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Laine_16v
02-09-2007, 22:57
Ok,

Im unlucky my hybrid has broken in under 24 hours of ownership in a nasty way.

My engine gently let go this morning, having a quick blast with Gaz on the way to trax, pull up to a junction on the main road and the car feels lumpy....its running on 3 cylinders.

Much head scratching later we cant sort it, the injector is firing (the RAC confirmed it with a little light bulb thin), and there is a spark, all dizzy and rotor checked.

He then revved it, at 3000rpm the engine gives off a slight clattering its not loud but it is there.

Ive chatted to many people about it so its time to place your bets before the engine is cracked apart.

Cliolord - Piston slap, BE failure
Nyk - Failed follower
Ron - dropped valve
Craig - piston/valve damage
Midge - Headgasket

BANZAI!
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MAXIBOY
02-09-2007, 23:03
hope it nothing major. but piston damaged sounds right.
jay s
02-09-2007, 23:46
:cry: sorry to hear about this mate. i was speaking to cliolord earlier and when he told me low compression on cylinder 3 and piston slap i said headgasket so im gonna stick with that, if its worst case and turns out to be bottom end then get hold of a low milage 2.0 meg bottomend and use that ( then get cliolord to sort it for free as his such a nice lad :wink: )
jay s
03-09-2007, 00:17
http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25443
Purple
03-09-2007, 00:45
If you are not losing power, and the lumpiness goes away when you rev it. It might not be anything too serious. I 'd guess it's a head/valve related issue from the clattering.
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 06:37
I am losing power lol, its painfully shite to drive like it is!
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 06:53
My bet is on the headgasket.
VIPERONE
03-09-2007, 11:31
spun a bearing.

seriously may well be a head gasket.. if i could hear or drive it i would diagnose it properly/.
eternalife
03-09-2007, 12:01
spun a bearing.

seriously may well be a head gasket.. if i could hear or drive it i would diagnose it properly/.

Laine,

Get a vid+sound recording done.
Bonnet Up + RPM Visible on the camera..
Might give the ones in the know a better understanding of problem.
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 17:43
Ok here are some vids.

Can i stress the camera makes the engine sound dreadful!!

Its really not bad at all, the engine when revved actually sounds healthy apart from it missing on a cylinder, theres no nocking, rattling e.t.c anymore

If you listen to the starter motor you can hear it speed up every cycle, i think this is down to compression loss in 1 cylinder and thats whats cuasing it.

a dropped valve...? Defo compression.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/?action=view&current=Video000.flv

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/?action=view&current=Video001.flv

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/laine_16v/?action=view&current=Video002.flv
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 17:54
Also some of the more observant among you might notice one of the injector plugs is off.

It made no difference if it was on or off, still ran the same, so removed to save petrol!

YEs there is signal at the plug.
DaveH
03-09-2007, 20:06
Big end damage
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 20:13
Big end damage

Can i ask you what makes you think that?
stan
03-09-2007, 21:19
I wouldnt say its bearing damage...e.g big ends. 1) would be noisey as hell or 2) wouldnt run.

Thats a definate misfire from lock of compression. I would remove cam cover to check cam condition/operation. If the cam is fine, I would say valve damage...
Coops
03-09-2007, 21:34
erm, call me silly but it ran like this before aaron fixed it, the piper pullies had slipped to max retard or whatever and it ran like shite, its possible they have slipped again?
MAXIBOY
03-09-2007, 21:43
hmmm...... iasked this also on clio 16valver. be my first port of call
Daz.
03-09-2007, 21:50
I'd say its your tyre - sounds underinflated
























Okay I have no idea - sorry :oops:
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 22:14
Pulleys wouldnt cause these symptoms.

Nevermind looks like its being shipped off to APD for inspection and repair.
Coops
03-09-2007, 22:30
whip the cam cover off for a nosey 1st mate to be sure, its worth a look see
Laine_16v
03-09-2007, 22:42
whip the cam cover off for a nosey 1st mate to be sure, its worth a look see

Yup will do that tommorow :)
Coops
03-09-2007, 22:44
8)
stan
03-09-2007, 22:51
if the cam timing slipped...yes it would run like shit. It wouldnt drop the compression on one cylinder though....
Coops
03-09-2007, 22:55
surely AA man wud of checked compression tho to confirm? he did when mine went, i told him H/G death, n he checked comp to confirm?
Laine_16v
04-09-2007, 00:22
surely AA man wud of checked compression tho to confirm? he did when mine went, i told him H/G death, n he checked comp to confirm?

Lol nope didnt do a compression check, did spark and injector and revved it, was like "Bottom end is ****ed"

:lol:
Purple
04-09-2007, 02:34
:shock: That screeching/rubbing noise at the end of the third video don't sound good at all.
Laine_16v
04-09-2007, 06:43
:shock: That screeching/rubbing noise at the end of the third video don't sound good at all.

There isnt any, its just wind noise or genereal noise because the phone recording it is crap
Purple
04-09-2007, 07:06
Whew! Glad to know that. That noise would give me nightmares, if it happened to my car.

Hope you sort out the car cheap.
Laine_16v
04-09-2007, 13:53
whip the cam cover off for a nosey 1st mate to be sure, its worth a look see

Just taken the rocker cover off, everything underneath looks spot on, you can tell its been rebuilt at some point in its life its cleaner than a lot of them i have seen.

THe pulleys look fine but i cant tell if they have slipped because i need to look from the other side but getting the side cam cover off is a mare.

So not exploded cam's or pulleys :P
Laine_16v
07-09-2007, 13:29
HGF

Cylinders 1 & 2 = 60 Psi
Cylinders 3 + 4 = 150 and 170 Psi
wazza16v
07-09-2007, 13:46
not too sad then?

i bet you wished i got it now :P
Laine_16v
07-09-2007, 13:49
Nah its cool, im glad its not a damaged head or bottom end.

Will have it back by the end of next week all being well :D
summeh
07-09-2007, 16:28
my guess was right then eh :wink: least its something easy mate. make sure you get it skimmed this time.
Laine_16v
12-09-2007, 21:33
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5530/hgbc6.jpg
number1
12-09-2007, 22:00
I knew it! bet your relived mate, get the head skimmed and a decent gasket on there

I won a bet hey hey

Dave
Daz.
12-09-2007, 22:10
Leccy tape!
Laine_16v
13-09-2007, 07:53
I knew it! bet your relived mate, get the head skimmed and a decent gasket on there

I won a bet hey hey

Dave

Yes. Done and done mate :wink: