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1995clio16v
04-01-2008, 23:50
Is this guy having a laugh about the box??

We would all be at it on here otherwise...surely!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1994-Renault-Clio-1-8-16v-modified_W0QQitemZ330201884493QQihZ014QQcategoryZ9 861QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would of thought that would be nigh on impossible unless u gave some serious mods, but even at that not possible on an F7R/F7P??

Bailey_1260
05-01-2008, 00:02
can use a 172 cup box as it has a mechanical speedo output, however LSD is not standard and AFAIK is very expensive, MAXIBOY im sure can clear that up.

MAXIBOY
05-01-2008, 00:06
yes can use a early 172/cup box but as stated lsd is not standard and cost 800 odd quid. only real upgrade of 172 box is the bolt in circlip. maybe this has a cup race car box or was a great find as cup owner had fitted an lsd..

richy
05-01-2008, 00:08
just to point out, so far every 172 cup ive had the box out of has had a circlipped diff, but the 182s have had a bolted diff

MAXIBOY
05-01-2008, 00:11
cheers mate thats worth knowing. though its an easy upgrade once apart.

richy
05-01-2008, 00:16
yeah esp if fitting a lsd!

i was told they was bolted and tbh was abit suprised to see the circlip there! done a few at work now and all same so far!!

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 01:35
out of curiousity, whats the best box for the willy?

im currently running a fully rebuilt original JC5 and its mint mint and very sure of itself, just wondering!

MAXIBOY
05-01-2008, 11:45
the one you have

richy
05-01-2008, 15:56
best one is std jc5 but new and with a LSD lol

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 16:39
how much to put an lsd system in it? isn't there a cool little mechanism you can buy than goes in the box that gives the same results as an lsd but costs f-all? seem to remember a Bulgarian guy doing something on an old fiesta forum?

richy
05-01-2008, 16:46
not sure tbh, not heard of that

but a LSD costs on average around £800-1k depending make and type etc

you then need fitting etc on top

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 17:33
here we go, not sure if its suitable for a willy box though...

www.phantomgrip.com

anyone looked into it?

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 17:45
says they do a kit for the 5gt so surely they can do one for the williams? would be a cool fix too with the exchange rate.... oh and the fact im going to the states in a month hehe ...group buy central! ;)

richy
05-01-2008, 17:51
hmmm lol

tbh i will proberly stick with a proper LSD if i was to get one!

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 17:53
yeah but think about it, if its $299 retail, with exchange rate thats circa £150 + fitment..... when compared to over £1000? got to be worth an investigation?

richy
05-01-2008, 18:01
yeah but think about it, if its $299 retail, with exchange rate thats circa £150 + fitment..... when compared to over £1000? got to be worth an investigation?

tell ya what, you buy one and do a WC product review :wink: then i might think about it lol

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 18:03
haha i might just have to do that! ive already emailed them to see if they can make one to fit so will let you all know, may be interesting to pick up a second hand box and **** around with it! ;)

richy
05-01-2008, 18:08
:wink: lol could do that i suppose!!

cliorod
05-01-2008, 19:26
Just out of interest,
I have had some hubs made for a mates Vauxhall engined Corolla rally car and also the halfshafts,by a very reputable drive train manufacturer,they make and build 5/6 speed sequential boxes for the Ford type 9 gearboxes and are currently looking at FWD Sequentials.He can/would make LSD's,with a variety of Final Drives to fit the JB5 boxes ~~ I left him one to size up etc etc.Also a bolt in shaft arrangement using racing style "doughnuts " very similar to what is on the AVANTI WEBSITE If anyone is serious about one,depending on the interest,I would get a quotation ~~ no problems,obviously the more he gets orders for the cheaper they are :wink:

drsmith1979
05-01-2008, 20:00
ball park rod? we talking mega money? £500+? thats mega to me haha

cliorod
06-01-2008, 17:54
Fraid so DR :cry: :cry: around the 1k area ~~ but that is a proper manufactured diff ~~ not a modified std one,~~ with the capability of being able to swap final drives,ie bolt on crown wheel and pinion ~~ these would retail about £150.
It depends on how many are ordered ~~ as with most things the more you get the cheaper it becomes.The guy has had enquiries from some 5Gt Turbo people,I explained to him (owner of company) that these would fit ok,as the Turbo box is a JB5 !!! :wink:

105epwr
06-01-2008, 18:27
Right - a lesson in Renault gearboxes. the JB type or the JC type. The JC is the stronger despite what other people claim. The Williams unit should be a JC & depending how early the 172 is could well be a JC also. There is usually an ID tag on one of the main bolts or is on a label on the 5th gear tin end cover with the bar code. If non of these then look in the bellhousing & see if the front nose where the release bearing slides is bolted on with 2 x 13mm headed bolts - or is fixed in as part of the front input bearing. The JC has the bolted front nose. Both units suffer problems, but the JC is far more preferable as all the bearings are tapers & are fixed in, whereas the JB uses ballraces that are held in place in the top casing with flimsy circlips that break & chew the casing up. The biggest problem with the JC is that the pinion bearing starts to break up & blocks the oilways in the mainshaft & seizes 1st gear. It doesn't have to be a performance model to do this - Lagunas (especially diesels) are renowned for it. I had a Williams one in about a month ago for a tosser who wouldn't pay for a proper job - so he went down the 172 route with a secondhand unit & dumped his box on us - so we've sorted it & put it on the shelf & it'll go sometime in the future. The other thing about these 2 units is don't they have a different top mounting configuration (bolt spacings) - or is that only the later Clio? somone sent me that-a gear box specialist=clever bloke