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Yamaha_YzF-R1
31-12-2007, 00:00
First of all I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this topic, but i did not find anywere else...
My question is if anyone has raced a rallye, am talking about a stock valver against it. I saw some vid in youtube of it's acceleration and I saw it doing 0-60 in 7-7.5 secs stock, and that is a 1.6....

titcharoony
31-12-2007, 00:17
wasnt the 1.6 rallye the second version of the original rallye? ive raced one in an r5 turbo and was definately quicker. that was a std 1.4 turbo. i didnt think they were up to much on the straight. round corners it soon caught up though. seemed amazing on the twistys

J o n
31-12-2007, 11:56
my missus old 1.6 Rallye was about as quick as her ph2 172... they are rapid little cars

dan-hipgrave
31-12-2007, 12:01
If they are anything like the 106 GTi, they are quick. My valver got passed like it wasnt moving! Dead even when i whacked an F7R in there though..

The 106 GTi vs Valver has been covered before..

geesus
31-12-2007, 13:28
my mate has got a 1.1 106 converted to gti engine

in sure we will have a comparison when my f4r powered valver is ready :twisted:

Danlp6
31-12-2007, 13:54
If they are anything like the 106 GTi, they are quick. My valver got passed like it wasnt moving! Dead even when i whacked an F7R in there though..

The 106 GTi vs Valver has been covered before..

I Abliterated a 106 gti last night, was short shifting too lol. flew past him, my passenger said his face was a picture as if to say "wtf have i hit 5th or something" lol

richy
31-12-2007, 14:46
the 1.6 version is a 8v about 105bhp, but in a very light car

think they do 0-60 in about 8.3sec and 0-100 in about 26sec, but we all know paper figures dont mean everything as engines can vary alot!

jamesy
31-12-2007, 17:34
ive had a 1.3 and a 1.6 rallye,they wont beat a valver above 60,mite beat them off the lights tho as ther are quick from 0-60 ish.

number1
31-12-2007, 18:02
Ive raced a 1.3 it lost big time and a cammed 1.6 in a 1.8 and had that easy enough, that was quicker than a gti tho.. corners there awesome!

Yamaha_YzF-R1
01-01-2008, 14:34
So you say chat the rallye or gti peugeots aren't quicker than the valver? standard cars of course...

Yamaha_YzF-R1
01-01-2008, 14:36
So you say chat the rallye or gti peugeots aren't quicker than the valver? standard cars of course...
Not chat, but that.. stupid keyboard..

105epwr
01-01-2008, 16:33
my work mate had a mk2 rally he sed he kept with a 172 up to about 100mph but after that it pulled away from him like he was stood
as for 16v vs rally i think depends on the drivers+ i would say the same around the track aswell thats just me tho.. :?:

Daz.
01-01-2008, 16:48
I'd fancy a rallye beating a valver over A to B after driving both

If your after straight line speed then yeh the valver would have it after a certain speed...

number1
01-01-2008, 16:58
Theres a video of a 16v Rallye chasing a williams around cadwell on youtube...

Most 106 gti's are valver pace but some are fast and some are slow...

richy
01-01-2008, 17:17
Theres a video of a 16v Rallye chasing a williams around cadwell on youtube...

Most 106 gti's are valver pace but some are fast and some are slow...

thats zollos std williams vs a gti engined striped caged and slick shod rallye, not quite std to std lol

doug2.0
01-01-2008, 18:04
yeah looks hairy at times in the clio, back ends out all over the shop, guy in the pug looked as though hed got a lil excited after he passed him too, thought he was gonna lose it at that next bend lol
good vid tho enjoyed it,
theres some kid at the tech college i go to with a red 1.3 rallye he was all up my arse when i was in the polo (1.0l) for no reason, trying to get me to race or summat, cant wait to see his face when i pull up in the willy next week. :twisted:

Yamaha_YzF-R1
02-01-2008, 12:27
So, in general, from everything you have written, you want to say that in a straight line racing the clio is faster, but in corners the 106 is better?

Taylor
02-01-2008, 12:48
looking back direct comparison the 172 is quicker than my old rallye
but then my 172 was shed loads quicker than the valver so id say the rallye is quicker than a valver

richy
02-01-2008, 13:19
going off book times the valver std to std is faster from 0-100, but you always get good and bad engines in any car,

on the twisties tbh it would be hard to seperate them, it would most likely be down to driver abilities as to who comes out on top.

if you supercharged a 1.6 rallye with obvious internal upgrades if required you would be laughing as its still light as! :lol:

Yamaha_YzF-R1
02-01-2008, 13:22
I see, it's really a great comparison ;)
BTW, there is something I don't understand - what is a "17poo" :) I see you write it quite a lot and was wondering what is that...

Taylor
02-01-2008, 13:27
a clio 17 2
but when you type it as one the spam filter changes it to 172

richy
02-01-2008, 13:35
lol yeah someone changed the word filter!

Yamaha_YzF-R1
02-01-2008, 13:46
oooohh I see now 10x

J o n
02-01-2008, 14:40
looking back direct comparison the 17poo is quicker than my old rallye
but then my 17poo was shed loads quicker than the valver so id say the rallye is quicker than a valver

your old 172 was, new one's yet to be tested. oh, your old 172 is also faster than an Allroad 2.7TT which was a little surprising... but it also got smoked by Bex's RSI lol

1995clio16v
02-01-2008, 23:10
Why would anyone ever even consider buying a peugeot hot hatch.

Theyre total dog-shit (IMO)

Theyve never done anything decent at all since the 205 gti de-ceased.

The 206gti is a total joke, a bad excuse for a hot hatch.

Rant over!

:D

Dan_mk1
03-01-2008, 12:31
So the 106 rallye+GTI and the 306gti6+rallye were dog poo? Your off your rocker! Granted after that they lost their way but the above mentioned are some of the best hot hatches of all time!

number1
03-01-2008, 13:03
I think that dans right, not a lot of people know how great a clio 16v or williams is and automatically think for pug gti's and apart from the newer range of the pugs i do like them, if i didnt have a clio id have a 106 gti/rallye

Dave

1995clio16v
03-01-2008, 13:14
GTi 6!! :shock:

Not a fan at all.

Thats only imo though Dan.

Maybe 106 rallye yes (which tbh honest i do actually like), but anything after the 205 GTi doesnt do it for me im afraid.

Btw, there were two versions of 106 rallye's werent there???

One before the 106 gti and then one that was the shape of the 106 gti, it went kind of bug eyed...whats the difference between the two..?

:D

Daz.
03-01-2008, 13:52
I thought the 205 was pants to drive! much preferred the rallye (I do adore the looks of a mint original 205 though)..

Like the GTI-6 muchly and I like the 307! mock if you will but look at one properly and they're nice cars

u33db
03-01-2008, 14:09
I like the 307! mock if you will but look at one properly and they're nice cars

:shock:

titcharoony
03-01-2008, 15:20
might be going off topic a little but the 16v has gotta be the most underrated hothatch ever.

DaveH
03-01-2008, 15:21
looking back direct comparison the 17poo is quicker than my old rallye
but then my 17poo was shed loads quicker than the valver so id say the rallye is quicker than a valver

your old 17poo was, new one's yet to be tested. oh, your old 17poo is also faster than an Allroad 2.7TT which was a little surprising... but it also got smoked by Bex's RSI lol

Its not surprising really as the allroad 2.7 is a very heavy car (heavier than A8 in fact as theyre ally) and theyre a substantially detuned version of the s4 engine- they are by far the quickest (old shape) allroad though lol The rsi on the other hand is surprising! Unless it had been tinkered with of course :wink:

On another note- i really like the 106 rallye but have no idea about performance!

1995clio16v
03-01-2008, 15:38
might be going off topic a little but the 16v has gotta be the most underrated hothatch ever.

Nobody actually seems to know what 16v's are.

People who arent in the know i.e idiots :wink: just think your some bodykitted up clio thats trying to be a williams.

Classic example - I have a mate whos 35 and he always says

'Leigh, who thinks he has a williams - why doesnt he just go and buy one' :roll:

For ****s sake! Pisses me off!

Little do people know the performance is of similar standard

:D

1995clio16v
03-01-2008, 15:39
And would I also be right in saying the 16v was the foundation for a williams and the williams was sort of born out of the 16v....?

:D :o :D :o :D :o

Now theres a theory!

:wink:

drsmith1979
03-01-2008, 15:54
now now dont get ahead of yourself there danny boy, we all know the williams was crafted out of the very brimstone and fire which created the worlds continents.... 8)

think of it like 'Twins' - The willy is obviously Arnie, and the valver is definitely Danny DeVito..... :o

titcharoony
03-01-2008, 16:14
haha. i guess the williams has a certain kudos the 16v doesnt to the general public. they only know the gold wheels and blue skin. in a way that plays to the 16vers favour. its the car no once suspects...muuuuwwwahahaha!
i think its becuase the williams was such a success when it came it it perhaps just overshadowed the 16v. hey, williams owners get a bit of that too. i forget the amount of times ive heard, 'yeh the williams might be a 2ltr, but its only the 1.8 bored out'....hmm.

BGHayabusa
03-01-2008, 16:37
my clio ph1 16V vs peugeot 106 1.6 16V 120hp + chip. YaMaHa kaji im 4e moito reno togava beshe mnogo zle oshte kato go kupih.beshe s iznosen saedinitel i drugi problemi.i az ne mojeh da go karam

http://www.vbox7.com/play:c2e99e82 :lol:

Yamaha_YzF-R1
03-01-2008, 18:25
my clio ph1 16V vs peugeot 106 1.6 16V 120hp + chip. YaMaHa kaji im 4e moito reno togava beshe mnogo zle oshte kato go kupih.beshe s iznosen saedinitel i drugi problemi.i az ne mojeh da go karam

http://www.vbox7.com/play:c2e99e82 :lol:
Ok ei sega shte im pisha. hayabusa wants me to translate: this is his clio 16v when he bought it and then it was in very poor condition(the clutch was almost gone and it hed other problems) and he couldn't drive it very well then.

doug2.0
03-01-2008, 18:44
doesnt look like its doing too bad, looks as though it didnt win??

'' i think its becuase the williams was such a success when it came it it perhaps just overshadowed the 16v. hey, williams owners get a bit of that too. i forget the amount of times ive heard, 'yeh the williams might be a 2ltr, but its only the 1.8 bored out'....hmm.''

how can the Williams be overshadowed by the 16v? that doesnt make sense at all!
and it might be the same lump but its not just bored out, what about the different cams? higher limiter etc.
the Williams is undoubtedly a lot better car.

let me put it in perspective its like the Williams is Michelle marsh and the valver is paris Hilton, Michelle has the wider (t)rack, more sex appeal, more power, and tastier interior ;-) i know which id rather be in :lol:

richy
03-01-2008, 19:28
think u have mis read what he said doug2.0!

i think also because its just called a clio 16v no-one really thinks about it, if they had called it a clio GT or GTI maybe it would be more noticed

btw i had someone tell me that the williams and 16v b/e's are identical just the shape of the head makes it 2.0

titcharoony
03-01-2008, 19:41
exactly, uve completely misunderstood me lol. what i was saying is that, i too get alot of people not knowing about my car, (williams) telling me its just a bored out 1.8 - clearly they have no idea. like people thinking the williams is MASSIVELY different, and 16vers are wannabe williamites. not true, that the point i was making.
And i never said the 16v overshadowed the williams, i said it was the other way around. and i agree with the point the 16v didnt mean much to folks. clio GT clio RS probably would have done better.

doug2.0
03-01-2008, 19:42
ah yeah i read it as ''such a success when it came it is perhaps just overshadowed by the 16v''

because of the double 'its' lol. aaaannnnnyyyywaaaaayyyyyy :roll:

i thought my comparison was good anyway :lol:

Bailey_1260
03-01-2008, 20:48
lol. Iv had people up in my face after the whole

"nice williams rep mate what is it 1.4?"

"no mate its a 1.8 16v, it came before the williams was even thought about"

"shut up they didnt make a 1.8"...... :roll:

seanofnp
03-01-2008, 21:39
I love people who say "is that your clio with the williams bonnet and wings?"

No, all them ****ers with williams's have my 16vs front end! Slags! ;)

1995clio16v
03-01-2008, 22:18
Turned into a nice thread this has!!

Id love to know what renault themselves think of all the hot hatches theyve produced over the years.

I.e their top 10

IMO and it really isnt a biased one because I own a renault, but renault do make THE BEST hot hatched and always have done.

Old golf gti's were fantastic, especially the mark II's, but not keen on current ones
Peugeots and their old 205 gtis's not keen on any current ones

Renault just seem to tick along nicely. Even that twat clarkson remarked on how he liked the 182 when he drove it so must they (renault) be doing something right....

:lol: :lol:

doug2.0
03-01-2008, 22:30
i agree in my eyes there the only ones who have stayed true to the idea of a hothatch, without making the modern ones too big and boaty.

if you think of the other main manufacturers not many come close

ford- some okay ones in the past but build quality and performance have let them down with the rs's and cosworths bieng the only decent ones produced

vauxhall- gsi's werent too bad but all the ones ive been in have bbeen really tatty due to cheapness

peugeot- started off well but trailed off in last 10 years

vw- mk1 gti was quick and small but mk 2 is tank like and not all that quick
none of the rest are true hothatches really, too big heavy and usually the lumps are not made the most of.

citroen - saxo vts is the only notable one

suppose toyota have made some quick cars but nothing iconic

with renault youve got history, style and performance

5 gordini
5 turbo
5 turbo 2
megane coupe
clio valver
19 valver
williams
172
182
197
225

i love em lol

:D

titcharoony
03-01-2008, 23:28
driven novas, citroens, astra gsi, fiesta turbo, pug 205gti, and now a williams. my fave was my r5 turbo though. true hot hatch.

1995clio16v
04-01-2008, 00:09
astra gsi

dont know the mark, but do you mean a sort of l/m reg age?

quite like those.

all totally shagged now though when you see them.

would quite like a drive in one. quick?

seem to remember reading goodish reviews on them but seem to remember the reviews saying that the power was just too much for the chassis to handle..

a lad i used to work with a BMW had one and he put turbo in it. It was just shy of 300bhp but it was always off the road, its was never running, as soon as he got it running it just went again.

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-01-2008, 12:35
Mates, I have driven an opel vectra/vauxhall cavalier gsi 150 bhp, and it's quite fast - with 3 persons inside inclooding me, I managed to get a 0-60 in 8.81 and that was my first ever run with the car. GSis are quick but the clio is quicker ;) a valver for example in stock condition is quicker than this gsi that I have driven. It's true that the gsi is 1300kg and the valver is about a ton, but the power is different too. I asked you about this peugeot 106 because soon I will have enough money to buy my own car and I'm looking for the best choise in price and performance stats because I dont want a luxiory car, I want a fast car! for 2 and a half years I'm driving my fathers clio 1.2 and it's not quite fast! :)

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 13:23
yeah the astra gsi red top i think 150bhp anyway, are pretty quick. i raced one in my old r5 turbo, and i wud say r5 had it up to say 60 then the gsi wud creep up, and eventually the r5 wud run out of steam. the gsi i drove was pretty fast, just boring. astra gte is perhaps a little more fun. 2/0 16v? apprently very very quick

1995clio16v
04-01-2008, 13:30
astra gte is perhaps a little more fun. 2/0 16v? apprently very very quick

My favourite vauxhall hot hatch of all time.

Non around now like, total rust buckets!!?

Figures for these on paper are very impressive iirc. Not sure whether the 8v was quicker though...

Mint and i mean mint vauxhall nova's are nice, gsi's (totally standard for me tho). I always have a second look when i see mint ones of these.

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 14:05
i cudnt agree more. my first car was a nova sr 1.4 (pre-cat). 1 owner, 32,000 miles, full vauxhall service history, electric blue, mint, no rust, absolute beauty. the ova was always a great looking car, and i loved how mine drove, it was just a shame boy racers ruined the novas rep really. gsi i cud take or leave.
as for the astra gte, yes they were supposed to by extremely fast, and came with quite a few extras, and had a digital dash and speedo i think...i know a guy whos got a std one, mint in black, never drives it though. oh how one day i'd love to open up a retro garage, just selling mint 80's n 90's hot hatches. :)

drsmith1979
04-01-2008, 14:24
the astra gte 2.0 16v is an animal of an engine, a little bit of fettling and you have a real track weapon! problem is rust, and handling isnt too amazing with the rear beam set up and the overall size and weight of the car. it indeed had a full digi dash, very knight rider!

to be honest, if i were to buy a track car, i think i would base it on the astra gte as its great fun at peanut prices!

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 14:31
rae as rocking horse poo too

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-01-2008, 14:37
Now, let's not get carried away :) the discussion was about the peugeot 106

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 14:46
oh them? theyre rubbish. ;)

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-01-2008, 15:43
oh them? theyre rubbish. ;)
Why?? i wouldn't say rubbish, actually they look very neat and are fast too

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 15:51
im just kidding. not my choice of car to be honest, a bit too plain, a bit too ordinary, slightly girly and lacks kudos other equivalent cars might have. true, they are quick, and they handle well, but theyre a bit like the saxo for me (yes i know theyre very similar) - you dont feel like you're in anything special. maaaaaybe the original 1.3 rallye has a certain something. but there are lots of subarus at 4grand, a similar price for some mint williams. but despite the scooby probably being a good deal faster std for std, i know which 4k car id want to be driving - and thats y im on here! ;)
as for the speed thing, a 1.6 rallye would no doubt give a 16v a run for its money, but look at the 16v, beautiful lil car isnt it. great turbine wheels aswell. comfy, and its special too. 16v all the way for me. peugoet 205 gti was the only pug id want to own n drive. valvers rule! anyway off my soapbox i come.

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-01-2008, 16:05
true that... I've made up my mind - a clio 16v it will be! the only reason I was confused by the 106 because it was newer than the clio mk1 and provided almost the same performance, but when u look at the bodykit of the clio, well I want to drive the older car :)

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 18:41
indeed. its ur choice, and im sure the pug are great little cars too, but u get a bigger engine, comfier seats, nice dials and gauges to make you feel like a rally king, and THAT bonnet bulge. we all love the bulge haha.

seanofnp
04-01-2008, 18:52
Id love a 106 gti.

They are very cheap cheeky cars which handle well...

I wouldnt sell the clio for one, but i would have one if it came up cheapy cheap and probably slag it up for the girlfriend to play with on track/show. :)

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 18:58
exactly, its the car ud want ur missus to own. ;) big man get 16v. :)

Andy P
04-01-2008, 19:12
Just to piss people off even more....

Ever driven a AX GT?

Quicker than a s1 rallye, and handle pretty well too :wink:

titcharoony
04-01-2008, 19:33
yup, drove a mates once. but i broke it. i think everyone did.

richy
04-01-2008, 19:33
yeah been in a AX GT before, wouldnt say there that fast though! oh saw what was left of it after it got stacked, put it this way my lunch box for work is bigger! lol

abit of work and the saxo vts/106 gti and s2 rallye can be pretty dam fast!

Daz.
04-01-2008, 23:36
yeah been in a AX GT before, wouldnt say there that fast though! oh saw what was left of it after it got stacked, put it this way my lunch box for work is bigger! lol

abit of work and the saxo vts/106 gti and s2 rallye can be pretty dam fast!

You can say that about most cars :wink:

Saw a black Focus ST today first one I've seen in black - me sooo wants to play with one those! 8) 8)

titcharoony
05-01-2008, 01:10
brother has driven a couple at work, says theyre very fast. he reckons he'd only have one in black though...

Yamaha_YzF-R1
05-01-2008, 10:10
I recently say a ST in blue with white stripes and it didn't look bad either

richy
05-01-2008, 15:54
e jsut sold a black focus ST at work, no stripes etc on it, and tbh it just looked like a normal focus with bigger alloys, they only really stand out in asbo orange!

doug2.0
07-01-2008, 18:14
yeah theres a blue one at work and it looks shite, and the chrome ST badge on the front wing is so tacky. ive parked the williams next to it a coupla times, and ive had a few people say theyd rather own mine than the ST. :lol:

Yamaha_YzF-R1
01-09-2008, 20:16
I will post here so I dont create a new topic - Have someone raced a Fiat Punto 1.4 GT?

richy
01-09-2008, 20:42
I will post here so I dont create a new topic - Have someone raced a Fiat Punto 1.4 GT?

all im gonna say is......


FIAT -- FPMSL :lol:

Oszy
02-09-2008, 12:54
Maybe this is OFF here, but to let you know, how much the valver and the Williams is unknown at Hungary, I tell you a short story :)

Once I had stayed at a trafic light, and some young boys (thitrteen? forteen? or maybe younger) saw my Williams and they saied to eachother:
" look mate! what a Subaru fake there!...."

:)))))))))))))))

from then on, in Hungary we say to eachoter(Williams owners), like: " How is your Subaru fake? "

:))))

rob-legend
02-09-2008, 18:16
peugeot 505 gti FTW! :lol:

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-09-2008, 10:16
Maybe this is OFF here, but to let you know, how much the valver and the Williams is unknown at Hungary, I tell you a short story :)

Once I had stayed at a trafic light, and some young boys (thitrteen? forteen? or maybe younger) saw my Williams and they saied to eachother:
" look mate! what a Subaru fake there!...."

:)))))))))))))))

from then on, in Hungary we say to eachoter(Williams owners), like: " How is your Subaru fake? "

:))))
:lol: Nice one mate! Are there many williams owners in hungary? :)

Oszy
04-09-2008, 10:37
Maybe this is OFF here, but to let you know, how much the valver and the Williams is unknown at Hungary, I tell you a short story :)

Once I had stayed at a trafic light, and some young boys (thitrteen? forteen? or maybe younger) saw my Williams and they saied to eachother:
" look mate! what a Subaru fake there!...."

:)))))))))))))))

from then on, in Hungary we say to eachoter(Williams owners), like: " How is your Subaru fake? "

:))))

4pcs

Williams 1 = 0441, 1356, 1984
Williams 2 = 1pcs ....mine :)))
:lol: Nice one mate! Are there many williams owners in hungary? :)

Oszy
04-09-2008, 10:37
sorry....
so:

4pcs

Williams 1 = 0441, 1356, 1984
Williams 2 = 1pcs ....mine ))

white16valver
04-09-2008, 11:05
Quite rare then...

lol

Yamaha_YzF-R1
04-09-2008, 20:50
in Bulgaria is even rearer :) 1 or 2 only :)

white16valver
05-09-2008, 09:02
That's the ultimate sleeper! lol

Wobba
05-09-2008, 11:43
driven novas, citroens, astra gsi, fiesta turbo, pug 205gti, and now a williams. my fave was my r5 turbo though. true hot hatch.

I have to agree. My favorite was my R5 Raider, mildly tuned it was, and a real firecracker. It felt fast, though I dont think it is as quick as the Williams I have now.