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After going to the chatsworth rally day i have got the rally bug again!!!
Evogone you should be able to answer this question.
Whats the cost for stage rallying, tarmac? Running costs etc etc?
Ideally would love a mk 2 eascort with a good cossire lump but have you seen the price they go for!!!!
Clio cup to rally car???
FlamingMonkey
09-06-2008, 09:06
No help to you but I went to Chatsworth on Sat, Marcus Gronholm was fast as ****!
No match for a Clio V6 though
I love the audi quatrro's at full chat!!!!
EvoUk :: The breakdown for events ~~
Entry fee for a single venue ,airfield type events ~ Angelsey etc between £200 and £220 ~~,Weeton Army stages £210.
Tyres ~~ how competitive do you want to be,People in front wheel drive,tend to put new ones on the front,run the stages and put them on the back .
You need the ARDS test etc ~~ I am not 100% on this,but most Rally Schools are licenced etcetc.
Forget Mk11 Escorts,to be competitive you need a big potof cash ~~ The ones on our event ~~ 2.4 Duratecs ~~ 250/270bhp with paddle shift sequentials,5 linked,huge brakes etc etc.
Evogone has done brilliantly on the two events I have seen him,although /I did think It sat rather low at the rear ~~~ For the rougher stage events Weeton,Twyford Wood,Manby etc On Pure smooth Tarmac ~~ the Clio,is as good as owt.Bear in mind the "special" competion bits are very expensive.
But most things can be made.
To bring yours up to MSA rally approval ~~ you will need to look in the MSA Blue book,and it will tell you under car regulations etc etc.
Basically Rollcage,FIA dated harness seat belts,external/internal battery master and plumbed in fire extinguisher switches/cable pulls,Tank guard,plus others
Go to the Msa web site ,it will tell you on there
If you need anything else ~ feel free to get in touch ~ Rod
www.msauk.org
Thanks,
What about the gearboxes do they stand up well or do you need a full on straight cut sequential!!!?
I shall have to keep an eye on evogones progress.
Just enquiring about costs at the moment though.
Are single event stage rallies the cheapest to compete in?
After going to the chatsworth rally day i have got the rally bug again!!!
Evogone you should be able to answer this question.
Whats the cost for stage rallying, tarmac? Running costs etc etc?
Ideally would love a mk 2 eascort with a good cossire lump but have you seen the price they go for!!!!
Clio cup to rally car???
Cost are the same as trackdays in terms of car wear / tyres / trailoring etc. Entry fees are the same as a trackdays.
The main cost is the upfont costs:-
If a Cup car.
£100 - Registering / taxing your car (V5 - registration) - Pain in the ass.
£500 - Getting the car RAC logbooked - do it this year as the rules change next year and it will be an arse. Tank guards / FIA indate seat and belts / Fire extinuishers system in date. and a few other bits and bobs.
£300 - Comp licence a (you will need to complete and ARDS test)
£250 - Race suit
Different suspension if you want to do other venues as there are only a handful that suit the cup car.
I can recommend it and when your started then it just the same costs as trackdays...!!!
How do you get the car rac log booked and whats changing next year?
What is the usual routine, does he co driver need any licence and do they pay some of the costs? Is it shared etc
Thanks
Thanks,
What about the gearboxes do they stand up well or do you need a full on straight cut sequential!!!?
I shall have to keep an eye on evogones progress.
Just enquiring about costs at the moment though.
Are single event stage rallies the cheapest to compete in?
You just need to be sensible on the gearbox. If you hammer the box then it will break eventually. Sadev box is the one to have but 2-3k for good SH one. Mine has been fine the problems start when you do event where the surface is broken up a bit but for Angelsey / 3 sisters / Prom stages should be fine. Only thing that would help would be to lower the final drive to get better exceleration. Only ever got into 4th a couple of times.
Big thing is a LSD essential, not got on fitted yet but this alone should give a second a mile which mean 5 plus place overall in an event.
Get your car logbooked (adds value) as you dont see cheap rally cars anymore there value is going up .!! You can do a few smooth event a year and see where you want to go from there ?
Next one for me is the New Brighton Prom stages (wicked high profile event) 6R4s and WRC cars...!!
Do it..
simonr85
09-06-2008, 10:41
evogone - when is the new brighton rally?
cliorod - have you done the weeton barracks rally? Its right near my house but they never let spectators in :cry:
How do you get the car rac log booked and whats changing next year?
What is the usual routine, does he co driver need any licence and do they pay some of the costs? Is it shared etc
Thanks
Get an RAC started pack (£50) - You get a MSA rule book and all the application forms and info on the ARDS course you will have to complete. I have one unused if you want it.
Co driver need a licence and all the safety stuff aswell. Regards cost then a normal rule is co-driver pays the entry fee and the driver everything else.
Next year there are minimum weight of cars and more things you will have to sort. More hassel and not applicable if your already logbooked.
More than happy to help you out if you decide to push the button.
Simon :~ I have done this event several times :~ but latterly I have given up :cry: :cry: ~~~ Mainly due to what I personally call "irresponsible attitudes" from fellow competitors in some crews.
For example after being being seeded at car 70 ~~ which itself is a joke ~~ having had top ten finishes !!!! :roll: :shock: :shock: .After stage 3 we were lying 11th overall :twisted: :twisted: .So one would expect we are reasonably quick !!!! :twisted: :twisted: .So why do the slower crews DELIBERATELY prevent you from getting past them !!!! :roll: :roll: .thus causing us to drop time.
Another instance,we were approaching a split/merge at close on 100mph,and oh dear :oops: :oops: ,guy leaving the start line pulls out directly in front of us ~~ result left the track,bent axle,two f@@ked wheels,bent suspension about £1400 of damage ~~ again all because the guy ~~ did not look in his mirror ~~ we had taken 30 seconds out of this guy on the previous stage ~~ that his why we were in front of him !!!
Is it me or what ~~~ This guy could had nothing to gain by holding us back !!
So basically I have given up going there,As I fear an almighty accident is around the corner :oops: :oops:
Plus it is getting very rough,with potholes appearing every where,not the ideal for a Tarmac spec. car.
Rant over.
If you go early enough,you might be able to get in.Or offfer to Marshal ~~ You will definitely get in then
evogone - when is the new brighton rally?
cliorod - have you done the weeton barracks rally? Its right near my house but they never let spectators in :cry:
Saturday 6th September.
Wheeton is a car wrecker..!!!
I love the audi quatrro's at full chat!!!!
:D saw them on the sunday, got a few vids on the startline
few randoms there like a mk2 escort with a wankel rotory engine :?
yes that red mk2 was at the rally show, gorgeous build and its for sale.....
didnt ask price though!!!
I cn vouch for Weeton being a car wrecker :? evening Rod, Evogone :wink:
As for rallying life is to short mate if you want it bad enough go for it 8)
Evening Slippy ( OOps its morning though ~ just finished nights)
:oops: :oops:
Yup agree with that sentiment :lol: :shock: :lol: .You only pass this way once ~~ and it aint a rehearsal ~~ I suppose I am an old Kn**cker bag ~~ Mr Angry etc etc.But being involved in Rallying has opened many doors for me :wink: :lol: :wink: . over the years,Met up and had dinner with Damon Hill,Tim Harvey ,Alain Menu,Robbie Head and others ~ I meet up regularly with Ian Grindrod ~ co-driver for the late Colin McRae's Dad ~ Jimmy ~~ who won several British titles.Been a sector Marshal on the RAC when it was a proper event at Chatsworth House & at Knowlsey Safari Park,OOOh the tales go on ~~ was at the finish control when Tony Pond Tw**tted the tree with the SDI Rover :oops: :twisted: :oops: ~~ well publicised.Was a member of the party who gave Dave Richards ( PRODRIVE) his time,THAT HE ASKED FOR ~~~ but he had booked out early :oops: :oops: with Ari Vatenen and was penalised ~~ lost the RAC through it.
What is it they say " NOSTALGIA ~~~ is a thing of the past :roll: :roll: "
I cn vouch for Weeton being a car wrecker :? evening Rod, Evogone :wink:
As for rallying life is to short mate if you want it bad enough go for it 8)
How the car (any new bits?) when you next out ??
Evening Slippy ( OOps its morning though ~ just finished nights)
:oops: :oops:
Yup agree with that sentiment :lol: :shock: :lol: .You only pass this way once ~~ and it aint a rehearsal ~~ I suppose I am an old Kn**cker bag ~~ Mr Angry etc etc.But being involved in Rallying has opened many doors for me :wink: :lol: :wink: . over the years,Met up and had dinner with Damon Hill,Tim Harvey ,Alain Menu,Robbie Head and others ~ I meet up regularly with Ian Grindrod ~ co-driver for the late Colin McRae's Dad ~ Jimmy ~~ who won several British titles.Been a sector Marshal on the RAC when it was a proper event at Chatsworth House & at Knowlsey Safari Park,OOOh the tales go on ~~ was at the finish control when Tony Pond Tw**tted the tree with the SDI Rover :oops: :twisted: :oops: ~~ well publicised.Was a member of the party who gave Dave Richards ( PRODRIVE) his time,THAT HE ASKED FOR ~~~ but he had booked out early :oops: :oops: with Ari Vatenen and was penalised ~~ lost the RAC through it.
What is it they say " NOSTALGIA ~~~ is a thing of the past :roll: :roll: "
Are you doing Mull this year ? Friends of our have a house (they have a few!!) on Mull so may do it next year as i will have somewhere to stay .!
May come this year for a reccie.!! :wink:
So were talking:
Fuel guards
sump guards
up to date extinguisher
up to date seats and harness
pull switches on outer car for fire and electrics
RAC LOGBOOKED - 9how do you get car done)
Is above like a MOT?
Timing equipment in car?
Can you have poly rear screens?
So were talking:
Fuel guards
sump guards
up to date extinguisher
up to date seats and harness
pull switches on outer car for fire and electrics
RAC LOGBOOKED - 9how do you get car done)
Is above like a MOT?
Timing equipment in car?
Can you have poly rear screens?
Plus
Co-driver operated horn
Battery isolated (unless it a sealered RED TOP one)
Sure there are a few others
from 2009
You also need mudflaps
a dry break contected in the fuel file so you can take fuel samples
and a few other bits
You need to find a local scruitineer from the RAC blue book (one in my started pack if you want the pack), there are loads listed. You call them up and arrange a time to view the car (usually very helpful) and when you have all the bits sorted then ask them round they will inspect it and they will take the details and you will get issued a logbook for the car (you will need to take a picture of it at 45degrees from the front as this goes in the log book).
You can have poly glass must be 4mm plus.
No need for timing gear unless your doing bigger events.
When you next out in the car ?
cars going to AP STANS next week to sort out the trumpets and for a remap to try and find the lost bhp..long drive down but hopefully worth it.
I have not booked any event yet.
Is there any other forums dedicated to rallying, clubman rallying?
cars going to AP STANS next week to sort out the trumpets and for a remap to try and find the lost bhp..long drive down but hopefully worth it.
I have not booked any event yet.
Is there any other forums dedicated to rallying, clubman rallying?
www.britishrally.co.uk/
Myself / slippy and Clio rod are all on there.
Whens your next track day ?
Up on Otterburn for the Tyneside Stages 22nd of June, a proper rally apparently :wink:
Am currently working out if it would be best to convert the clio cup car to rally spec or sell it and start a new project and build a car from shell up, nova, corsa or similar as bro in law is vauxhall mad so can build me a good engine.
Just researching various forums at the moment and i need to sort out a navigator/co driver to see if there interested.....
I have a car trailer so thats one thing less to worry aboiut.
Would just want to do single venue tarmac rallies, say 3 or 4 a year max...
:D
Evo :~ TBH to build a car from scratch ~~ can be well expensive,you can get a fully "prepped" 205/Astra or similar for reasonable money.
The problem with using the Clio's is the cost of the "special" competition parts
~~ as apart from suspension,wheels and the normal stuff,no~one does the bits.LSD's,proper engine mounts etc etc.
If yours is a Cup car,you will be ok with it as it is ,for the 3/4 events you intend to use it for,providing you are selective on events ~ is smooth tarmac.
In the late 80's I bought a 5gt Turbo ex~race car,did quiet well with it as it was,~~ but not on rough events.
You will still need all the safety/MSA regulations apertaining to the car etc.Whichever way you choose to go.
I hope this helps
Rod.
Thanks for the reply.
Yes i have been trawling the net and found some good priced 205, novas that have been built from scratch, seem welded, good shells and all the right bits ready to go.
Reason i was considering nova, 205 is like you said there are loads of motorsport parts available already like gripper diffs and quaiffe boxes etc. Also the cup car i have has history and wouldnt like to see it wrecked!!!
On single venue events what are the class structures like, is it all on engine size?
Im not bothered about where i come in the rankings at the moment i will just be in for the fun!!!!
Am currently working out if it would be best to convert the clio cup car to rally spec or sell it and start a new project and build a car from shell up, nova, corsa or similar as bro in law is Vauxhall mad so can build me a good engine.
Just researching various forums at the moment and i need to sort out a navigator/co driver to see if there interested.....
I have a car trailer so thats one thing less to worry aboiut.
Would just want to do single venue tarmac rallies, say 3 or 4 a year max...
:D
5k gets you a dog of a car..... or a mint std spec 205. One from scatch will cost you ££££££ and you want get it back.
Stay with the clio and just do certain events, its a very competitive car and for the money carnt beat it. My Cup car has been great and theres probabley 8/9 event a year just in the ANWCC championship that the cars great for as is.
Get it logbooked and do a few events.
Thanks for the reply.
Yes i have been trawling the net and found some good priced 205, novas that have been built from scratch, seem welded, good shells and all the right bits ready to go.
Reason i was considering nova, 205 is like you said there are loads of motorsport parts available already like gripper diffs and quaiffe boxes etc. Also the cup car i have has history and wouldnt like to see it wrecked!!!
On single venue events what are the class structures like, is it all on engine size?
Im not bothered about where i come in the rankings at the moment i will just be in for the fun!!!!
All engine size on the class structures, regards to being able to get load of bits then yes thats true but alls a cup racer needs is a diff - Gripper / Quaife 800 quid then you have a good competitive car. Trust me you will need a few event before the car is the limiting factor. There will always be 260 hp escorts in your class (30-40k for a good one) but hey im getting close on top 10 overall stage times in the dry, even without the diff..!!
If you want any help advise or want to see my car then just give me a call more than happy to get you started etc.
Yes thanks for the replies, i may well come up and see your car one day.
Mines off to Swansea Saturday to AP (stans)
When is your next event and can you send some details?
I sometimes wish I had gone for a 205 Challenge car as there is a single series for them split by engine size, shit loads of bits available and a dedicated forum for when you need advice and parts etc
click here]
Oh they also do a RWD challenge in old 3 series Beemers if you fancy getting your tail out :lol: (http://www.205cup.com/forum/)
I sometimes wish I had gone for a 205 Challenge car as there is a single series for them split by engine size, s**t loads of bits available and a dedicated forum for when you need advice and parts etc
click here]
Oh they also do a RWD challenge in old 3 series Beemers if you fancy getting your tail out :lol: (http://www.205cup.com/forum/)
Im sure if you didnt have your drive shaft issues (rough events) and finished you would say the clio was great. For the money you have a great car.
are we saying driveshafts keep failing then?
cAN YOU GET UPRATED ONES
are we saying driveshafts keep failing then?
cAN YOU GET UPRATED ONES
Only on rough event, i havent had any problem but slippy has, as he has done some rougher events, regards upgrades yes you can but on smooth events shouldnt be an issue.
Any update on your progress mate
Any update on your progress mate
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=323538#323538
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http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=323605#323605
I was actually referring to evouk but good write up all the same 8)
I was actually referring to evouk but good write up all the same 8)
SOLD it to Stan at APD and its been stripped of the engine and box for Stan to put a beatie engine and sequential i believe.
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