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2 live
11-06-2005, 17:17
just for stromba really this one.....this is the vid of the comparison of what 1/2 sec on the strip equates to on track


bearing in mind my car is only 0.5 sec quiker than the sax down the strip.and the driver is more than an equal for my own capabilities


when summeh hosts it for me ......cheers mate

summeh
11-06-2005, 17:29
http://www.****ingslags.com/willy/2live/jonpassing.mpg

2 live
11-06-2005, 17:56
cheers mate

KingStromba
11-06-2005, 19:50
Dont tell me your trying to say that demonstrates anything useful?

The Honda let through the green car, then braked on the straight. Clearly the driver wasnt confident, or didnt know the circuit. He braked miles before you, and completely fluffed the exit of the previous corner. :roll:

2 live
11-06-2005, 21:19
lol.again stromba...the proof eludes only u


the car i was comparing with is the car the cameras in lol

the teg was driven by a trackday regular, and had driven oulton a few times...and he braked on the straight because theres a fukkin right hand bend there, better to brake in a straight line than mid corner is it not?? lol...and he braked less than a second before me....

KingStromba
11-06-2005, 21:20
He brakes after the corner on the straight

richy
11-06-2005, 21:27
i was in the saxo KS, the cam makes it seem so slow to what was actually happening, that first corner was fast and tight, he shot past us and we was flat out, had to let faster cars past!

KingStromba
11-06-2005, 21:45
Im sorry i dont understand what this is trying to illustrate

Martin
11-06-2005, 21:50
:roll: It's illustrating that Jon drives easily away from the saxo which is 'only' .5 of a second slower up the strip..

KingStromba
11-06-2005, 21:57
So he has a better track set up / more traction out of corners / better grip / more confidence / less fuel on board / or any one of a hundred factors? Dont see how you can take one form of motorsport (drag racing) and use it to conclude much about another from (Track racing).

Bit like saying an F1 car is faster than a rally car down the strip so must be quicker on a rally course. Doesnt work like that.

Martin
11-06-2005, 22:00
ok :roll: I think Jon curled one out before he went on track too..it's obviously is'nt a fair comparison...sheesh!

KingStromba
11-06-2005, 22:01
Basically what your saying is that the only reason Jon was quicker round the track is because he was 0.5 seconds quicker down the strip?

Thats rediculous.

Martin
11-06-2005, 22:14
did I say that ? no I did'nt...I'm not gonna bother argueing :roll:

2 live
12-06-2005, 02:53
Basically what your saying is that the only reason Jon was quicker round the track is because he was 0.5 seconds quicker down the strip?

Thats rediculous.

no ones saying that mate....this is just a little comparison between 2 cars and drivers that were very equal b4 i had the cams n remap..this is the diff between em now..and like on tha strip there is only 0.5 sec between em.this is what it can equate to on a track....dont forget i had to catch him b4 i could pass him.


i knew ud b like this too lol

Jamie.
12-06-2005, 11:10
ur clio rips away from the saxo. i wouldnt have thought that, that was 0.5 secs more like 3/4 secs.

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 12:33
Being 0.5 seconds a lap quicker on a 1/4 mile if translated in a purely distance oriented way to the track (Oulton park circuit length 2.769 miles) would make you 5.538 seconds quicker round Oulton Park.

J o n
12-06-2005, 14:08
how did you get tht figure? you can not work out how much faster it would be around a track from 1/4 mile times! 1/4 mile is a test of acceleration only!
0.5 of a second in acceleration terms, so over 2 miles the car wouldn't be 4 seconds quicker LMAO, and i thought you were 'meant' to be intelligent! Once both cars have reached their top speeds that gap will increase or de-crease accordingly, it has very little to do with their initial accelaration. The initial acceleration is not constant!
BTW, it's Mehdi (clean16v) :wink:

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 14:27
Being 0.5 seconds a lap quicker on a 1/4 mile if translated in a purely distance oriented way to the track (Oulton park circuit length 2.769 miles) would make you 5.538 seconds quicker round Oulton Park.


Is that a little more clear for you? I suggest you learn to read.


Calculation as follows:

0.5 seconds quicker down quatre mile
Circuit length 2.769 miles
Number of 1/4 miles in circuit length = 2.769 / 0.25 = 11.076
Distance pulled over total circuit length = 11.076 * 0.5 = 5.538

Youll notice i put a caveat in the equation that the figures are based on an assumption that distance pulled over first 1/4 mile is the same as for every 1/4 mile.

While this seems a bit flippant, i think that as a quick calculation its falldown is its simplicity, as so often is the case when dealing with numerical models.


And whether i am intelligent or not really depends on your definition of intelligent. There are so many different types of intelligence, that it would be an over simplification to assume that someone is intelligent or not intelligent. I dont think its a simple black or white issue.

2 live
12-06-2005, 15:12
ur clio rips away from the saxo. i wouldnt have thought that, that was 0.5 secs more like 3/4 secs.






trust me mate.....there was only 0.5 sec diff in the cars.....craggys sax ran 14.5s.i now run 14.0s.

and as mehdi said strombs..i think that formula for the time differance is all well and good.but serves no purpose in this equation

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 15:34
I never said it did. I was just responding to your original post, by making a rough calulation of the distance gained.

You cant have it both ways. One minute you say the 1/4 miles correlates to the track. Then when i calculate a rough distance you claim it doesnt.

2 live
12-06-2005, 18:02
no mate were saying this is the diff between 2 cars with 1/2 sec between em down the strip...on 1 corner and a little bit of straight........between 2 cars and drivers that are very similar in terms of speed ability etc.

clean16v
12-06-2005, 19:38
Being 0.5 seconds a lap quicker on a 1/4 mile if translated in a purely distance oriented way to the track (Oulton park circuit length 2.769 miles) would make you 5.538 seconds quicker round Oulton Park.


Is that a little more clear for you? I suggest you learn to read.


Calculation as follows:

0.5 seconds quicker down quatre mile
Circuit length 2.769 miles
Number of 1/4 miles in circuit length = 2.769 / 0.25 = 11.076
Distance pulled over total circuit length = 11.076 * 0.5 = 5.538

Youll notice i put a caveat in the equation that the figures are based on an assumption that distance pulled over first 1/4 mile is the same as for every 1/4 mile.

While this seems a bit flippant, i think that as a quick calculation its falldown is its simplicity, as so often is the case when dealing with numerical models.


And whether i am intelligent or not really depends on your definition of intelligent. There are so many different types of intelligence, that it would be an over simplification to assume that someone is intelligent or not intelligent. I dont think its a simple black or white issue.
Quit while you're behind mate. Unless the cars were stopping and starting every 1/4 of a mile your calculations are useless. Are they not? :lol:

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 19:41
Someone once wrote you cannot reason with an ignorant man.



How apt. :D


Have a nice day.

clean16v
12-06-2005, 19:54
see thats the problem with scientists. Theory and practice are very different things. Why not log off Williams clio, and have a look in the real world for a second?
To use a cars initial acceleration over a 1/4 mile, and then apply it over a longer distance................? acceleration is not constant dude, you don't need to be a scientist to work that out :lol:

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 19:58
Mate, you seem to have some real issues reading posts properly. I would suggest glasses or reading lessons.

Or do you not understand what a caveat is?


When im bored with science and fancy a trip in the real world, all i have to do is apply for a different job. The fact that you could not get a job in any scientific position, i think answers your previous question regarding intelligence, does it not?


Maybe you could list the experience you have of using matematical models? You seen to understand so much about it :roll:

clean16v
12-06-2005, 20:16
Its quite funny how you attempt to switch all the attention from your silly point up there. How about, admit you were stupid for using that equation? admit it is absolutely and utterly useless? we won't laugh :lol:
One question, is your formula up there any use at all or not? Yes or no?
Regards to not getting a job in a scientific position, thats because i have not chosen to study that for the last 3 years. Just in the same way that you couldn't get a job in the Marketing industry without the correct education, so yet again, your point is pretty stupid eh?
And if you want to talk maths, add me to MSN, we can chat about it all day long, its one of my major strengths and in 3 national test at the ages of 11, 16 and 21 i came in the top 5 percentile for my age group. Mathamatical theories, yet again, mean very little if you can't apply them. Similar to your rather stupid application of constant accelaration over the first 1/4 mile, applied to 2.769 miles.
Let me give you a practical example;-
Some small karts can 1/4 mile in 11 seconds, but they terminal at around 90mph. Jon's Clio 1/4 miles at circa 14 seconds, but at a terminal of 98mph. Using your equation up there, the kart should be faster then the Clio over a 2 mile stretch by around 24 seconds. In real life, the clio would be a lot faster.
Is it now clear how silly your point was? I don't meant o make you look a fool, i just don't want you to make the same mistake again :lol:

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 20:53
Being 0.5 seconds a lap quicker on a 1/4 mile if translated in a purely distance oriented way to the track (Oulton park circuit length 2.769 miles) would make you 5.538 seconds quicker round Oulton Park.


Ok, ive quoted my original reply. Lets read it SLOWLY. Because you clearly have some eye to brain miss-connection problem.

Notice the section that states:

'if translated in a purely distance oriented way to the track'

Did you read that?


Well done. Wasnt hard was it?

2 live
12-06-2005, 21:09
lol..yes mate but as mehdi has said.unless we stopping evry 1/4 mile to get the same results as the strip, then ur formula is wrong.


if we stop evry 1/4 mile and set off again, then yes ur formula is correct.

the 1 thing that it seems to ignore is the constant acceleration after the initial 1/4 mile

clean16v
12-06-2005, 21:23
lol..yes mate but as mehdi has said.unless we stopping evry 1/4 mile to get the same results as the strip, then ur formula is wrong.


if we stop evry 1/4 mile and set off again, then yes ur formula is correct.

the 1 thing that it seems to ignore is the constant acceleration after the initial 1/4 mile
SEE! Even Jon thinks you're stupid :P

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 21:26
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KingStromba
12-06-2005, 21:28
lol..yes mate but as mehdi has said.unless we stopping evry 1/4 mile to get the same results as the strip, then ur formula is wrong.


if we stop evry 1/4 mile and set off again, then yes ur formula is correct.

the 1 thing that it seems to ignore is the constant acceleration after the initial 1/4 mile
SEE! Even Jon thinks you're stupid :P

Can you point out where in this post i said the calculation was:

1. Accurate

2. Relevant

3. That im bothered about it

It was simply following on from what Jamie said and was really in response to his post, and was really for him. But now youve wasted loads of time arguing with me over nothing (bearing in mind im working and have got nothing better to do), who is the one that looks stupid?


8) haha


I can do this sort of shit all day, im suprised you bother replying. But im sure youll come back for more. They all do. :D

KingStromba
12-06-2005, 21:48
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Fishing.jpg

MrAtego
12-06-2005, 22:40
My 182's faster than all of em!!!! :wink:

clean16v
13-06-2005, 00:25
My job is done, the old fishing line comes in to play. Who says i wasn't fishing? :wink:
I'm glad you realsie your mistake, at least you won't make it again.
Have a nice day, Mehdi.

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 09:36
Like i said, they always come back for more.

Anything else blown up on that car yet? Or just the gearbox so far? Some of us are having a little sweap stake as to the next thing to break if you could let us know that would be ace. :D

J o n
13-06-2005, 09:39
why would the engine break, Kill Power didn't do it... no smoke from this one ;)

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 09:55
Those pistons were forged from granite in the fires of hades. Thats not smoke, its the devil himself smoking a cigar in the engine.


You talk about Hillpower like i race my car or am bothered about a few BHP. If i wanted a race car i would have fitted throttle bodies instead of rebuilding the engine. Doesnt bother me too much that there are faster Williams' out there. My car is a restoration project, not a race car and im more interested in other aspects of ownership. Its just too easy to wind up the 'racers' on here. :roll:

And in terms of what i wanted from Nick, he did an amazing job. Lots of shiny new parts, a completely cleaned and rust proofed engine bay, running nice and cool, oil pressure tweaked to help longivety of the engine, and he even washed the car when i got it back.

The only things i want to do to it now are replace the driveshafts, gearbox and a few other older parts. :D

clean16v
13-06-2005, 11:43
Nope, looking good so far thanks Stromba. It's terrorising the streets of Manchester as we speak!
Bare in mind i sold an S3 to fund this little project, and i am fully aware of the stresses the MOST POWERFUL N/A CLIO will have on the driveshafts and 'box. It's a sacrifice i am willing to take.
Why did you buy a Clio Williams? You sound like a Volvo driver!
It's like taking steroids Stromba, you push your body past it's natural limits, now you may look like The Hulk, and build a false sense of security around that fact, but as with everything, its a trade off, like penis size, mood swings, and generally looking and acting like a freak (or maybe that isn't the steroids?).

dannyt
13-06-2005, 12:18
yer it looked quite quick that Jon, well done!

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 12:29
Nope, looking good so far thanks Stromba. It's terrorising the streets of Manchester as we speak!
Bare in mind i sold an S3 to fund this little project, and i am fully aware of the stresses the MOST POWERFUL N/A CLIO will have on the driveshafts and 'box. It's a sacrifice i am willing to take.
Why did you buy a Clio Williams? You sound like a Volvo driver!
It's like taking steroids Stromba, you push your body past it's natural limits, now you may look like The Hulk, and build a false sense of security around that fact, but as with everything, its a trade off, like penis size, mood swings, and generally looking and acting like a freak (or maybe that isn't the steroids?).

SECOND MOST POWERFUL N/A CLIO.

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19743&highlight=#19743


Throttle bodies, forged pistons, forged rods,lightened and balanced bottom end,cams with 320 deg, double valve springs and titanium retainers and a 9100 rev limit.



Haha. Nice try. And yours isnt even a Williams 8)

J o n
13-06-2005, 12:45
think he just mentioned it... dont see that as being obsessive really... by the same logic because he mentioned terrorism and Hulk does it mean he's a comic obsessed terrorist? possibly a mege villian, the kind of which is akin to a James Bond movie? lol :roll:

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 12:49
So why did he write it in capitals then?


Anyway, whether he likes it or not, its not the most powerful. And isnt even a Williams. :lol:

Zollo
13-06-2005, 13:06
Neither is that Greek one though? :?

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 13:17
Yes it is it has a plaque. Look at the pics.

Zollo
13-06-2005, 13:19
I have forged pistons, forged rods,lightened and balanced bottom end,cams with 320 deg, double valve springs and titanium retainers.If you watch it very well.........is not an original willy :oops: I don't think that we have (here in Greece) more than 5-10 original willys :cry: Before these cams i had kent RN2004 and couldn't rev above 8300.Now i thing hits 9300 easily :P
Dimitris

From the horses mouth.

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 13:25
Ahh fair play. Saw the plaque and assumed it was. My mistake.

Zollo
13-06-2005, 13:32
:)

clean16v
13-06-2005, 15:29
My bad, i should have put in the UK. And i am SURE there are more powerful Clio's in the world then mine and Dimitris. And no it's not a Williams, now would it make financial sense to buy a Williams to completely rip it apart?

Andyvalver
13-06-2005, 16:04
Fight fight fight :D

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 16:58
Stromba, you push your body past it's natural limits, now you may look like The Hulk


Cheers for the compliment. :D

Martin
13-06-2005, 17:06
Green and Angry looking?

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 17:08
Green and Angry looking?

Lou Ferrigno the actor that played the hulk had an amazing physique. Made arnold look like he had spahetti arms.

Zollo
13-06-2005, 17:11
Green and Angry looking?

Lou Ferrigno the actor that played the hulk had an amazing physique. Made arnold look like he had spahetti arms.

Ah, but he still didn't beat Arnie though. He had to wait until he'd retire before he won anything!

Have you seen Pumping Iron? Love it!

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 17:13
'You see Arnold, the wolf at the top of the hill, isnt as hungry as the wolf climbing the hill'


'....thats true, but when he wants the food its there'

Zollo
13-06-2005, 17:21
That's a yes then :shock:

I felt sorry for poor old Lou, those were some serious mind games Arnie was playing on him.

Haven't seen it for ages - not got a video player any more :roll:

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 17:24
'Arnold? Arnold? Do you drink skim milk?'


'Milk is for babies.....when you grow up, you drink beer'

Zollo
13-06-2005, 17:49
Made arnold look like he had spahetti arms.

Hmmm, that sounds like something similar to what Lou's dad would say...

KingStromba
13-06-2005, 17:52
'Louey, you have the biggest arms the world has ever seen.....Arnold has spaghetti arms'