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Bailey_1260
09-01-2008, 15:02
I'll try and keep it short,

New lump F7R 700 into 16v shell (chassis C57D L reg ph1)

looms are different, not tried starting yet but pretty obvious it isnt going to work.

Old loom isnt an option, its dead. If it comes to it i will get a new one but I want to try to bodge it first.

Does anybody have, or know where i can get (diologys etc) the pin diagrams for both these looms and the chassis loom for the vehicle?

cheers, bailey
Laine_16v
09-01-2008, 18:31
Ive just been through this ordeal, the best thing you can do is yo find yourself another phase 1 loom. (Not ph1.5 or ph2 loom).

I really wouldnt bother trying to reqire a phase 2 loom, its a minefield and easy to cockup.

Before you buy another ph1 loom, make sure the pin layour on the brown and white plugs are identical wire/pin layout to your old loom or chassis loom plugs.
Bailey_1260
09-01-2008, 18:49
see i dont know whether its ph1 or 1.5 originaly
MatBrown
09-01-2008, 19:18
L reg is normally ph1.5 but obv could be a late registered ph1.


Mat.
Bailey_1260
09-01-2008, 19:53
AFAIK it is a ph1.5 but dont know for sure.

MAtt do you have any looms in matt and how much are they?

also, if anybody does have a pin layout or know where i can get them from i would be so greatfull, im quite a handy electrician and cant see it being a hard job as long as i knw where everything is.

Bailey
MatBrown
09-01-2008, 20:12
I've defo got a phase 1 loom here as it's just been taken off an engine going into a williams.
Would have to look for a ph1.5.


Mat.
Bailey_1260
09-01-2008, 23:52
anybody know where i could find out?

there must be a record of it somewhere, dont want an ECU pin readout as im using a willy ecu.
Laine_16v
09-01-2008, 23:53
Ok look under the relay cover by the battery.

There is a big brown plug and a white plug. Unconnect them and look at the plug, they have co-ordinates on them for the wires...

Ph1 loom has 3 yellow wires in brown plug (A1, C7, D6)

Ph1.5 loom has 2 yellow wires in brown plug (A1, D6), but is missing the C7 wire.

Ph2 has 2 yellow wires in brown plug (A1, D6), but is missing the C7 wire.
but also has 4 purple wires into white socket.
Bailey_1260
10-01-2008, 12:26
cheers, will have a look. old loom has red and yellow wires in it but new one has just 2 purple ones. can anyone identify what looms these are.

And is there anyone anywhere that has a list of what each co-odrinate reprisents?

bailey
Bailey_1260
10-01-2008, 17:58
Bump, lastditch attemt before i have to use this thread :)

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288398#288398
MatBrown
10-01-2008, 18:47
cheers, will have a look. old loom has red and yellow wires in it but new one has just 2 purple ones. can anyone identify what looms these are.

And is there anyone anywhere that has a list of what each co-odrinate reprisents?

bailey

The one with 2 purple wires is a willy loom.


Mat.
Bailey_1260
10-01-2008, 19:34
The one with 2 purple wires is a willy loom.


Mat.

not compatable then? cheers

bailey
MatBrown
10-01-2008, 23:33
Dunno TBH, never tried it in a phase 1, it works fine in a phase 2.


Mat.
Bailey_1260
11-01-2008, 00:15
Dunno TBH, never tried it in a phase 1, it works fine in a phase 2.


Mat.

hmm, AFAIK the white plug in the ph1 has all the pump wiring whereas the willy plug only has the 2 purple ones (and they dont match up)

If i had a wrecked willy loom i recon i ould quite easily trace all the connections to the plugs and splice the old cabin plugs on to the new loom but no-one seems to know the connections or where i can find them
Laine_16v
11-01-2008, 01:08
Alternatively save yourself all this hassle and get my loom ;)
phantome46
11-01-2008, 11:05
I think we should invest some time in identifying the differenr looms and then if you can modify them to make them work? i.e a PH1 to Ph 1.5 etc as I would have thought all looms control the same functions!!
Bailey_1260
11-01-2008, 11:38
Alternatively save yourself all this hassle and get my loom ;)

sorry for not replying mate, loking at my finances im going to have to wait till pay day. if you still have it i will have it off you mate.

cheers Bailey.
Bailey_1260
11-01-2008, 11:39
I think we should invest some time in identifying the differenr looms and then if you can modify them to make them work? i.e a PH1 to Ph 1.5 etc as I would have thought all looms control the same functions!!

I could do it quite easily if i had some looms to trace.

If anyone has a battered willy loom (with the 2 purple wires on the white plug) thats going in the bin let me know and i will give you a few penies for it.

Bailey
Bailey_1260
11-01-2008, 18:39
Bump
sunny_rsi
02-03-2008, 17:05
i jus got my williams 3 wiring loom to work in my Jreg ph1 hybrid.

all i did was sawp the wires on the brown and the white blocks (by taking the pins out of the block) around on the williams 3 loom so it mathched my old ph1 loom.only problem was on the williams3 loom had 2 different colour wires in the brown block which i left there.

after all that i turned the key, i heard my fuel pump prime and it fired up.i have not driven it yet as im getting some work done,so hopefully should b ok.