The Law....

[1995clio16v]

I got stopped by the police tonight, 1 bulb out. I had no problem with him stopping me after all he was only doing his job.

But, he had absolutely no interest in engaging in conversation with me whatsoever which led me to thinking what an obnocious blah blah blah. If someone phones me up at work and starts having banter or cracking jokes with me I engage in the topic....PERIOD...SO WHY DO POLICE DIFFER? He was talking to me like I was 17, im 25 years old.

I had no problem whatsoever in him stopping me just to clarify this.

Got home and tea was cold but apart from that im cool!!! :twisted:

Got a producer too which is a bit of inconvenience. I have to go to an MOT station 5mile away and get some stupid paper stamped, drive 10mile to the police station to get it clarified, then drive 10mile all the way back. What a load of crap IMO. If id have been doing 90 in a 30mph, whilst on my phone trying to read a map, having a fag then yeah i agree, but all for a bulb which by chance I had ordered last night from the interent, not that he beleived me.

My main questions is the following:

ALL HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, MINE ALL DECLARED I MUST ADD:-

At which point do you become 'un-insured' with after market modifications that are undeclared? Does it finish at items that were not on the standard factory car, period?

Let me continue...

Say for example you didnt declare you had a full exhaust system on which clearly increases performance. I accept that this may affect your insurance policy.

But...

Then say you had a set of £7.99p xenon legal watt bulbs installed would this void your insurance if not declared?

I have made the 2 comparisons because they're so chalk and cheese but IT IS THE PRINICPAL IMO, theyre both equal but one is so ridiculous to the other.

Cheers


:o

[evouk]

Did he give you a VDRS form as part of the producer?

Also if you knew that you had a light out then you should not be using the vehicle on a road as its classed as an offence.

I know what you mean when the police dont engage in conversation, some good coppers out there and some bad, you get this is every job.

Was it a headlight?

[1995clio16v]

Did he give you a VDRS form as part of the producer?

Was it a headlight?

VDRS, yep.

Yep, headlight too.

It only went out sat, so ordered one last night.

I know theyre only doing 'their Job' but giving me a VDRS for the headlight is just bullshit.

Thats such an inconvenience!!

Whats the situation with insurance being void if not declaring modifications, no matter how trivial, does anyone know?

:?

[Daz.]

Should have said you didn't know it was out must have just gone out as you test your lights every week being a responsible driver :D

[1995clio16v]

Should have said you didn't know it was out must have just gone out as you test your lights every week being a responsible driver :D

Well i'll have to remember that one for next time if it means no VDRS! :lol:

[evouk]

The best thing to say when you get pulled is "i checked it before i set off" trust me.

Regarding the inurance with mods, if you dont declare any NON FACTORY STD items then technically you will not have cover should the insurance company want to try and get out of paying any claim, some insurance companies are getting specially trained investigators out to look at cars now and they will clock anything non standard easily.

When getting quotes they do ask, is the car modified>?

You can also get into trouble witht he police for obtaining an insurance certificate by giving false information....

[drsmith1979]

one thing to say to your insurer is to produce some quotes from renault for a replacement willy exhaust and prove they are stupidly priced, an aftermarket stainless steal one is cheaper and will last longer. i did this on my Evo and it didnt affect my insurance at all.

personally, if there was an accident i would take off all the modded parts and swap for standard parts - which is why you should keep them if you can. obviously circumstances can make this impossible, but for me, an exhaust and filter wont invalidate your insurance. claim you bought the car like that and presumed it was standard as it passed its mot... within reason 8)

[Wobba]

Policeperson, as with all people, come in all shapes and sizes. I've met (been pulled by) one or two jobsworths, but they may have just been having a bad day. Most of the time they've been pretty decent, I've been let off speeding tickets, and escorted at high speed whilst in my scooby as I was lost on some backroads at 4 am too, they showed me the way to my hotel :)

[Matty86]

if your car is modified, your insurers are still bound to provide atleast TP cover, so you can't be prosecuted for driving without insurance

however, in the event of an accident/claim, your insurer can then refuse to pay out and try to recover any other costs from you, which can get expensive.


thats just what i'd heard anyway

[evouk]

some insurers will still pay out for any loss to other cars, property etc but will not pay anything to you and like you said will look at getting all there loss back of you through the courts.

although some insurers will turn round point blank and state VOID insurance.

[Rob72]

usual scenario with the polis...good cop bad cop.
couldnt av been jist the one who did u over.

jist dont be cheeky wi them ..thats your best chance wi them.

[Tullyvernon]

I got stoped for going through an amber light, apparently it was red but i thought i got it in time. the poilice man was wile dead on, chatted away, i almost forgot he was sending me to cort for an expected 3 points and a £62 fine :lol:

[Crossers]

As above, some bobbies are fine, others are tits...and that comes from bobby! Same goes with every profession.

There's four options for dealing with your offence:

1) Verbal advice,
2) Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme (VDRS)
3) Non-Endorsable Fixed Penilty Notice (30 pound fine)
4) Court summons

Looking at that, you didn't do sooo badly did you?!

As for insurance, depends on mod and insurance inspector.

Paul

[titcharoony]

no one likes traffic - even coppers. think about it, boring as fook. Id hate it. just driving about looking for bald tyres, think id probably turn into an arse aswell.
dont understand post above? meaybe ive missed sumthing. offence? Surely uve just got the producer..u produce ur documents - end of?

[evouk]

he has to produce documents and go to an mot approved garage and get the light checked out and the slip stamped and send it off to the ticket office.

[titcharoony]

hmmm

[drsmith1979]

the police in general dont like or want older cars on the road, so they are going to squeeze the owners and pull them for lots of things as a warning to other drivers to keep them in tip top shape or else... lol

it wont be long before you have to have a seperate tax for older cars and insurance will become harder to get.

[Matty86]

I got stoped for going through an amber light, apparently it was red but i thought i got it in time. the poilice man was wile dead on, chatted away, i almost forgot he was sending me to cort for an expected 3 points and a £62 fine :lol:

I've heard that that is one of the things traffic police hate the most

[drsmith1979]

as said, police are human and have good and bad days, they all have their particular pet hates.... for me, if police issued more cautions instead of fixed penalty notices and points, it would serve to build a better raport. Police do have the discretion to let you go etc.. but most wont due to pressure to perform and conviction rates etc....

one caution or so and then if caught again they get fined without questions etc... obviously relates to the severity of the offence, but to simply fine people everytime they are stopped or be cooonts about things is only going to serve to drive an even larger wedge between her majesties finest and the general public.

Personally i think people should be able to go on government funded courses to teach them the specifics of the law, so when the police officer starts quoting references and infringements, the joe public can either agree with them or tell them they are talking bollocks 8)

[Crossers]

^^ Thats what solicitors are for :wink: lol

Paul

[drsmith1979]

best system is in the USA... get a fine or points and you simply pay a lawyer to get it quashed for around $250.. no points on licence! the police do it to simply generate finances in the legal industry!

[1995clio16v]

no one likes traffic - even coppers. think about it, boring as fook. Id hate it. just driving about looking for bald tyres, think id probably turn into an arse aswell.
dont understand post above? meaybe ive missed sumthing. offence? Surely uve just got the producer..u produce ur documents - end of?

Ive no problem with producing my documents at all.

But come on...getting me to go to an mot station to get my book stamped because of a headlight out. :roll:

I know there's the law and all that, but common sense does need to prevail at times!!

He did tell me 'thanks for stopping' though as I was leaving his vehicle! lol!

My main query was the insurance and modifications question.

:o

[titcharoony]

never said u did have a problem with producing ur documents -sorry for leaving the thread a stray tho....

[titcharoony]

duhhh.... 'leading'

[Hit Man]

I got stopped by the police tonight, 1 bulb out. I had no problem with him stopping me after all he was only doing his job.

Shut up then

But, he had absolutely no interest in engaging in conversation with me whatsoever which led me to thinking what an obnocious blah blah blah. If someone phones me up at work and starts having banter or cracking jokes with me I engage in the topic....PERIOD...SO WHY DO POLICE DIFFER? He was talking to me like I was 17, im 25 years old.

So whats your problem? His job isnt to engage in mindless conversation with you, you're not his friend/pal/buddy/lover, your a criminal who is breaking the law!

I had no problem whatsoever in him stopping me just to clarify this.

Got home and tea was cold but apart from that im cool!!! :twisted:

Got a producer too which is a bit of inconvenience. Not as much of a convenience compared to if a motorcyclist had been over taking a car and only seeing one headlight approaching, thinking it was another motorcyclist and safe to proceed................eh?.

I have to go to an MOT station 5mile away and get some stupid paper stamped, drive 10mile to the police station to get it clarified, then drive 10mile all the way back. What a load of crap IMO. If id have been doing 90 in a 30mph, whilst on my phone trying to read a map, having a fag then yeah i agree, but all for a bulb which by chance I had ordered last night from the interent, not that he beleived me.

Yeah yeah, who orders a bulb from the internet? :roll:

My main questions is the following:

ALL HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, MINE ALL DECLARED I MUST ADD:-

At which point do you become 'un-insured' with after market modifications that are undeclared? Does it finish at items that were not on the standard factory car, period?

Let me continue...

Say for example you didnt declare you had a full exhaust system on which clearly increases performance. I accept that this may affect your insurance policy.

But...

Then say you had a set of £7.99p xenon legal watt bulbs installed would this void your insurance if not declared?

I have made the 2 comparisons because they're so chalk and cheese but IT IS THE PRINICPAL IMO, theyre both equal but one is so ridiculous to the other.

Cheers


:o

HAHAHA on you not declaring your mods.........hypothetical my arse :roll:

[titcharoony]

he's not a criminal - fool.

[white16valver]

Yeah yeah, who orders a bulb from the internet? :roll:

Er, Me for a start.

If one of mine goes then I need to order online as nowhere local does PIAA bulbs.

Same as for cars with HIDs - yes, you could go to the dealer and spend £££ on a new bulb, but why do that when you can get them for under £20 a pair fom HK?

And yes I could get a crap halfords bulb, but I would actually like to see where I'm going...

[u33db]

At which point do you become 'un-insured' with after market modifications that are undeclared? Does it finish at items that were not on the standard factory car, period?


I think its up to the descression of the inspector.

My experiences;

- Head-on smash in an R5...lowered, alloys, splitter undeclared and both cars written off....nothing said about mods and complete payout.
- Megane written off into lampost...exhaust, lowered, IK, 17s, 285 discs, spoiler, splitter all undeclared...nothing said and got complete payout.

Obviously if i'd ploughed into a bus stop of kids things might have been different but my opinion is if no-one gets hurt then undeclared mods aren't going to be a problem come inspection time.

Either way I wouldn't be sweating about some uprated bulbs if i were you! :)

[Andyvalver]

Its your responsibility to check that your car is in ful working order before you drive it. Thats what they say when you take your driving test. Police can be petti though. I keep a few bulbs in my car so if i get pulled i just say "cheers officer, ive got one in the car" 8)

[stevie_b]

I keep a few bulbs in my car so if i get pulled i just say "cheers officer, ive got one in the car" 8)

That's a good idea - I keep a full set in my car too (apart from the Xenons on the Beemer, but they are supposed to last yonks) and the Beemer actually tells you when a bulb fails and then reminds you every time you start up so I've never had an issue with the law. I can't see many coppers giving you a VDRS or other hassle if you have spares with you and get out there and then and replace it in front of them.

Back on the original topic, if you are worried about them giving you grief with the producer that your insurance is invalid since the car has been modified then don't be. It's the insurance guys only who might take an interest in that, in the event of a large claim.

[1995clio16v]

I got stopped by the police tonight, 1 bulb out. I had no problem with him stopping me after all he was only doing his job.

Shut up then

But, he had absolutely no interest in engaging in conversation with me whatsoever which led me to thinking what an obnocious blah blah blah. If someone phones me up at work and starts having banter or cracking jokes with me I engage in the topic....PERIOD...SO WHY DO POLICE DIFFER? He was talking to me like I was 17, im 25 years old.

So whats your problem? His job isnt to engage in mindless conversation with you, you're not his friend/pal/buddy/lover, your a criminal who is breaking the law!

I had no problem whatsoever in him stopping me just to clarify this.

Got home and tea was cold but apart from that im cool!!! :twisted:

Got a producer too which is a bit of inconvenience. Not as much of a convenience compared to if a motorcyclist had been over taking a car and only seeing one headlight approaching, thinking it was another motorcyclist and safe to proceed................eh?.

I have to go to an MOT station 5mile away and get some stupid paper stamped, drive 10mile to the police station to get it clarified, then drive 10mile all the way back. What a load of crap IMO. If id have been doing 90 in a 30mph, whilst on my phone trying to read a map, having a fag then yeah i agree, but all for a bulb which by chance I had ordered last night from the interent, not that he beleived me.

Yeah yeah, who orders a bulb from the internet? :roll:

My main questions is the following:

ALL HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, MINE ALL DECLARED I MUST ADD:-

At which point do you become 'un-insured' with after market modifications that are undeclared? Does it finish at items that were not on the standard factory car, period?

Let me continue...

Say for example you didnt declare you had a full exhaust system on which clearly increases performance. I accept that this may affect your insurance policy.

But...

Then say you had a set of £7.99p xenon legal watt bulbs installed would this void your insurance if not declared?

I have made the 2 comparisons because they're so chalk and cheese but IT IS THE PRINICPAL IMO, theyre both equal but one is so ridiculous to the other.

Cheers


:o

HAHAHA on you not declaring your mods.........hypothetical my arse :roll:

Hmmmm, no comment on you sir.

This is a friendly forum.

Go back to cliosport.net

:roll:

[1995clio16v]

Cheers as alway for all your replies guys btw!

The friendly peeps!
:wink: :o

[drsmith1979]

when you go to give your details to the police station you will be dealt with by the front desk staff, to be honest they dont really give a shit, they just note down the insurance numbers, company, etc... the last time i had a producer i simply went down with everything and they took 30 secs to jot down the codes and ref numbers and said thanks thats all.

They have no idea what car i was driving or mods etc... they just want to know its legal, once it is, the issuing officer is notified and the case is either closed or pursued dependant on outcome.. failure to produce etc..

[Matty86]

as i said above, mods are nothign to do with the po po...

tax/insurance/mot/licence/driver is their territory

[donsrno1]

Tbh I've not read all the replies but from my experience it can just vary hugely as each officer is different. I got stopped by the police when I was walking home about a week ago as I was absolutely hammered (pleave not I was walking, not driving, lol). They said they wanted to do a search and person check which was fair enough really due to the time in the morning and the fact I was pretty drunk :lol:. In the end I had a bit of a banter with the guys and got offered a lift home, but unfortunately I lived a bit far away and he couldn't give me a lift as I was waiting on a bus. So really it just depends who pulls you over as I've had others who have been absolute arseholes.