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Dancliovalver
20-06-2005, 20:26
ive heard about these, my mate came round in his williams today and looking at my valver and his williams, his front wheels seem to stick out a good 10mm more than mine and it looks the nuts!!!!
can some1 give me some more info on this please and how much it would cost and will it fit on a valver!!!! also what do u need to do it?

KingStromba
20-06-2005, 20:29
Dougal and Winston have done this.

Lunner
20-06-2005, 20:30
Have a look on cliosport in the ext power section, there is a sticky with all the infor you need, iirc they are 20mm furhter out on each side...give or take

Dancliovalver
20-06-2005, 22:07
cheers guys thanks for ya help, it does look better if its not too exspensive i might have it...do u know if it handles better

KingStromba
20-06-2005, 22:08
I have wishbones with new bushes for sale if you need some cheap parts. Only getting new ones as mine are a bit rusty :D

VIPERONE
20-06-2005, 22:11
do they come with bottom balljoints?

KingStromba
20-06-2005, 22:13
You can have my old balljoints if you want.


Im getting new ones :D

Martin
21-06-2005, 07:29
I have just bought all the parts required new from reno...although I am using avo coilovers instead of the williams shock/springs...going on July7th can't wait.. :D Cost £1000 pound though :shock:

Swervin_Mervin
21-06-2005, 10:11
How much without the avos Martin?

Martin
21-06-2005, 10:13
570 minus 20 back for the driveshafts...all new. 300 quid of that is driveshafts though so the cost can be cut alot using 2nd hand but with the amount of hooning / 1/4 miling I do I did'nt want to risk it.

FlamingMonkey
21-06-2005, 10:13
**** me a grand thats some cash Martin

u33db
21-06-2005, 10:16
Fitting the williams front track will increase the front track by 36mm overall and it improve handling massively but it's not exactly cheap considering you're replacing the entire front suspension! The same look could be achived by spacers but it won't be nearly as good as you'll still basically be running bogo 1.8 components...

I believe the sticky on CS has disappeared due to an overload of cleaning product stickies :lol: but before it gets archived i've copied it below, along with the annotiations discovered by Winston/Clean16v/Mark@Ritchspeed etc that i can remember about.

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Anyway, here is the list of parts and the corresponding renault part numbers that you'll need to get it done. All the parts listed below are genuine Williams parts - it is possible to substitute some of these for aftermarket or alternative renault parts and i'll list the options where appropriate but i'll leave those who know more on these to comment. Obviously choosing between these will be dependant on your budget and preference.

Springs:

You can use williams springs, 172 springs or clio 1.8 16v springs - i won't list OE part numbers for these as they are dependant on a coloured spot on the original items - i'd suggest posting should you really need these. Aftermarket wise (which i'd assume most would go for), you can fit any lowering springs designed for a williams or clio 1.8 16v or, alternatively, you can fit coilovers (see below)

Front Shock Absorbers:

77 00 838 095 - Williams front shock absorber (40.67 each)
77 00 838 095 - Williams front shock absorber (40.67 each)
You could obviously also fit aftermarket shocks or coilovers - however, these must be designed for a williams.

Wishbones:

60 01 025 842 - Williams wishbone - right hand side (48.30)
60 01 025 841 - Williams wishbone - left hand side (48.30)
Renault 19 16v wishbones will also fit.

Anti Roll Bar:

60 01 025 814 - Williams ARB (72.11)
Renault 19 16v ARB will also fit, as will some megane 1 ARB's (IIRC its the non-16v and non-coupe one you'll be after)

Anti Roll Bar Fixing (At Middle):

77 00 785 788 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 785 788 - ARB Bush (5.49)
82 00 078 548 - ARB Clip (2.75)
82 00 078 548 - ARB Clip (2.75)
77 03 035 027 - Nut (0.73)
77 03 035 027 - Nut (0.73)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
These items are not really necessary as you will be able to use the 1.8 items but IMO it's worth doing as your original bushes could be quite worn dependant on age/milage of your car.

Anti Roll Bar Fixing (At Wishbones):

77 00 784 170 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 784 170 - ARB Bush (5.49)
77 00 784 169 - ARB Clip (3.61)
77 00 784 169 - ARB Clip (3.61)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 002 116 - Screw M8-2 (0.69)
77 03 034 017 - Nut (0.36)
77 03 034 017 - Nut (0.36)
These items are necessary to mate the ARB to the wishbones - the 1.8 setup mounts differently so you cannot use your existing components here.

Driveshafts:

77 01 367 623 - Williams driveshaft - right hand side (156.19)
77 01 367 627 - Williams driveshaft - left hand side (156.19)
Depending on if you car has ABS you may also need an ABS toothed ring for each shaft. It may be possible to salvage these from your 1.8 setup but if not then the part number is 77 00 867 344 (14.23) - you would need two of these if applicable. It is also possible to substitle the passenger side driveshaft with a R19 16v item.

General Notes:

If you get asked for an oval plate number (i.e when ordering driveshafts etc) you can use 'C57M' which is for a Williams. If going for alternative parts (i.e. R19 16V) then you would need the corresponding oval plate for one of those - again, i'd suggest posting if you need them.

Also, going for all new parts will cost quite a lot so i'd try and source some of the parts secondhand - first ports of call would be www.infinicar.com or matbrown on here as they regularly break these cars.

Swervin_Mervin
21-06-2005, 10:16
£570 ain't bad. Might as well do new everything IMO.

2 live
21-06-2005, 10:20
thing is tho.if ur starting from a boggo valver, and wanting to do the engine and susp on it.

probs cheaper to buy a willy.was when i had the same thoughts 3 years ago lol. and reno prices have increased since then lol

Mark_Ritchspeed
21-06-2005, 10:20
£570 wouldnt have included the struts and springs though as Martin put coilovers on.

Having said that genuine Willy struts are only around £47 each and the springs can be made for £115 or from Renault at whatever they charge.

Swervin_Mervin
21-06-2005, 10:35
I'm not going to bother myself. But £1k including Avos is good going I reckon.

Dancliovalver
21-06-2005, 10:57
****in hell so it will defiantly handle better, i have AVO coilovers now and that handles pretty awsome, these wheel spacers, where do i get em from and how much does it effect the car in any way ie will it handle sloppier??? and how much do thy cost?

thansk for all your help guys im beginin to learn lol :oops:

KingStromba
21-06-2005, 11:01
Another spanner to throw into the works is that alot of the handling improvements are from taking WORN valver suspension parts and replacing them it with NEW williams suspension parts.

I am 100% confident that a 172 / 182 would have spanked 200 when i bought her 1.5 years ago. It would have been a right royal thrashing. New car v old car.

But now. Ive replaced all suspension and steering parts. No chance. A completely different car.

Martin
21-06-2005, 11:02
Another reason why I have gone for new bushes all round.... :)

u33db
21-06-2005, 11:47
Another spanner to throw into the works is that alot of the handling improvements are from taking WORN valver suspension parts and replacing them it with NEW williams suspension parts.

Well yes and no.

In my case, i had the shocks, bearings, driveshafts, top mounts redone with all new 1.8 parts before i swapped to the willy gear...still a massive improvement comparing fresh for fresh bits.

Martin
21-06-2005, 11:48
Another spanner to throw into the works is that alot of the handling improvements are from taking WORN valver suspension parts and replacing them it with NEW williams suspension parts.

Well yes and no.

In my case, i had the shocks, bearings, driveshafts, top mounts redone with all new 1.8 parts before i swapped to the willy gear...still a massive improvement comparing fresh for fresh bits. :shock: fookin hell you must be mad! lol

u33db
21-06-2005, 11:51
Another spanner to throw into the works is that alot of the handling improvements are from taking WORN valver suspension parts and replacing them it with NEW williams suspension parts.

Well yes and no.

In my case, i had the shocks, bearings, driveshafts, top mounts redone with all new 1.8 parts before i swapped to the willy gear...still a massive improvement comparing fresh for fresh bits.

:shock: fookin hell you must be mad! lol

Erm well, put it like this, i wouldn't be silly enough to spend all that money again. Not fine being relegated to a 1.2 and scooter! lol

Lunner
21-06-2005, 20:53
Worth noting that AVO coilovers for the valver won't fir the williams ...i think...due to the angle of them.

Will be doing this to mine at some point when i ahve some cash, for the moment i have some 15mm spacers i got off someoen on here (sorry i forgot who) at FCS, still waiting to fit them, need to find sometime to spray up my valver wings before i can fit them

BRUN
22-06-2005, 00:38
[quote=u33db]

:shock: fookin hell you must be mad! lol

Erm well, put it like this, i wouldn't be silly enough to spend all that money again. Not fine being relegated to a 1.2 and scooter! lol

what, you mean like have thousands and thousands of ££ worth of work done on the car and then sell it really cheaply to someone from St Helens :)

sorry mate, you know im lookin after it though !

VIPERONE
22-06-2005, 00:45
the worst bit is putting the bushes on the arb.. wat a tw@t... luckily i have a method... i'll let you struggle.. then give you the old sas trick book.

Dancliovalver
22-06-2005, 01:29
cheers for the suppost gunner :wink:

u33db
22-06-2005, 08:10
[quote=u33db]

:shock: fookin hell you must be mad! lol

Erm well, put it like this, i wouldn't be silly enough to spend all that money again. Not fine being relegated to a 1.2 and scooter! lol

what, you mean like have thousands and thousands of ££ worth of work done on the car and then sell it really cheaply to someone from St Helens :)

sorry mate, you know im lookin after it though !

^^yeah something like that lol

Waiting for next year though...will be getting *cough cough* another clio...

Slithers
22-06-2005, 10:42
the worst bit is putting the bushes on the arb.. wat a tw@t... luckily i have a method... i'll let you struggle.. then give you the old sas trick book.

I wanna buy a copy of this SAS trick book mate, it seems well useful, lol

Havin said that i did own an SAS survival guide, which warned me of a fish in the amazon called the candiru which swims up your japs eye and gets stuck do to an inverted spine on its back, quite painful it sounded.

KingStromba
22-06-2005, 10:48
The only SAS trick i know of for ARB bushes is to call in an air strike. :P