My naples....

[Clio-Girl]

Well after a lot of work here are some pics of the nearly finished Mikeymikewakeys old car which was bought as a rolling shell.
and dont worry the back will be made higher!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/Clio-girl/naples%201995%20hybrid/100_0813.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/Clio-girl/naples%201995%20hybrid/100_0812.jpg

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[richy]

very nice, what exhaust is that out of intrest?

[Clio-Girl]

very nice, what exhaust is that out of intrest?

its a mongoose full de-cat system i had to go for this one as it has the biggest bore i could find as my previous one was far too small!

[richy]

perfect im buying one in jan for my 16v, is the decat seperate or built onto the mid section?? :)

[Clio-Girl]

its seperate thank god as i need a cat by law now with this car my black valver was a 1991 so for years i didnt have to worry!

[richy]

thats good to know! i already have a scorpion decat but its abit battered tbh, thinking of swapping that too!

[1995clio16v]

its seperate thank god as i need a cat by law now with this car my black valver was a 1991 so for years i didnt have to worry!

Hi

Whats under the bonnet as we have been discussing this recently and I belive there may be valid ways around it!!??

Looks nice btw!

:o

[drsmith1979]

oooh ronal turbo's! very old school, suit the clio actually! much to all the VW lovers disgust haha

[richy]

its seperate thank god as i need a cat by law now with this car my black valver was a 1991 so for years i didnt have to worry!

Hi

Whats under the bonnet as we have been discussing this recently and I belive there may be valid ways around it!!??

Looks nice btw!

:o

there is, the emissions is tested to the year of the engine not car itself, if you can prove the engine is from pre 1992 then it wont need a cat, i asked a tester at our work ages ago about it, they have to check the emissions to the engine fitted

[1995clio16v]

its seperate thank god as i need a cat by law now with this car my black valver was a 1991 so for years i didnt have to worry!

Hi

Whats under the bonnet as we have been discussing this recently and I belive there may be valid ways around it!!??

Looks nice btw!

:o

there is, the emissions is tested to the year of the engine not car itself, if you can prove the engine is from pre 1992 then it wont need a cat, i asked a tester at our work ages ago about it, they have to check the emissions to the engine fitted

Hi mate. I just remember seeing some guy with a 16v wasnt pre 92, with a 172 engine in it and he said de-cat was legal as the car resembles nothing as renault standard issue so im unsure at to exact laws really....

[richy]

they defiantly have to test emission to the engine so i would of thought a 172 engine would need a cat, but im not a tester myself

[1995clio16v]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/300472.htm

dont know whether its bullshit, but this chap was a renault technician so maybe he's right....................!?

[richy]

i am aswell mate but im not a MOT tester so not 100% on the rules with emissions on engine swaps, i was told by one of our testers the car emissions has to be tested to the engine not the car,

i know richs old valver passed its emissions without a cat anyway lol mine didnt and is the same year/engine

[richy]

btw sorry for hi-jacking the thread clio-girl!

[drsmith1979]

well im sure technically, you are supposed to inform the DVLA when you change the engine size, so therefore logic would dictate the emissions are specific to the engine not the car. thus, you could find yourself invalidating your insurance and MOT if you havent informed them of the engine change...

i have changed my engine on my BMW's over the years and simply informed the DVLA, doesnt make much difference, its just when i had my emissions done the information they had online related to a 2.8 and not a 2.5 etc....

[Clio-Girl]

btw sorry for hi-jacking the thread clio-girl!
dont worry mate its an interesting read but mines a willy 1 engine so its after 1992 anyway.
just out of interest can cars after 1992 pass with a de-cat pipe then?

[richy]

richs old valver was a L reg 1993 like mine and his passed without a decat and even passed a roadside test, mine on the other hand wouldnt pass so had to fit cat!

[Clio-Girl]

bugger i might have to try and source a williams cat then

[number1]

The only difference i believe between a williams and a valver cat is the front flange being at a different angle...

if they go on engine code emissions test then surely us boys using megane bottom ends would be f****d?? the megane 2ltr has exhaust gas recirculation c**p on it to reduce emissions further.... :?

But then again, they didnt expect us to fit valver heads so surely there must be some kind of loophole as building the engine out of 2 Different parts (megane bottom end and valver head) would mean reno never made that engine?? that particular design?

Nice naples btw!

[Matty86]

If you put a 172 engine in, you're emissions exempt (well, tested at the lowest level like a ph1 valver) as the engine was never designed for this series of car! :D

if you're swapping engines from the same series, I think it carries the emissions test with it...


I imagine its how kit car etc get away without a cat...


for the record, the lad who did that 172 conversion was an ex reno tech - he's over on clio16v and williamsclio and I used to take my 16v to the garage he worked at

[dan-hipgrave]

Yeh exactly as above - the engine and car were never meant to go together so it gets the same emissions test as a kitcar. The levels for that are so high it will easily pass with a decat.

Nice car by the way - reminds me of my old hybrid a lot - i had the same wheels and cage!

Dan

[drsmith1979]

did anyone else here renditions of...

'get your naples out for the lads... geeeeet your naples out for the lads'

when you read the thread title and the user name?

[Clio-Girl]

lol maybe i should of thought of a different title!!!

[sl]

Enjoy your mongoose rattle :D best bit about it IMO

[stevie_b]

For your emissions test, as long as your vehicle was first used on the road before 1st August 1995 you should be okay. The VOSA emissions test flowchart that the MOT tester should be following would take them through a box for cars first used between 1/8/92 and 31/07/95 that next says 'can you find an exact match in the analyser database' and for an F7R-powered valver, as I believe you have (I think its got one of my old engines in it?), then the answer should be 'no'. The flowchart output for 'no' then instructs them to carry out a non-CAT test of CO <= 3.5% and HC <= 1200ppm. This contrasts with cars first used after 1st Aug 1995 where regardless of finding a match in the analyser database they are instructed to carry out a much more stringent 'CAT test' of CO < 0.5% and HC at fast idle <= 200 ppm.

[cliolord]

aww man thats gurt lush, i want a naples now :shock:

[Matty86]

For your emissions test, as long as your vehicle was first used on the road before 1st August 1995 you should be okay. The VOSA emissions test flowchart that the MOT tester should be following would take them through a box for cars first used between 1/8/92 and 31/07/95 that next says 'can you find an exact match in the analyser database' and for an F7R-powered valver, as I believe you have (I think its got one of my old engines in it?), then the answer should be 'no'. The flowchart output for 'no' then instructs them to carry out a non-CAT test of CO <= 3.5% and HC <= 1200ppm. This contrasts with cars first used after 1st Aug 1995 where regardless of finding a match in the analyser database they are instructed to carry out a much more stringent 'CAT test' of CO < 0.5% and HC at fast idle <= 200 ppm.

so they wouldnt say "it's got a 2.0 engine like the williams, and its the same shell (mk1), so we'll test it as a williams?

[richy]

the chassis number and log book dont state its a williams though so its not classed as one

[drsmith1979]

**** it, dont tell them how are they going to know? haha

not sure they run engine numbers do they?

[stevie_b]

I'd leave it to them to worry about checking the engine numbers, but doubt they'd bother. I'd just tell them it is no longer a 1.8 F7P and now has a 2.0 F7R in it, as fitted to Meganes, for example. Don't point them in the direction of the Willy being basically identical to what you now have! They won't have anything on their database for a '2 litre Megane-engined Clio' so should test it with non-CAT rules as per their VOSA flowchart above. My tester reckons my car is under the 0.5% CO even without a cat anyway!

Has anyone failed an MOT emissions test with a de-cat in place that then got passed by putting the cat back on?

[Danno]

oooh ronal turbo's! very old school, suit the clio actually! much to all the VW lovers disgust haha

:agree: look nice

[Clio-Girl]

For your emissions test, as long as your vehicle was first used on the road before 1st August 1995 you should be okay. The VOSA emissions test flowchart that the MOT tester should be following would take them through a box for cars first used between 1/8/92 and 31/07/95 that next says 'can you find an exact match in the analyser database' and for an F7R-powered valver, as I believe you have (I think its got one of my old engines in it?), then the answer should be 'no'. The flowchart output for 'no' then instructs them to carry out a non-CAT test of CO <= 3.5% and HC <= 1200ppm. This contrasts with cars first used after 1st Aug 1995 where regardless of finding a match in the analyser database they are instructed to carry out a much more stringent 'CAT test' of CO < 0.5% and HC at fast idle <= 200 ppm.
was it you that so kindly sold me an engine in my hour of need and desperation?? if so i owe you big time!!

[Clio-Girl]

Enjoy your mongoose rattle :D best bit about it IMO
to be honest it doesnt really rattle that ive noticed but every other rattle on the car might out weigh the noise of the exhaust!!

[MAXIBOY]

Enjoy your mongoose rattle :D best bit about it IMO
to be honest it doesnt really rattle that ive noticed but every other rattle on the car might out weigh the noise of the exhaust!!

mine also. doesn,t rattle just took a little tweaking and some rally design uprated rubbers

[stevie_b]

was it you that so kindly sold me an engine in my hour of need and desperation?? if so i owe you big time!!

It was indeed. It took me ages to source my engine but then a few came along at once through the feelers that I had put out so I snapped them up. I was persuaded when your build came up that I wouldn't need two spares and should sell one. Yours was one of these:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/2stis/3f7rs.jpg

[Clio-Girl]

you were definatly a life saver otherwise my car could have been at angelworks a lot longer than it was!

I just want to say a BIG THANK YOU!!!!!

and out of interest what mileage did my engine have?

[stevie_b]

Do you know what the engine code is and I can look it up - I kept records of the details of each engine. They were all in the range of 50-60k, I was told. They all seemed genuine enough as they were standing as spare engines when I bought them - one off a guy with a Renaultsport Spider who was holding some as spares, one off an Ex Cup racer who also had it as a spare engine until he moved up to the later Clios.

[Eckascliovalver]

Ronal turbo's MMMMMmmmmmmm, very nice, would be my choice of wheels if i went mk1 again :D

[Tom16v]

Nice. Dare i say i prefered it black though.... :shock:

[Clio-Girl]

Nice. Dare i say i prefered it black though.... :shock:
your not the only one :( but she is a minter so i cant grumble!

[Tom16v]

Dont get me wrong it looks good. I normally love naples too but i've got a feeling the lighting in the pics is letting it down a bit. Black looked much meaner but who cares. If the shells mint thats all that matters. :)

[geesus]

im sure this was the rolling shell i was going to buy when looking for one, remember him advertising it

couldnt find the money fast enough in the end so missed out

looking good now :D

[Clio-Girl]

im sure this was the rolling shell i was going to buy when looking for one, remember him advertising it

couldnt find the money fast enough in the end so missed out

looking good now :D
this probably is the shell you were going to buy i got it for a complete steal of a price but its a minter rust wise just has a few body blemishes to sort out!

[Clio-Girl]

heres a few better pics the lighting is better!!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/Clio-girl/ST830011.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/Clio-girl/ST830010.jpg

[samboRT]

Love that, loose the cage.

:)

[Clio-Girl]

im hoping to put a 'proper rollcage' in it later in the year providing fundage allows!