy.

took it home and on better inspection he hadnt polished the line along the panel bend well enough and it was still visible. but i couldnt be bothered with him anymore.

plus the lip still wasn't sealed so i took my wire drill attachment to it and did it all myself, sealing it all afterwards.

all i can say is that if your gonna get it done, id do the prep work yourself and just let them paint it as only then can you be guaranteed there is no rust left.

bill.
24-06-2008, 16:23
had my arches sorted just before i sold it, washed it after 3 days and yep, you guessed it, ****ing rust coming through, sold anyway so not my problem any more! couldn't ever imagine a williams/valver never having continous rust problems :cry:

Daz.
24-06-2008, 16:26
^^ Thats not true it just needs to be done correctly and without piss take companies doing it on the cheap.

Think of all the poor oldskool boys that are trying to restore rusty old MG's!

ANYTHING can be fixed if done with properly

drsmith1979
24-06-2008, 16:38
i would take it to a metal work specialist not a body shop, get them to actually cut and replace the rusted arches, he has no axe to grind with you and so there is no benefit for him to simply cover it up with filler or paint etc... then take it to a body shop for paint. This is the only way to get it done 100% unless you pay through the nose for a top notch job. I think 2lives home repair has stood up the best so far! haha

Wobba
24-06-2008, 16:39
Guys just a piece of advice from someone who's been down this road for large amounts of cash - Keep a paper trail and a chronological order of events. This really helps when you take them to court wither through private action or Small Claims.

If people are being difficult, follow a set pattern of letter sending and give them reasonable time to act/pay up, when that time is up hit em with all you got, they usually pay up or have gone bust by then.

bill.
24-06-2008, 16:40
fair point regarding all the old mg's etc, but it gets you down a lot, and feels like your pissing against the wind most of the time, and hits the wallet hard!

Has anybody ever found these so called specialists? if so put a link up, will save the other members thousands.

for me theres a cut off point on wasting money, and i hit it!

MAXIBOY
24-06-2008, 17:48
have had this done loads when i used to restore classics and mini's a few years back...

can be done easily but the skill's are being lost as panels get replaced now..

get a practical classics magazine or forum and ask about

MatrixGuy
24-06-2008, 17:54
Cheers for the replies everyone.

To be honest not much happened what he said he was going to do when i first met him.

I guess i went to this guy cos he seemed genuinely interested in his work, classic cars being his main type of work.... and his work looked good.

He said he was going to weld a new plate in, which i dont think he did (am not an expert with kinda thing) and he said he would take step by step photo's, which he didnt. :roll:

Feel like i have wasted my money a bit... money i dont really have!!

Daz.
24-06-2008, 18:03
i would take it to a metal work specialist not a body shop, get them to actually cut and replace the rusted arches, he has no axe to grind with you and so there is no benefit for him to simply cover it up with filler or paint etc... then take it to a body shop for paint. This is the only way to get it done 100% unless you pay through the nose for a top notch job. I think 2lives home repair has stood up the best so far! haha

This is good advice - do it in two stages, you pay a man for metalwork and another for paint, the first man shows you what he's done rather than covers it up in paint!

16v_paddy
24-06-2008, 19:11
I've got faith in the bloke doin mine, as I've been into his workshop quite regular droppin new trim parts off and other bits & bobs.
He's actually shown me the work he's done on it and I've seen the car with all the rusty shite chopped off before and after the new stuffs been welded in.

I would never take my car to any sort of large/well known body shop as I've seen a lot of shoddy workmanship done mostly by inexperienced apprentices and cowboys, and the sort of people who just see what they're doing as just a job to be done and taking no pride in their work

My bloke works for himself with no1 else and has done for well over 20 years in the same little unit, obviously takes great care & pride in his work as its his livelihood and relies on his reputation to keep the work coming to put food on the table and pay the bills.

I had to wait 4 months before I could get my car booked in with him. He had a lot of seriously classy motors booked in berfore mine (astons, bentleys, mercs ) was finishing a glorious lookin 1979 merc sl500 when I dropped the valver off.

Most important thing is that he understands that every car he has to repair is their pride & joy that they've had to work hard for -wether it's an aston, bentley, merc or a clapped out, rusty french heap of shit :lol:- and treats it with the respect it deserves

I'm just gettin pi55ed off now as it's took a lot longer than expected due to some unforseen problems and some other ppl messin me about, plus the fact the bloke is on holiday now. Been without my valver for nearly a month now :cry:
I've been reduced to usin buses to get to work [-X it's driving me mental :tease:
So if anyone is driving around Nottingham and they see someone on the back seat of a bus headbutting the window or trying to chew off their left foot, don't be alarmed as its probably me trying to get over the withdrawal symptoms

Jamie.
24-06-2008, 20:10
I had the same problem to. It turns out that in my case they just 'blow out' the rust. When i returned mine and kicked off he was fine and just cut it and welded a new arch in. The guy said sorry, but i really should have been paying more but said it was hard to actually quote correctly. I got away with paying £200!!! 2 years on the car still looks fine although i now have a small amount of rust on the arch lip due to stone chips but non in the centre of the arch :)

MatrixGuy
24-06-2008, 21:28
hmm, so it looks like mine was rubbed down a bit and just painted over, lol :cry:

2 live
24-06-2008, 23:02
oh the joys of paying the extra few quid on a car thats had no work done...and still needs none.



;)



the argument of non-restored cars against restored cars is kinda won in this thread alone.

Daz.
25-06-2008, 06:28
oh the joys of paying the extra few quid on a car thats had no work done...and still needs none.



;)



the argument of non-restored cars against restored cars is kinda won in this thread alone.

Oh aye because everyone knows just by looking if a car has had work done.

If I'd have wanted to pay for a good example and sit there admiring it I would have but I wanted a project that I could learn off and put my stamp on.

Who cares I love my willy and its non original non stonechipped faded panels :D

Daz.
25-06-2008, 06:31
Plus mines my daily so it was always going to fall apart one day, the thought of it sat under a dust sheet for years its completely lost on me.

Tommo
25-06-2008, 07:35
If either of my arches went I think I would bite the bullet and pay for a new one, seems to be the only way to guarantee the rust won't come back, touch wood they have been ok so far, apart from a small amount of surface rust on the lip of one of them from stone chips they are still pretty much mint after 4 yrs of ownership, think the car cover counts for a lot.... :)

Jamie.
25-06-2008, 09:00
If either of my arches went I think I would bite the bullet and pay for a new one, seems to be the only way to guarantee the rust won't come back, touch wood they have been ok so far, apart from a small amount of surface rust on the lip of one of them from stone chips they are still pretty much mint after 4 yrs of ownership, think the car cover counts for a lot.... :)

Still not seen you knocking around...

Tommo
25-06-2008, 09:11
Seen you a couple of times but I've not been in the williams, was at FCS mate, you should have come, altho was a bit poo this year...

You still selling up??

2 live
25-06-2008, 10:44
Plus mines my daily so it was always going to fall apart one day, the thought of it sat under a dust sheet for years its completely lost on me.


mine is my daily. and has been for the last 6-7 years.

and i drive it hard.


has nothing to do with rust tho. a well looked after one wont have this. stonechips, slight discolouration of paint, yeah.but rust.no.


completely agree with the dust sheet comment, they are drivers cars for a reason....u dont get any benefit of it sat in a garage up on blocks, never moving. no matter how good the condition is.

Tommo
25-06-2008, 10:55
I've never understood that, maybe if it was a classic ferrari or something which will only appreciate in value, but not an old Clio!! lol! Each to their own I suppose, don't really use mine in the week as I can get the train to work but love taking it out at the weekends and giving her a blast, it's what they are all about....

Jamie.
25-06-2008, 12:13
Seen you a couple of times but I've not been in the williams, was at FCS mate, you should have come, altho was a bit poo this year...

You still selling up??

I dont know, the wife and I hopefully qualify as Chartered accountants end of this year and next summer so may hold on till then and trade up a bit.

MatrixGuy
25-06-2008, 13:04
Well this thread changed lanes, lol. :lol:

My car is a daily driver too.

Going to the bodyshop on Monday to see what he says about the bubbling.

ian711
02-07-2008, 15:06
i would have thought this was commom sense.

Unless you cut the rust out and get new arches you CAN NOT get rid of all the rust.
it WILL come back eventually wether its 6 weeks down the line or 6 months.

If you go to any good bodyshop shop they will tell you exactly that.
anyone body shop who tells you otherwise is lying.

MatrixGuy
02-07-2008, 18:22
i would have thought this was commom sense.

Unless you cut the rust out and get new arches you CAN NOT get rid of all the rust.
it WILL come back eventually wether its 6 weeks down the line or 6 months.

If you go to any good bodyshop shop they will tell you exactly that.
anyone body shop who tells you otherwise is lying.

Yes i know that mate.

The guy said he was going to weld a new plate in, but doesnt look like it! :roll: