Original Williams backbox [Archive]

talkingfish

21-03-2008, 14:36

Hi guys,

My backbox is going to need replacing soon - after noting at the FCS last year that virtualy every Willy there had a different backbox I was wondering what an original one looked like....

If they are still about - where can you get them fitted? Renault?

Naturally I want to keep 0425 as original as possible now....

Any help/advice would be appreciated! Cheers. :)

FATBOY

21-03-2008, 17:58

try here http://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/

very helpful. they stock the backbox and cat. think they work out cheaper than renault.

talkingfish

21-03-2008, 19:19

so is that the original one?

northy

21-03-2008, 19:24

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16936&highlight=backbox

talkingfish

21-03-2008, 19:43

so Renault then??

northy

21-03-2008, 19:49

yes but they are expensive from what i know.

You can get pattern part but the tailpipe and backbox design arent the same.

FATBOY

21-03-2008, 21:06

so is that the original one?

as far as im aware it is

northy

21-03-2008, 23:18

so is that the original one?

as far as im aware it is

wont be the same as a original renault one though

Purple

22-03-2008, 00:32

These factory fitted on my '95 Williams

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/ppsun/Backbox1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/ppsun/Backbox2.jpg

northy

22-03-2008, 09:35

wow - everytime i see pictures of your motor im amazed how clean it is pal.....

talkingfish

22-03-2008, 10:21

Purple - thanx for that - looks like Renault then.... by the way your underside looks mint!!

Purple

22-03-2008, 10:39

Those shots were taken a couple of years ago, but generally it looks about the same now. No snow, no grit and underground parking can do that to any car :)

Daz.

22-03-2008, 13:00

yes but they are expensive from what i know.

You can get pattern part but the tailpipe and backbox design arent the same.

They're not as expensive as you'd think.

talkingfish

25-03-2008, 22:44

yes but they are expensive from what i know.

You can get pattern part but the tailpipe and backbox design arent the same.

They're not as expensive as you'd think.

hmmmm - I was quoted £240 from my local stealer to fit a Renault back-box today! £120 for the part and the rest to fit it!!!! They quoted 75 minutes labour to change a backbox!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

MatBrown

25-03-2008, 22:46

Yeah, the original ones need the rear beam lowering to fit.

Mat.

number1

25-03-2008, 23:22

Was about to say, looks like a pig to fit, Diesel Cat Back system FTW

talkingfish

26-03-2008, 10:09

so what price original then... I have been quoted £300 all into fit a stainless powerflow system from the cat back.... if I went for a subtle tailpipe would it make THAT much difference.....

Hozcat

26-03-2008, 11:39

I recently decided to swap the backbox on my williams because I couldn't be doing with the noise anymore (had a powerflow system fitted).

I went to my local motor factors because I didn't fancy paying Renault prices and I got a choice of 2 backboxes.

The more expensive Timax didn't look anything like the images I had seen of the standard exhaust.

The cheaper exhaust (made by Walker) was £66 and looks identical to the pics of the OEM exhaust in this thread. It has the same shape of silencer, the droopy tailpipe and the flat-spots for a snug fit.

Anyone looking to return to standard but not wanting to pay Renault prices may want to consider one of these...

northy

26-03-2008, 11:48

Yeah, the original ones need the rear beam lowering to fit.

Mat.

or u can bend the hanger temporally to get more clearance :wink:

Purple

26-03-2008, 13:47

The cheaper exhaust (made by Walker) was £66 and looks identical to the pics of the OEM exhaust in this thread. It has the same shape of silencer, the droopy tailpipe and the flat-spots for a snug fit.
Do they make an identical centre box as well? If they do, I might be tempted to ship out the centre/back boxes.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/ppsun/centrebox.jpg

Laine_16v

26-03-2008, 16:22

Purple i officially hate you for having the cleanest mk1 clio i have ever seen on the underneath :cry:

:lol:

Hozcat

26-03-2008, 16:26

Do they make an identical centre box as well? If they do, I might be tempted to ship out the centre/back boxes.

When I bought the back box they showed me the catalog drawings and one of the reasons I opted for the Walker was because it looked identical to what I recalled the OEM part to look like, but I can't mind what the centre section looked like.

I've just had a quick look at the Walker on-line catalog but there's nothing listed for the Clio.

I'll take a couple of pics of the back box and post them up at the weekend (it's now on the car) and if I'm passing the motor factors I'll pop in and check out the centre section.

Hoz.

northy

26-03-2008, 17:09

This is what a non genuine replacement centre section looks like

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18254&highlight=center+centre

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/files/dsc00462_191.jpg

Purple

26-03-2008, 23:42

Purple i officially hate you for having the cleanest mk1 clio i have ever seen on the underneath :cry: :lol:
:) Not just yet. Maybe after I shown you the rear arches :? 8)

BristolSam16v

27-03-2008, 01:04

I got a non-genuine backbox before and it was crap, the rear pipe coming out the back just had a bigger metal pipe section welded on the end to make it look like the original rather than actually being part of the exhaust.

Hozcat

07-04-2008, 10:29

Here's a few pics, as promised, of the Walker back-box I bought and fitted to my car.

The pics show it not to be the greatest fit, but please bear in mind that I have fitted this to a pwerflow centre section / cat (this required cutting the centre section down and welding it to the back box). I'm sure the fit could be made perfect if it were fitted to a standard length centre section in the conventional manner.

I haven't had a chance to go back to the motor factors to check out the centre section.

Hoz
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/2008_03290003.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/2008_03290007.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/2008_03290008.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/2008_03290010.jpg

northy

07-04-2008, 10:33

can u take one of the rear of the car please ?

Hozcat

07-04-2008, 10:52

can u take one of the rear of the car please ?

Aye, no bother. It doesn't quite sit central to the bumper cutout but that'll be due to the method of fitting. It doesn't, however, stick out like a one handled wheel-barrow either.

I'll take the pics and post them up tonight if I get the chance.

Hoz

talkingfish

07-04-2008, 12:49

so how much was that backbox? looks pretty similar to the genuine Renault item though.....

Hozcat

07-04-2008, 15:05

so how much was that backbox? looks pretty similar to the genuine Renault item though.....

As posted previously, £66

Hoz.

Daz.

07-04-2008, 15:11

I got mine AGES ago and have only just got round to getting it fitted (next week)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Daz0rz/SSL10694.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Daz0rz/SSL10692.jpg

It would have been put on this week had the car not decided to fail its mot over a caliper and a brake light bulb (amazes me they will not just replace a bulb and class it as a fail - by the way it was working exactly one week ago when I tested them all ready! :roll: )

northy

07-04-2008, 17:11

thats not a standard mid section young daz :wink:

white16valver

07-04-2008, 17:23

I'd get the hammerite out on that - bloody things don't last long!

Daz.

07-04-2008, 18:03

thats not a standard mid section young daz :wink:

It is a renault part chapette, What are the differrences between this and a standard one?

Daz.

07-04-2008, 18:09

or should I just look at the above pictures :D

This one I have was stamped early lasy year so its a possibly revised design.

Laine_16v

07-04-2008, 19:25

I'd get the hammerite out on that - bloody things don't last long!

Hammerite won't stop it, they rot from the inside out.

Hozcat

07-04-2008, 19:54

can u take one of the rear of the car please ?

Here you go Northy.
Hoz
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/DSCF0044.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/DSCF0045.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn103/Hozcat/DSCF0046.jpg

northy

07-04-2008, 19:54

or should I just look at the above pictures :D

This one I have was stamped early lasy year so its a possibly revised design.

lol i will wait for mat browns comments. what label is on it ?

stevie_b

07-04-2008, 21:17

Should mid section look anything like this?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/2stis/cat.jpg

Daz.

07-04-2008, 21:21

^ aye that looks about right

northy

08-04-2008, 08:32

yep thats a genuine part.

More effort required daz!

Purple

08-04-2008, 08:45

Poor Daz :(

If I do ever get rid of my Williams, I will ship it to you piece by piece! :wink:
That way, you will get 100% factory original parts! :D

Daz.

08-04-2008, 15:59

Hey ask renault and they will quote the part number thats on this middle section!

Daz.

08-04-2008, 17:18

Right dammit I knew I was right lol

Just been to the garage and the part number for the midsection is 7700844370.

Dialogys confirms the part number but shows the older midsection as in the pictures above so looks to me like they're now just lazy and fabricate basic looking ones :D

northy

08-04-2008, 19:38

pah not original then in my eyes!

To be original u need to go old school daz

stevie_b

08-04-2008, 22:21

yep thats a genuine part.

More effort required daz!

If I ever end up shipping anything else up your way again Daz I'll chuck it in the box (free) to you or could send separately if you want to pay the postage? (assuming it meets the courier size limit of 120cm - I'd better check after the probs I had last time!). It was only on my car for less than 20k so is in pretty good nick, as you can see in the pic. Then when your current one wears out you can whack this one on for the true original look! :lol:

Daz.

09-04-2008, 06:38

pah not original then in my eyes!

To be original u need to go old school daz

So I'm not allowed to purchase new items anymore then!

Don't talk to me about originality 449 bonnet boy :wink:

Mr B. much obliged! I'll start thinking of things :twisted:

northy

09-04-2008, 08:22