Clio Prima, Valver project

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Just wanted to get some advice/opinions.

I know of a clean M reg clio prima which requires an engine change.

I was thinking of finding an accident damaged 16v and swapping the engine, gearbox, brakes to the clio prima making a nice little sleeper.

I am looking to run a subtle exhaust and 15" steel wheels with wheel trims.

The Prima has no powersteering or any electrics such as windows or mirrors, therefore reducing the weight and power drain from these systems.

I want the car to look completely original so no vented bonnet or 16v wings.

What problems or issues would i face?

Is it worth doing?

[valver_Karl]

ye prob worth doin, cheap insurance and tax, if ur willing to be dodgy! u gonna change everythin ur-self? if so ye i would!

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I will do it all myself with anyone who wants to help lol.

I will register it all properly.

[valver_Karl]

lol, ye go 4 it then, i must admit i had a 1.1l saxo and i put a 106 gti engine in there, i didnt upgrade anythin else apart from breaks and rear beam, is was fine untill i was showin off, then snaped a shaft, it was well good tho!

i personally dont think u will have a problem, i could be wrong tho,

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Wanted to know if it will all fit in with the original bonnet.

I would also change the driveshafts etc.

Also wanted to know if the valver subframe set up is different and if it will fit to the prima using the standard non flared wings?

[MAXIBOY]

not sure on the bonnet but i think i remember these fit with a few internal mods.
front everything will be fine. rear the axle might be a little wide depending on the drop...

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I wasn't thinking of changing the rear axle. I would swap over the rear brakes though.

Would be nice to have a list of what should be swapped over.

I heard somewhere that the standard bonnet will come in contact in with the inlet manifold which would need grinding down. Would like to know if this is true.

[valver_Karl]

if u dont have the bonnen vent things may get a little hot under there,

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I did think of that but thought it would be ok as I don't rag it in hot weather.

[valver_Karl]

^
u will sometimes,
driving down the road with some good tunes! see a load of fitties (by this time ur well happy) then bang ur gone lol

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Lol, there must be an answer. Perhaps make holes in the back top of the engine bay so air then flows through the scuttle pannel.

There is no way I will try to impress the honeys by ragging a car that looks like it belongs to my mum.

[valver_Karl]

lol ye but they will be loving the clio of love! dono m8, just leave it then but dont rag it for too long, or just keep an eye on the temp gage! or if ur busy get the honeys to keep an eye on it lol

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I was thinking to just watch the temp gauge but that means I have to trust French electronics for the gauge to work. I'm buggered lol.

[valver_Karl]

lol, ul be fine. do it! then take it down pod!

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I just want to surprise people on the roads. Hoping to also have it done for FCS.

[valver_Karl]

ye im hopin mine will be done toooo, u will suprise a load of ppl! but it will get addictive! trust me

[HYBRID_HAZ]

What are you having done?

How would you feel being chased by that.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a133/mr2haz/S3700129.jpg

[Justin..]

lol i remember seeing that on your driveway

[valver_Karl]

lol ul have to have somethin very special to keep up. im havin fully re-built engine, 2.0 megan bottom end, forged crank, fly wheel, con rods, pistons, head work, cam's, re-maped, that's runnin 190bhp, that should all be in also im gettin throttle bodies,should be fun,

oh m8 u should so put a valver engine in there! im sellin mine in the next month or 2

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Has been on my driveway for nearly 3 years. Needs a new engine. This is a car my dad put a bid on ebay not expecting to win. He has the standard engine to fix it but never has.

I was just thinking to make something of it. It is a clean shell and looks so unlikely to be quick.

[valver_Karl]

lol ur right there


pure sleeper

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I saw your post for the engine (how much do you want?)

I was looking to get a complete car with all the parts I wold want and sell the rest off.

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I want to put all the valver stuff in but have it looking exactly the same apart from replacing the alloys with steel wheels with hub cap. Evil.

[valver_Karl]

il take £250 for the engine £400 includin the box

[white16valver]

For a moment there I thought you were saying £250 for the 2.0 lump - in which case I was going to bite your hand off LoL :lol:

[white16valver]

oh, and Haz - might be able to give you a hand if you do it :)

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Cool, not sure if I will go ahead with this yet but it is looking positive.

[lewis_willy2]

a standard bonnet rubs on the inlet. i know this from experience, now my m8s inlet looks gash!!!

get some pics up of that evo :D

[Justin..]

bonnet choppage then surely remove a bit of the inner skin

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Is it possible to grind off a part of the inlet manifold to prevent it from rubbing on the bonnet?

I really don't want to change the appearance of the car in any way so the 16v bonnet is a no no.

I'll post a few pics of the evo in the photo section for ya.

[valver_Karl]

dont try grind anythin m8 really not worth it,
ur not in a rush so take tim to think about it,

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Does anyone know if all the front end suspension and subframe will fit without valver wings?

[lewis_willy2]

subrame fits fine, i swapped the lot from a valver to a 1.4 rt.

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Did this cause any issues with wheels rubbing on the non flared wings?

What size wheels did it have?

[Justin..]

the geometry is essentially the same. only the williams really need the flared wings.

[white16valver]

If it rubs then you could get some higher offset wheels, so they sit further in the arches :)

Although you'd then have to check they weren't rubbing on the inner wings... lol

[HYBRID_HAZ]

This looks likely to go ahead. By having a donor clio 16v and the prima clio will I need to purchase any other items for the conversion or will I have all the parts required?

[Justin..]

will probably only need perishables i would have thought

[white16valver]

Sweet - let us know when you're starting and if you need a hand! :)

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Will let you all know what happens. I need to find a suitable clio 16v to use for the parts first.

[Mr.AdamB]

wuld be a great sleeper!!!

get an f7r and wack in in there.... easy!!!!

[HYBRID_HAZ]

An F7R would be great but I am planning to stick with the 1.8 16v as I can get the whole car cheap and swap the whole subframe.

A williams is more expensive, harder to come by and will not fit the standard wings with the wide track.

Although if I find one at the right price I'm sure I cold fit the F7R using the valver subframe, or some sort of mix and match.

How is the hybrid going mate?

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Unfortunitly it looks like this project will not take place.

After many months of looking for a valver to take the parts from I just found a clean example that I couldn't bare to break so I am just keeping that in standard form (see media section).

If anyone is interested in buying the clio prima then please pm me.

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Got it in mind again to do this project but now trying to decide which setup to go for?

F7P/R or 172 sport engine.

[teabag]

Got it in mind again to do this project but now trying to decide which setup to go for?

F7P/R or 17poo sport engine.

F7 lump tbh would be easy, i could do a full conversion in a day.

oh and when i did my RT i cut the inner skin of the bonnet away to cater for the inlet mani but it still didnt fit right.

if you decided this a few weeks back i could have sold you everything needed for a conversion lol

good luck if you chose to do it...i miss mine soooo much :(

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I am due to collect the donor car for this tomorrow. F7R power 8)

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Does any one have a list of parts I need to remove from the donor car?

[white16valver]

Are you doing the widetrack conversion? Will need those bits if so, but you may have problems with the standard wings!



I might be around to lend a hand if you wanted one, but it would depend on the missus giving me a pass LoL

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Will not be fitting widetrack as it takes away from the standard appearance.

[white16valver]

Cool - sleeper is the way forward :twisted: 8) :D

[spikey-ben]

Are you keeping standard un vented bonnet if so have you thought about running a cooler thermostat or removing it altogether. should keep things alot cooler. :)

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Low temp thermostat sounds the way forward. I will be keeping the non vented bonnet.

[spikey-ben]

Might be worth sneakin a oil cooler into the build aswell. Are you going for f7r lump with tubular manifold if so i would wrap the manifold with exhaust wrap aswell. Gain a little bit more poke from this mod aswell.

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Do you mean a separate aftermarket oil cooler? Does the f7r not have one built in or is this not good enough?

I have not decided if I would be better of with the f7r or f7p manifold.

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Ok the work has started on project Prilliams.

For those who know me will know my projects drag on forever and half the time never get finished so thought I'd add this and maybe motivate me to actually get it done.

So here is the donor.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a133/mr2haz/DSC00305.jpg

And what I have done so far.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a133/mr2haz/Photo060.jpg

[white16valver]

Blimey, you've been working hard! lol

[Winston]

Prilliams.... Love it :D

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Working hard? lol, I did that 2 weeks ago and have done nothing since.

Cheers Winston, was thinking of getting the williams style stickers made up saying Prilliams in white for where the williams stickers usually are. What do you think?

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I have a valver front suspension, brakes setup and intend to fit it this weekend weather permitting.

Is there any other parts I will require for the conversion that I will not be able to use from the williams donor car?

[Will16valver]

My 1st car was an RL Prima, was Cobalt blue too.
i miss my Purple Ronnie 8)

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Front suspension fitted.

What should I change on the rear?

[Winston]

I would leave it on drums.. just fit willy or valver shocks

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Is the rest of the rear setup the same across the clio range apart from the brakes and shock absorbers?

[Winston]

Most use the 4 bar rear axel.... valvers & williams are a touch wider and have discs

[HYBRID_HAZ]

If I transfer the complete rear axel setup from the williams will there be any wheel clearance issues?

[Winston]

Yes :cry:

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Cheers for the info, shocks only it is then.

[white16valver]

It's not like the rear discs do much anyway so I imagine drums will be fine lol

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Knowing the 1.2 rl would I be right in think it probabaly doesn't have a 4 bar rear axel?

Will that be a problem and how do I check it?

[Justin..]

just look underneath and be able to see the torsion bars if its a 4 bar one. just fit an ARB of a ph3 if it makes that much difference

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I have done some more work today on the Williams donor car including starting to take the dash apart.

Which part of the dash loom will I need to transfer? Pics if possible.

[franksvalver]

if i were you i would transfer the whole lot mate

[Justin..]

aye good call ^ might aswell seeing you have the whole car

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Is it not a hard task removing the complete dash without breaking it?

[Justin..]

on your own it would be hard i'd imagine

[franksvalver]

its not hard at all mate. Now try refitting it to another car without missing putting a plug back into teh correct place and putting the dash back on without an annoying bit of loom preventing it from sitting back into place :P

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Sounds like I'm in for fun, but it has to be done I guess.

[franksvalver]

imho i wouldnt call it fun :P

i would replace the heater matrix while you are there mate out of good practice

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Why does the loom need changing? What does it affect?

[franksvalver]

i dont think the prima loom will have the oil dials etc wired up... iirc teh plugs are there but its more agro doing electrics...

plus i dont think you can split the loom without doing a wire by wire strip down...

will make life easier in the long run

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I don't intend to fit the oil clocks. As long as the rev counter will work by fitting rt clocks I'm happy. Oil clocks will take away from the standard look.

I fitted rt clocks in a 1.2 phase 3 before and the rev counter worked with no extra work.

[doug2.0]

whats wrong with the williams? it looks in good condition, seems a bit of a shame.
and i hope your gonna declare the engine swap to te dvla and insurance

[HYBRID_HAZ]

All will be declared.

The Williams is rotten underneath which has been patched in the past. It failed its mot on a number of things and is evident has been accident damaged in the past.

[doug2.0]

well fair enough then should be a good sleeper, i quite like the prima blue too.
the pase 1 grille on the williams hints towards the accident too

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Rest assured I know scrapping a williams is a crime unless it is a really bad example which this is.

[franksvalver]

in that case mate no interior loom needs changing. it should plug and play!

iirc!

[HYBRID_HAZ]

In which case I will remove the loom from the williams and keep it spare incase I change my mind at a later date.

[number1]

You only need to cut away some of the inner skin off the bonnet, i had a standard clio bonnet on a 16v and had to do it, did get hot tho, but i think that was to to with the radiator with a big hole in it...
Think mickpm has done this? with a ph3? think i remember thinking at fcs when we were on track that it was a nippy ph3!! lol

[HYBRID_HAZ]

I am still working on this and the engine will soon be ready to go in.

What I needed to know is I am aware I will need to change the fuel pump but will I also need to fit the williams fuel lines and fuel pump wiring to the 1.2 rl shell or can I use the standard ones on the rl shell?

[HYBRID_HAZ]

Just thought I would give an update of where this is at. On target for FCS09 :D


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[HYBRID_HAZ]

Update, nearly finished.

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[Wobba]

That's going to confuse the hell out of people in 'faster' cars. What a sleeper! Love it :D

[Wobba]

If you are worried about heat from the exhaust manifold it may be worth wrapping it in exhaust wrap tbh, it will help reduce under bonnet temps.