MOT Failure (Longer brake lines required on the front?)

[Adi82]

Failed my MOT for the second time today.

Failed the first one on rusty arches, horn not working (it does you just have to press the one on the stalk not the centre of the steering wheel) and handbrake not working.

Thought i had fixed the handbrake issue as i re-built the mechanisms on the calipers but it seems even with new cables it needs to be tighter. Think i can sort that though.

And today on the second test it failed when the front right brake hose split on the brake test. Its a BF Goodridge braided hose and it has worn out when on full lock right near the solid nut on the inboard point. Is this a common problem as it seems both the front hoses seem to short.

I phoned K-Tec and they said they should measure 215mm which mine are.

So does anyone else ever had this problem and where can i get some longer ones made up?

[Adi82]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/ajr83rt/Picture001.jpg

Photo of the left side on full lock and where the other side has failed

[BRUN]

its very common, go back to standard willy items mate

[Laine_16v]

fook, i have a set of those on order!

[Allan]

Aye they all sell 16v ones as Williams items, but lots of people have had this splitting problem. you need longer if you fit them to a williams or wide tracked car

[Laine_16v]

Why they fook do they sell them as "16v / Williams" kit then, are they idiots?

[eternalife]

Why they fook do they sell them as "16v / Williams" kit then, are they idiots?

Nope the people who buy them even after they have been told of this issue are the idiots :lol:

[BRUN]

Laine send them back, they WILL eventually split

[Adi82]

These have been on the car for nearly 4 years, but im sure the original renault ones would out last them. Not sure if i should get some longer ones made up or go back to standard.

Any one know where i can get some longer braided ones from?

[richy]

phone goodridge direct they will make any you want!

[Laine_16v]

These have been on the car for nearly 4 years, but im sure the original renault ones would out last them. Not sure if i should get some longer ones made up or go back to standard.

Any one know where i can get some longer braided ones from?

I believe the sollution is to order R19 16v braided lines, these should be longer. I will ring them up and check tho.

[lukebartlett2405]

the 19 ones are longer i have them on mine and they r fine

[arj256]

These have been on the car for nearly 4 years, but im sure the original renault ones would out last them. Not sure if i should get some longer ones made up or go back to standard.

Any one know where i can get some longer braided ones from?

I believe the sollution is to order R19 16v braided lines, these should be longer. I will ring them up and check tho.

Yeah as i was saying on sunday have a research into the front R19 16v lines as they all ran widetrack standard.
So hopefully the braided lines would be longer.

It seems a common problem the lines splitting at the front due to them being to short.

[white16valver]

Someone needs to send a strongly worded email about the risks they are putting people under by selling Clio 16v lines that are too short - all they have to do is sell them for Clio 16v only and then re-badge the 19 16v ones as "19 16v / Williams" :roll:

[Adi82]

I have ordered a set of the R19 hoses, the fronts measure 275mm rather than 215mm as in the clio 16V kit. Will let you know how I get on with them!!

[Daz.]

need to check mine actually - they've been on a year now and at the previous service hey said they re-routed mine to stop them from stretching, not sure what that mean but you've just reminded me to find out what they did!

[white16valver]

I have ordered a set of the R19 hoses, the fronts measure 275mm rather than 215mm as in the clio 16V kit. Will let you know how I get on with them!!
Cool, thanks - will be interested to see the results!

[LEEDASH]

how bad were you arches ? what make them fail an mot ?

[Adi82]

Arches were not that bad really. One side is worse than the other, but from what i can tell the panel is still solid so must only be surface rust. I think it was just the MOT centre being a little harsh as i took it to another one reccently and they said its not a failure. Annoying how an MOT test can be determined differently by two different garages!!

[Laine_16v]

This is what i got from Brakes4U regarding the Williams kit...


Hi there

Goodridge have said this kit has been around since 1998 so they are
intrigued to find out why it doesn't fit your car, they sold 2 kits to a
company who are fitting the kits to williams this week so they have asked them to get back to them to see how they get on.
But if your lines do not fit your car then you can send them back no problem for a refund, if you want to try a different set you can but you will need to do a new order.


Regards john

[white16valver]

They're only now looking into the fact they don't fit? :roll:

I'm quite sure that Fred made them aware of it when YS sorted out my brake package 18 months - 2 years ago... :?

Still, if it leads to a resolution on this issue...

If they say they're fine then perhaps they'd like to come and check everyone's that they don't fit properly!!

[Adi82]

Yeah thats exactly the same reply I got. I explained the difference in track width. He is going to get back to me with the results as soon as he can.

[MicKPM]

I can't believe people are still paying over £50 for brake lines that don't fit when you can buy 1m of -03 braided line and all the fittings and make em yourself for around £20.

Bizzare

[white16valver]

We're not all that mechanically minded though ;) :oops: lol

[MicKPM]

Not mechanically minded enough to use a hacksaw to cut the line down to size then slide an aeroquip joint and olive over it and tighten the arse out of it??

I'll make em up for you then for £40 :wink:

[white16valver]

I'm not sure I'd trust me doing my brakes :oops: LoL :lol:

[Laine_16v]

To be fair they are guaranteed for life, so the original poster could send them off to Goodridge and get them repaired for free.

[Chris H]

to be fair the only difference between stock and braided is the outer sheath. teh standard ones don't bulge as anyone thinks. Well they do after oh I dunno 15 years on the damn car.

I always use runner ones as the braided are good at machining through things and tbh for those that are really arsey payign what a tenner every 3 years if you really must for the brake lines is fine.

[eternalife]

The reply from goodridge is not adequate. They are taking into account they fit and work - which they do. The failure of the brakelines is over a period of time.

As they are guaranteed for life - they are not working for the duration of their lifetime. Therefore, this makes goodridge liable. This needs too be explained to them in writing (via recorded deliver).

A number of people need to express these concerns in order to get any resolution from them.



Personally, I would rather order New OEM lines more often as suggested above

[white16valver]

I'd be interested to see what happened if you were braking hard under full lock and they popped off, meaning you then smacked into something you were trying to avoid.

I wonder what the police investigation team would make of them?

[Laine_16v]

Ok i took the plunge and jsut fitted the 16v/Williams hoses, i coulda exhanched them for R19 16v hoses cut i really couldnt be bothered.

They fit perfectly? they dont kink or stretch at all, they dont look anything like the original posters picture, and yes this is with widetrack??

[BristolSam16v]

Ok i took the plunge and jsut fitted the 16v/Williams hoses, i coulda exhanched them for R19 16v hoses cut i really couldnt be bothered.

They fit perfectly? they dont kink or stretch at all, they dont look anything like the original posters picture, and yes this is with widetrack??

Have you tried putting the wheel 2 full lock then looking at the lines?

[Laine_16v]

yes there is no issue! Cliolord will confirm aswell, he fitted them to my car today :)

[Laine_16v]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/P1000241Large.jpg

[BristolSam16v]

that doesnt look like full lock?

[Laine_16v]

Its as full lock as you can go on your own, there was probably an extra cm to go but you have to have a 2nd person holding it on full lock.

Even so theres no chance its going to kink.

[BristolSam16v]

Hmm I think if you got in and held it on full lock ud find its pretty tight, unless goodridge have taken complaints onboard and made them bit longer? don't suppose you measured them :P

[Laine_16v]

Hose was 215mm, whole length of pipes including unions were 245mm

[MatBrown]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/P1000241Large.jpg

Is that more rust i can see? :wink:


Mat.

[Laine_16v]

Thats driveshafts only a few weeks old!! :P

[samboRT]

hmmm I will take a look at mine to see how bad they are.. they are on order at the moment so will fit them/hold them up against to see how they look.

I might just stick with the 16v OEM's rather than running the risk lol

:lol:

[Adi82]

I still havent heard anything from Goodridge yet, guess i will have to phone them this week and complain again.

I managed to finally pass my MOT with R19 front brake lines fitted. I would say they are maybe a little bit longer than required but at least the wont split and there not to long that they are going to catch on anything.

Ideally Goodridge need to make the hoses an extra 30-40mm longer for the williams making them 245-255mm long excluding the union nuts.

[white16valver]

Well done on sorting the R19 lines bodge :) er, I mean fix lol

I'll remember it for if I ever need to replace mine! :)

[Laine_16v]

Laine send them back, they WILL eventually split

And it did.... 2 years later.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/DSC01034.jpg