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Tom16v
19-11-2007, 17:35
Went to see a BB converted valver on Sat. Kinda know the owner anyway and he's owned the car 5 years.

Its a 1996 Red Clio 16v
78k
Full BB low pressure turbo conversion with rebuild 25k ago. Costing 6k.
Sparco Reclinable buckets
17's (For traction)
Lowered on Springs
Side exit exhaust

It does have a rusty rear arch which looks like it may need to be cut out. Other than that its good nick.

Any ideas?!

drsmith1979
19-11-2007, 18:11
well let me be the first... the rust arch is a killer, so tell you what... i'll do you a favour and take it off your hands for £1500.... and thats really me doing you a favour 8)

Tom16v
19-11-2007, 18:19
Its not my car. Its a mates that i'm looking at buying. I'm looking for realistic opinions.

Tom16v
19-11-2007, 18:24
Couple of pics -

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/Tom_White/joblot123.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/Tom_White/joblot071.jpg

Tom16v
19-11-2007, 18:25
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/16vturbolee/a_479.jpg

Dan_mk1
19-11-2007, 19:04
2k?

Andy P
19-11-2007, 19:06
2k?

Bit of an insult really.....do it :P

Actually call it 1.5k due to the cliosport sticker next to the headlight :lol:

Andy P
19-11-2007, 19:07
Just realised it looks like a water mark :roll: :lol:

jamesy
19-11-2007, 20:38
do it. :P

Coops
19-11-2007, 21:06
i paid 4 for mine after 10k miles on the conversion, and it blew up! :oops:

but mines got a list of mods for the rest of the car a mile long aswell so around 2k?

drsmith1979
19-11-2007, 21:12
the whole BB tuning thing costing £6k is kind of imlpying your mate is going to be asking shed loads of money.....

without a sense of humour on here you wont last long, my £1500 wasn't and isn't too far from the mark.

Coops
19-11-2007, 21:25
disagree mate, a mint valver still goes for around 1200 1500 mark, problem is it marked down on this site as its a williams site.

VIPERONE
19-11-2007, 22:14
£2.5 tops.

it got mullered by a hybrid on here.. can remember who's it was

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 10:17
Right so we're thinking around the 2.5k mark. Dont think he'll be happy with that tbh.

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 10:18
Coops, what was the spec of yours for 4k?

Dan_mk1
20-11-2007, 12:45
What spec is it Tom? At the end of the day its a rusty arched 16v, lol. I know someone who payed a lot closer to the first price posted for a car nigh on similar spec...

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 12:58
Its just got a full BB turbo conversion with charge cooler, oil cooler. It had a full rebuild too 25k ago with the conversion. Williams gearbox, BB side exit exhaust, Lowered on just springs, sparco buckets, 78k, and thats pretty much it.

It was rr'd at 216bhp.

Clio-Girl
20-11-2007, 13:01
Tom just out of interest how much is he asking for it? is this the one that was going round weston for a bit?

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 13:03
He doesnt know. Yeah that'd be lee.

Clio-Girl
20-11-2007, 13:08
he must have a rough figure in his head that he wants for it i wouldnt pay anymore than 2k tops for it especially with a rusty arch! i dint think it ever looked that quick when he was booting it???

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 13:13
Its quick. I drove it on sat like i said. Its not mental though but then my glanza was 200bhp + and lighter.

Mechanically it seems very sound.

He's run some good 1/4's in it. He reckons he was going to do martin no worries on one run until his gearbox mount snapped...lol

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 13:16
It was this run i beleive -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60uvBr9HvW4

FlamingMonkey
20-11-2007, 13:42
I've beat it in my Williams at Pod, think he couldnt get the power down

16vturbolee or summat he was called

http://cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=153981

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 13:49
Yeah thats him. Yep he crashed it too but all was sorted. Been over it and its straight and alot was replaced.

J o n
20-11-2007, 14:30
I still dont understand why the conversion was 6k for only 216bhp from a turbo, I thought that was the high boost price? :shock:

Basically I'd break it down like this.

Vavler with exhaust, breathing mods and cheapo springs in an undesirable colour (at least to most) and rusting arches. So if it were a stock engined valver you'd pay what, £500-1000 tops? Engine may have cost £6k, but it's worth nothing like. I'm guessing the engine is standard and it's just a low boost conversion, so cheapo turbo, cheapy charge cooler, manifold, map sensor and something like an ECU-Tek chip or whatever?

£3k tops imo

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 15:06
Because he opted for a full rebuild at the time too. Also he's got an oil cooler.

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 15:07
Oh and its a garret t28, pace charge cooler, etc not exactly cheapo parts.

Lunner
20-11-2007, 15:29
Forgive Jesus, hes got a way with words, or not lol......sure hes in training to be the next stromba

Tom16v
20-11-2007, 17:22
Its a good motor. The bit of rust is the only downfall and by the sounds of things after chatting then he may be able to get that sorted so that'd leave it a nice condition turbo valver...

Its neigh on impossible to price.

He's asked me to put it on pistonheads for offers to see what gets offered. I think its a good idea.

J o n
20-11-2007, 19:52
Forgive Jesus, hes got a way with words, or not lol......sure hes in training to be the next Rob Barrington

just call it as I see it youth, no point mincing words. it's not like it's a for sale thread anyway ;)

jay s
20-11-2007, 19:56
id pay no more than 2k. Bass Direct brought one nearly the same spec ( dont think it has rust tho ) and he payed £1400-£1500. his is running 200bhp i think.....

J o n
20-11-2007, 20:00
id pay no more than 2k. Bass Direct brought one nearly the same spec ( dont think it has rust tho ) and he payed £1400-£1500. his is running 200bhp i think.....

in which case I've overestimated the value if thats what they go for... the rebuild I'd guess it just minor refresh and pistons machined to low comp, if it was fully forged, L&B etc it may go for a decent price?

Coops
20-11-2007, 20:14
iirc bass' isnt a BB one tho, its a prima which go for less as in all fairness its a bit of a shoddy stick 4 million injectors in it conversion. not 100% sure if bass' is that tho?

Coops
20-11-2007, 20:15
basically price it same as you would if it had t/b's and ran the same power! :wink:

jay s
20-11-2007, 20:25
bass's one is a k-tec conversion and he has recipts for around £9000 on the engine alone :lol:

Coops
20-11-2007, 21:01
:shock: fook me, and its not even low comp!i thought reciepts for mine were a rip off! :lol:

bass_direct
20-11-2007, 21:08
9k receipts on the whole car mine is..


5k for engine, which was turbo conversion, brand new t25 turbo, pace charge cooler, head rebuild, etc etc

other 4k is for bits and bobs..

freebone16v
20-11-2007, 21:11
interesting read this

bass_direct
20-11-2007, 21:15
i got mine cheap cos i really got him down on the price, the turbo was on the way out though, and the head gasket has just gone too...


but i reckon anything around 2k-2.7k is reasonable.

midge
20-11-2007, 21:49
bass got a bargain, imo i would pay 2k for the one at the top, thats what its worth, same as bass's 2k.

Laine_16v
21-11-2007, 00:06
Bass's went bang too :D

J o n
21-11-2007, 10:13
basically price it same as you would if it had t/b's and ran the same power! :wink:

ITB's are reliable though and more attractive option to most I'd have thought.

Guess it depends on the spec

MAXIBOY
21-11-2007, 19:22
turbo,s are also reliable 100% when built properly and have a far greater potential then itb,s

Coops
21-11-2007, 19:24
ai, engine is only as reliable as it is built and maintained and turbo is good for more power, altho tbh above a certain level its all about braggin rights rather than useable power! :lol:

MAXIBOY
21-11-2007, 19:27
yes but loads of factory cars run turbo,s without issue. only unreliable due to poor workmanship maintenance or just to much boost...

Coops
21-11-2007, 19:31
ai mate, thats what am sayin, am agreeing with you! 8) all engines are only as reliable as the initial build and ongoing maintenance of the engine, no matter what they are, n/a or forced. martins spun the pullies when craig had it, mine popped the h/g, its swings n roundabouts!

MAXIBOY
21-11-2007, 19:33
sure is but turbo,s are defiantly more tunable if your after big power and torque..

J o n
22-11-2007, 10:09
turbo,s are also reliable 100% when built properly and have a far greater potential then itb,s

yeah when built properly... think that's half the problem tbh, too many stories of turbo'd Clio's blowing up over the years makes me sceptical. Martin's span a pulley or whatever, but I know that car from when it was built (when Mehdi originally did it) and it was a rush botched job in the first place, so no real surprise. Bottom end next for it.

Bigger power like you say, but not for me in a FWD Clio

Tom16v
22-11-2007, 11:00
To be fair lee's has been run for 25k with no problems. Just a few mounts but thats to be expected. He's taken it on track, down the 1/4 etc

Tom16v
23-11-2007, 10:35
Think this is out of my price range anyway. Lee's looking for around4.5k i think now..

geznay
23-11-2007, 13:34
4.5k!! :shock:

Coops
23-11-2007, 15:34
way overpriced :lol:

Martin
25-11-2007, 15:41
I sold mine for 3550 it had a wee bit of rust on the rear arch ..... I'm not into turbo's really but i'd say 2-3k is the ballpark....

When he ran it i never saw it crack more than 99mph terminal... :?